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As a slight aside: does anyone know when the next book in the series will come out? I normally wouldn't be asking such a thing so soon after the last one, but the man's output has been absurdly fast.

TLDW: DAW wanted him to finish the series in one final sixth book. Said book was to be short and would only be published as a trade paperback. Ruocchio said no and they thankfully parted ways. Baen stepped in and agreed to give the series the finish it deserved and in hardback. Unfortunately this means the next book won't be till first spring 2024 (March or April). However, Baen allows anyone to buy the advance reader copies of books, meaning one will be able to get the ebook version several months in advance.

The take away I get from this is DAW is shit and you shouldn't buy from them. I can't even fathom wrapping everything up in one final novel, let alone a short one. I don't know what the profitability of sun eater has been, but if what Ruocchio says is true; then he double the size of his reader base last year. I'm willing to bet there was some liberal politicking going on at DAW about giving a white male catholic author resources and investment, instead of some gender queer type. At least now I know my dollars will be going to both an author and a company who deserve them.
 
I'll say this, the books are very well written and largely entertaining. However, I'm not sure how many more ways Ruocchio can run Marlowe through the emotional and physical thresher. Saying anymore would be a spoiler for what is a good new book.

As a slight aside: does anyone know when the next book in the series will come out? I normally wouldn't be asking such a thing so soon after the last one, but the man's output has been absurdly fast.

It was part of the announcement from Baen: Book 6, Disquiet Gods, comes out Spring 2024. Likely with Book 7 within a year of that.

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TLDW: DAW wanted him to finish the series in one final sixth book. Said book was to be short and would only be published as a trade paperback. Ruocchio said no and they thankfully parted ways. Baen stepped in and agreed to give the series the finish it deserved and in hardback. Unfortunately this means the next book won't be till first spring 2024 (March or April). However, Baen allows anyone to buy the advance reader copies of books, meaning one will be able to get the ebook version several months in advance.

The take away I get from this is DAW is shit and you shouldn't buy from them. I can't even fathom wrapping everything up in one final novel, let alone a short one. I don't know what the profitability of sun eater has been, but if what Ruocchio says is true; then he double the size of his reader base last year. I'm willing to bet there was some liberal politicking going on at DAW about giving a white male catholic author resources and investment, instead of some gender queer type. At least now I know my dollars will be going to both an author and a company who deserve them.

The sell through rates on Ruocchio's first two books is at 100 percent - something that simply doesn't happen in publishing anymore.

Hardcovers go for $200 now, and DAW's steadfast refusal to print more is in utter defiance of good buisiness.

And Ruocchio might be too nice to say it, but political bullshit absolutely had a hand in it. DAW being broke doesn't help, but an author that sells as well as he does, as young as he is, and as productive as he is, they should be hanging onto for dear life.

The only reason you wouldn't? Because you don't want a white male Roman Catholic working for you. And its a small buisiness - looking at the few people DAW's new Chinese overlords are keeping around or hiring, its ideological cat ladies all the way down. Thier new editor in chief, Navah Wolfe, was one of the biggest lefties at Tor.

So Baen Books and Christopher Ruocchio will get to laugh themselves to the bank. Which is why I love Baen as much as I do, and so should you.

Toss in that Baen is the rare trad publisher turning a profit, and one wonders what other authors they might poach from thier rivals putting ideology before profit.

They've been really clever with thier author pickups the past year or two - going after guys who out out high quality stuff burned by thier publishers, hot indies, or longtime genre stalwarts. There's some talk they've been charming one or two big names too.

Frankly, I'd love to see what Baen could do with the amount of resources Tor gets to play with.
 
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That reminds me I need to publish something on RoyalRoad just to test out the discoverability.
Is it still strictly gamelit and fantasy?
Not strictly per se. They'll take anything and everything, but the audience is overwhelmingly biased toward gamelit and certain types of fantasy (isekai, wuxia cultivation, etc.) That said, the discoverability is better than a lot of other sites.
 
The sell through rates on Ruocchio's first two books is at 100 percent - something that simply doesn't happen in publishing anymore.

Hardcovers go for $200 now, and DAW's steadfast refusal to print more is in utter defiance of good buisiness.

And Ruocchio might be too nice to say it, but political bullshit absolutely had a hand in it. DAW being broke doesn't help, but an author that sells as well as he does, as young as he is, and as productive as he is, they should be hanging onto for dear life.

The only reason you wouldn't? Because you don't want a white male Roman Catholic working for you. And its a small buisiness - looking at the few people DAW's new Chinese overlords are keeping around or hiring, its ideological cat ladies all the way down. Thier new editor in chief, Navah Wolfe, was one of the biggest lefties at Tor.

So Baen Books and Christopher Ruocchio will get to laugh themselves to the bank. Which is why I love Baen as much as I do, and so should you.

I don't know anything about publishing, is there any chance that at some point the first 5 books in the series will go from being published by DAW to being published by Baen? Or is that not how this kind of thing usually works?
 
I don't know anything about publishing, is there any chance that at some point the first 5 books in the series will go from being published by DAW to being published by Baen? Or is that not how this kind of thing usually works?

DAW probably has a window before the rights revert to Ruocchio, though Baen could buy them off early (should DAW be willing to sell them).

How long that window is? I don't have specifics.
 
DAW probably has a window before the rights revert to Ruocchio, though Baen could buy them off early (should DAW be willing to sell them).

How long that window is? I don't have specifics.

Okay thanks! I only ask because I keep hearing good things about the Sun Eater series and eventually I want to dive into it. I would definitely rather give my money to Baen than DAW. Right now I still have a huge pile of unread books to get through. Maybe in a year or two they will be on Baen.

Also, I don't want to get my hopes up but it does feel like kind of a whitepill that Ruocchio left DAW for Baen. Maybe SFF is turning a corner and with big trad publisher like Baen along with small press like DMR and indy stuff like Cirvosa, SFF is kind of rebuilding a new culture after the old one was destroyed.
 
In other news, HarperCollins on strike are still at it with day 58.

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The big news is that HarperCollins has come to the table, which was back on the 26th (day 56).

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This caused a press release via google docs. Archive

Contact: Olga Brudastova, President, Local 2110 UAW
Cellphone: 646-715-5751
Email: olgabrudastova@2110uaw.org

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

HarperCollins Agrees to Enter Mediation with the Union, but Will They Settle Fairly?

January 26, 2023, New York, NY__ HarperCollins Publishers finally agreed to enter mediation with the union, Local 2110 UAW. The union has been on strike since November 10, 2022, and have not heard directly from the company since their last bargaining session on November 2. The update was provided to the federal mediator assigned to negotiations, who previously invited both parties to resume negotiations.

“We are excited to have this opportunity to continue bargaining with HarperCollins and hope they finally are ready to put a fair offer on the table,” said Olga Brudastova, President of Local 2110 UAW. “We have been on strike for over two months at this point. It is time for us to resolve any outstanding differences and attempt to reset our relationship.”

The union, Local 2110 of the UAW, represents 250+ employees in editorial, sales, publicity, design, legal, and marketing departments. The union is bargaining for higher pay, a greater commitment to diversifying staff, and stronger union protection. Negotiations started in December 2021 and unionized employees have been working without a contract since April 2022.

Strikers plan two rallies next week to amplify the support they have been receiving from authors, agents, booksellers, politicians, and the labor movement at large: Tuesday, January 31, rally at 1 PM will be held outside HarperCollins offices in FiDi of Manhattan; and Thursday, February 2, rally also at 1 PM will be held outside News Corp offices in Midtown.

“We are not asking for much. Our demands are extremely reasonable,” said Laura Harshberger, a Senior Production Editor in Children’s Books and the Union Chairperson. “We see growing support from across the publishing industry and beyond that reassures us that what we are doing is right and worth fighting for. I am hopeful that entering mediation can lead to a fair contract and finally end the strike. But it is not over yet, because the ultimate goal is an agreement that addresses all of our demands.”

The union previously filed a number of Unfair Labor Practice charges against the company ranging from their refusal to provide information essential to negotiations, to layoffs announced when now-strikers were taking a strike authorization vote, to lying to the union about instituting a hiring freeze among bargaining unit positions. The charges are still pending review at the National Labor Relations Board.

HarperCollins employees have had a union for more than 80 years and it is one of the earliest unions of “white collar” workers in the country. It is part of Technical, Office and Professional Union UAW Local 2110. Contract negotiations with HarperCollins management began in December 2021 when a one-year pandemic extension of the contract was set to expire. Currently, HarperCollins is the only major book publisher in the U.S. to be unionized, though book publishers in other countries have unions.

Local 2110 UAW also represents workers at the Museum of Modern Art, the Guggenheim, the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, Columbia University, Film Forum, Teachers College, ACLU, Center for Reproductive Rights, The New Press, and many more. The union has a reputation for aggressive organizing and bargaining and progressive politics.

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Olga Brudastova gave an interview on the 27th, to this book review podcast here.
- Bitching about how HarperCollins didn't just give in
- Over 200 workers are on strike
- Some titles are being pushed back to 2024 and 2025 due to lack of workers
- Non-striking workers are overworked
- Some history on the strike
- Union demands 1) livable wage, 2) Union security, 3) Diversity commitment
- Company had record breaking profits
- Say the company is lying to agents that they've met some demands, like wages
- Company only gives lip service to diversity
- Some back and forth proposals
- Company has established a diversity committee - union wants more
- Company doesn't want to pay for these diversity initiatives
- Union is the only one amongst the big five publishers
- Widespread support from rank and file HarperCollins people and others in the industry
- Some books from Harper not reviewed by the podcast because of the strike
- Some talk about just how many books were worked on by union members - a lot apparently
- Some talk about authors supporting the union
- Don't boycott buying books
- Union members miss the work
- Donate to the cause - food, and water
- Another rally February 2nd
- Strike fund accepts e-donations
- 10,000 in the first few hours
- 50,000 at the time of the podcast
- 10-20 thousand dollars distributed amongst union strikers every week for their hardships
- No paychecks since strike started - Harpers refuses to pay
- Strike fund shows the company strikers have support
- UAW strike assistance fund as well
- Under new york law, strikers are eligible for unemployment insurance
- More unionization expected after this fight
- Publishing is a low-paying industry despite location
- Publishers exploit worker's love of books
- Some backstory on Olga - life long activist of course
- HarperCollins actions aren't different from other companies actions during strikes
- HarperCollins lack of a plan/solution to come to an agreement is strange
- Strike is indefinite, union is willing to work with the company
- Workers want to go back to work
- Decision to strike was difficult
- Its demoralizing to works that HarperCollins acts like the work is valuable/important
- Bitching about seven figure book deal with Boris Johnson, but no money for workers
- President of HarperCollins makes 20 million a year
- Payroll increase for the whole union would be 14 million a year
- HarperCollins April proposal only adds 14,000 to the payroll
- Belief that resistance to the union is coming from HarperCollins parent company
- More media attention on the matter
- Confusion over Publishers weekly article over the strike - which Olga says the union helped to write
- Some bitching about an anti-union lawyer PW consulted with
- Wants PW to do better
- Union members are young - low-level grunts mostly
- UAW branch represents 40 local business
- HarperCollins union goes back to 1942
- Olga was attracted to the union because it had community
- Talk about a raft? - they sound like their saying rat - The rat is literally a giant inflatable rat called scabbers used by unions
- Plans for escalation, events, so on, should the need arise
- HarperCollins says the union refused to bargain
- Counter accusation that the company doesn't want to
- Company rejected last proposal
- Union will always go to the table
- First open-ended strike Olga has led
- Was part of a six month long strike in 2010
- The Company will have to come to the table sooner rather then later
- Company is hiring scabs
- Only way out is for HarperCollins to renegotiate the contract
- One day longer, one day stronger
- Book talk
- Olga isn't a reader
- Labor translates to other industries
- Specialized skill set strikers have
- Breakdown inside the company
- Follow on twitter and instagram
- Strike is uncommon in its digital nature/persistence
- Lag between strike start and strike effect
- Snowball effect will benefit the union
- Strike effect will last for a year/year and a half
- Go to local 2110 for more info on unions and such
- Bad joke - Did you hear about that dating agency for Chickens that had to shut down? Yeah, they had to shut down because they couldn't make hensmeat!

Some Celebration
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Plans for another rally on the 2nd. Somewhere they said they were planning on having one on the 31st of this month as well.
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Some support from an anarchist sci-fi magazine
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Now for a little on what the demands of the Union shall result in.
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Diversity is just a nice way of saying anti-white. Not that I would feel all that bad about these types losing their jobs, should they. After all, these people claim to support diversity.

Apparently this thread of theirs caused some drama somewhere, I didn't go looking for it. If someone else wants to, by all means.
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Some e-begging
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They also got a local politician to come out to their little protest.
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And finally, I'll leave you with some salt. Oh no queers can't groom kids! The horror! - Number 9571
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Okay thanks! I only ask because I keep hearing good things about the Sun Eater series and eventually I want to dive into it. I would definitely rather give my money to Baen than DAW. Right now I still have a huge pile of unread books to get through. Maybe in a year or two they will be on Baen.

Also, I don't want to get my hopes up but it does feel like kind of a whitepill that Ruocchio left DAW for Baen. Maybe SFF is turning a corner and with big trad publisher like Baen along with small press like DMR and indy stuff like Cirvosa, SFF is kind of rebuilding a new culture after the old one was destroyed.

I think we are starting to see a few things come to a head - people are growing wary of wokism and Amazon, but also publishers like Baen and DMR and periodicals like Cirsova are finally on the counter attack.

I had a long chat with some of the newer Baen editors at a few conventions last year. They're ambitious, they have big ideas, and senior editorial is actually giving them some leeway - one nice advantage of Baen being smaller than Tor is the new blood can have a bigger impact.

God willing, people show them the support - if people show Baen or DMR half the brand loyalty they do various comic book publishers, they could double in size in a couple years.
 
That reminds me I need to publish something on RoyalRoad just to test out the discoverability.

I like RoyalRoad for some things, and detest it for others. Or used to, haven't had much time to read lately. 😢 Biggest issue is the whole fanboy/circlejerk thing. Use a pseudonymous but obviously female name and the thirsty boys there will push your story onto the front page every time whatever it is you're writing. To the point other stories by innocent authors are poorly reviewed for no other reason than to shove them off the front page. Maybe I'm exaggerating here, but, man, that stuff is annoying. Second biggest issue is, it seems every time I find something I want to read the author abandons it 30K words into it.

I'm afraid I don't read on the site itself normally, just download the books using the Web to Epub browser extension so I can't comment on the reader experience.

Is it still strictly gamelit and fantasy?

Last I checked, pretty much, yes. It is definitely not the place to write your coming of age in the 1990s fictionalized memoir, but I think straight SF or maybe even Thrillers with SF elements would possibly do okay.
 
I think we are starting to see a few things come to a head - people are growing wary of wokism and Amazon, but also publishers like Baen and DMR and periodicals like Cirsova are finally on the counter attack.

I had a long chat with some of the newer Baen editors at a few conventions last year. They're ambitious, they have big ideas, and senior editorial is actually giving them some leeway - one nice advantage of Baen being smaller than Tor is the new blood can have a bigger impact.

God willing, people show them the support - if people show Baen or DMR half the brand loyalty they do various comic book publishers, they could double in size in a couple years.

The Sun Eater deal was smart because it has nothing to do with wokism/culture wars and everything to do with putting out quality stuff. They're definitely on the right track.

Tor seems to be held up entirely by a few authors, some of whom are either dead or no longer writing much. I guess this isn't unique, but it would be nice to see them have to compete (and maybe stop publishing bad books by people who insult Brandon Sanderson on Twitter).
 
Looks like HarperCollins has its answer for strikers.

Laying off 5 percent of the workforce.
So I'm reading this article...and it says HarperCollins has 4000 employees. This union is only 250....Well...I guess they made it easy for them. I would question the wisdom of anyone involved in a shrinking industry who goes on strike, for what I assume is more money...and from other posts, more diversity. Like it's a recession retards, money is drying up, keep your head down.
 
I think we are starting to see a few things come to a head - people are growing wary of wokism and Amazon, but also publishers like Baen and DMR and periodicals like Cirsova are finally on the counter attack.

I had a long chat with some of the newer Baen editors at a few conventions last year. They're ambitious, they have big ideas, and senior editorial is actually giving them some leeway - one nice advantage of Baen being smaller than Tor is the new blood can have a bigger impact.

God willing, people show them the support - if people show Baen or DMR half the brand loyalty they do various comic book publishers, they could double in size in a couple years.

I think my main issue with Baen as an author - not with the publisher itself, but the distibution model, is that with smaller publishers it's still tough to get the books outside of the US market unless you download off the website or buy hard copies via Amazon (with a 3 month delivery date because Book Depository is run by sloths living within a glacier, on that water planet from Interstellar).

I think true and honest SF readers are used to jumping through hoops to get books, but normies at a bookstore or buying off one of the bookstore websites with a guaranteed 2-day delivery might baulk a bit. So yeah, if I was having a conversation about Baen's future growth, international distro would definitely be on the cards.
 
think my main issue with Baen as an author - not with the publisher itself, but the distibution model, is that with smaller publishers it's still tough to get the books outside of the US market unless you download off the website or buy hard copies via Amazon (with a 3 month delivery date because Book Depository is run by sloths living within a glacier, on that water planet from Interstellar).
Interesting. I do know at least some of Larry Correia's books have been translated into a bunch of smaller European tongues, I think he's posted pictures of both Czech and Hungarian covers in the past. I presume stuff like that means European distribution?

Going the other way, I wonder if Simon & Schuster would ever pull the plug as distributor of Baen's books in the USA because of the hatey mchater/misogyny/evil Sad Puppies machinations.
 
Day 60!
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All of this is yesterday

Day 59 and a reiteration of the unions demands.
Now its protections for bipoc (why won't they just come out and say they want whites fired before blacks?)
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Response thread to the announcement of layoffs!

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So the announcement of layoffs hasn't gone over well. Never fails to crack me up that their mad about the DeSantis book deal.

Here's them confronting the CEO of the company.
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More bitching about the layoffs and an assertion the company has money.
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I think my main issue with Baen as an author - not with the publisher itself, but the distibution model, is that with smaller publishers it's still tough to get the books outside of the US market unless you download off the website or buy hard copies via Amazon (with a 3 month delivery date because Book Depository is run by sloths living within a glacier, on that water planet from Interstellar).

I think true and honest SF readers are used to jumping through hoops to get books, but normies at a bookstore or buying off one of the bookstore websites with a guaranteed 2-day delivery might baulk a bit. So yeah, if I was having a conversation about Baen's future growth, international distro would definitely be on the cards.
Interesting. I do know at least some of Larry Correia's books have been translated into a bunch of smaller European tongues, I think he's posted pictures of both Czech and Hungarian covers in the past. I presume stuff like that means European distribution?

Going the other way, I wonder if Simon & Schuster would ever pull the plug as distributor of Baen's books in the USA because of the hatey mchater/misogyny/evil Sad Puppies machinations.

Ironically, you guys tap into the same issues facing Baen: That one of the nastier impacts of Sad Puppies, and to a lesser extent the Worldcon fiasco, is the industry has gone out of its way to blackball Baen and Baen authors.

This ranges from genre outlets like Locus making a point to exclude covering Baen titles, omission from all the various genre awards, the usual translation deals cutting them off entirely, and Barnes & Noble damn nearly dropping them as a result of a pressure campaign.

Hell, just see the recent pressure campaign to try and force a scifi convention in Virginia (Marscon) to drop Larry Correia as Guest of Honor.

Which is sort of the difference we've seen from Baen in the past year - where once they sort of took these licks and turtled up, now they're hitting back and on the offensive.

Which is why I wish they had more brand support from righties and people who say they hate wokism. We had people in this thread ask "how antiwoke can they be they have commies write for them" and that misses the point. Tor has Orson Scott Card and Brandon Sanderson, but they're full throated wokies as a company.

Baen has never broke or bowed, and despite massive pressure within the industry, stuck to thier guns and principles, no matter the cost. How many other companies can say that this past decade?
 
Ironically, you guys tap into the same issues facing Baen: That one of the nastier impacts of Sad Puppies, and to a lesser extent the Worldcon fiasco, is the industry has gone out of its way to blackball Baen and Baen authors.
Ironic that Baen is owned and operated by a nice Jewish girl originally from NYC with a degree in something silly (Sociology?) from the Woke Temple that is Oberlin.

Dunno if the odd story how Tom Doherty waived a noncompete Jim Baen had signed so Baen Books could get off the ground back in the day is true or not, but you'd probably not see that happening nowadays. That grotesque faggot Patrick Nielsen-Hyphen who (I think?) pretty much runs the show at Tor these days certainly has a Twitter feed that could be written by a Woke AI. Hell, a Woke AI would probably be more interesting; his Twitter is that tedious and predictable. But I'm sure Tor is raking in the bux from the $3 million they paid Scalzi, so doubtless all is well with the world.
 

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FWIW, you actually did manage to convince me to spend money on Baen. Bought the Weird World War 3 anthology, and it hit me like a slap to the face.

It had been so, so long since I found good pulp sci-fi collection that wasn’t straight up pozzed. I had actually resorted to preferentially buying foreign literature anthologies (non light novel shit from Japan is surprisingly good) because the retardation ratio was so much lower.

Weird World War 3 wasn’t perfect, but the stories that were good were really good, and went a long way towards reminding me of why I fell in love with the genre from the start. I now go out of my way to see if Baen has a section in the bookstore and browse their catalogue to see if there’s anything I might want to read.
 
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