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As absurd as only keeping 35% of sales sounds, I did some research on what traditional publishing houses give authors, and it’s even worse: royalties are 5-15% of profit, after manufacturing costs are subtracted from the price of the book sold.
It's not like trad publishing is a good way to make a fortune, except for a small minority of authors, but there's a lot less risk involved. The books themselves sell for more--I can't ask for more than $3.99 if I want to be competitive, which is a number that stays the same regardless of inflation--and you don't have to shoulder the costs of marketing and cover design.

I don't think Amazon has a tier system. But if I did "hit it big," ten thousand books sold at $3.00 royalties a piece is actually decent money. The problem is that I don't know how you sell that much when Kindle Unlimited is what readers now expect by default. That $30,000 from having a small hit of a book is turned into less than $10,000 in terms of raw pages read, and likely FAR less--you get paid whether or not someone finishes your books traditionally, so long as there's a sale; you DO NOT get paid in KU+ if your book gets put down.
 
It's not like trad publishing is a good way to make a fortune, except for a small minority of authors, but there's a lot less risk involved. The books themselves sell for more--I can't ask for more than $3.99 if I want to be competitive, which is a number that stays the same regardless of inflation--and you don't have to shoulder the costs of marketing and cover design.

I don't think Amazon has a tier system. But if I did "hit it big," ten thousand books sold at $3.00 royalties a piece is actually decent money. The problem is that I don't know how you sell that much when Kindle Unlimited is what readers now expect by default. That $30,000 from having a small hit of a book is turned into less than $10,000 in terms of raw pages read, and likely FAR less--you get paid whether or not someone finishes your books traditionally, so long as there's a sale; you DO NOT get paid in KU+ if your book gets put down.
Yeah, I understand the line of thinking that lead to KU, since at first it sounds pretty good being paid without having to count on a full sale, but that’s the give-and-take of it. It’s physical publishing house royalties on a page-by-page basis, without the guarantee of at least a sale’s worth of profit when people pick up your book.
 
The big issue with Amazon is as they get an increasingly large chunk of the market, they have less and less reason to be nice to the self published and indie authors who depend on them.

"Oh, you don't like us cutting royalties in half? Suck it up, what are you gonna do, go back to the bookstores and publishers we drove out of buisiness?"

It's why I hope we see places like Baen.com take off more... Amazon is the Walmart of publishing, we need the Target and others.
 
I joined one overwhelmingly male group looking for regular nerd autism and over the past decade being pro-tranny has become their site culture. It's like a combo of them getting so desperate that they try to change sex like fish, pervs sneaking their fetishes in, or being so up their own asses they think they transcend gender when really it's just low T. If you go looking for a woman-free space you're going to end up among men who try to deny a woman is what they really want and they'll be fucking weird about it.
We lost something when literary circles stopped being made of racists wying for exotic foreign wives. (Otakus don't interact)
 
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Larry Correa calls JDA a sad pathetic grifter, note his book doesn't come out till tomorrow.


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So genuine question to the people in the industry like @Boston Brand, what are the publishers' stance on AI and what is their current plan about it for now and in the future?
I haven't been keeping up with book news lately, but there was a mild flap when a Christopher Paolini book cover used AI. People were mad, but it came out unchanged. The author and publisher didn't want to push the release date back. His publisher, Tor, apologized by saying they just thought the Paolini cover was a random stock image and it was too late to change, etc. The book was review-bombed basically just for that. Not sure if it affected sales, probably not a whole lot.

 
This article was rather meh, but since it is about as on-topic as anything else posted, I figure why not. Plus, NY Times.

An Unexpected Hotbed of Y.A. Authors: Utah

I'm skeptical non-Nicaean creeds (LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, though lately the SDA has waffled a bit on stuff like the Trinity) should even be accepted as Christian, and even I don't have the hate boner for these people the secular media seems to have. 🤷‍♂️

As an aside, you know you've spent too much time on the Farms when your first thought at seeing this image is "Troon." Apparently not. Just rather, well, masculine features. Stillborn baby, etc.

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Also, apparently taken at a very unfortunate angle, in other images searching her name I'm not seeing the giant manjaw, etc.
 
Why would anyone want to lay claim to the Sad Puppies? The whole endeavor was a failure
Not really. More like a mixed bag. All Correia was trying to do when he started it was prove his point that the Hugos are not a "fan award" but essentially an incestuous circle jerk. AFAIK he never had any expectation of winning anything. First the Hugo insiders/WorldCon did the whole "No Award" nonsense then they changed the rules, locking in place the incestuous circle jerk. I'd say his point was well made by the end of it all. And once his point was made Correia walked away from the whole thing. 🤷‍♂️ Like by 2015 or 2016 or so. IIRC the sum total of his effort was something like four blog posts and recommendations. Minimal effort for massive blowback.

There was a lot of ancillary crap that was more embarrassing than it was anything else, but I think Correia's main point was made, and clearly. What JDA had to do with any of it, good or bad? Ya got me.

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FWIW, Vox Day has risen to defend his BFF JDA in at least three blog entries, in the unlikely event anyone cares. He must be really butthurt.

The Saga of the Baen Exemplar / https://archive.ph/ywIXY

A Sad Puppy Testifies / https://archive.ph/wip/rO853

The Baen Brigade Keeps Biting Ankles / https://archive.ph/cAnys
 
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Not really. More like a mixed bag. All Correia was trying to do when he started it was prove his point that the Hugos are not a "fan award" but essentially an incestuous circle jerk. AFAIK he never had any expectation of winning anything. First the Hugo insiders/WorldCon did the whole "No Award" nonsense then they changed the rules, locking in place the incestuous circle jerk. I'd say his point was well made by the end of it all. And once his point was made Correia walked away from the whole thing. 🤷‍♂️ Like by 2015 or 2016 or so. IIRC the sum total of his effort was something like four blog posts and recommendations. Minimal effort for massive blowback.
The big picture is that Larry ran it one - maybe two years - just to prove his point about how cliquish it all was. After that, he walked away having proven his point and then it was run the following year by Brad Torgusen IIRC. (probably spelled his name wrong though - sorry) That was the year of the rabid puppies as well. After that I think there was one more year where they had a "recommendation" list and then that was it, the dragon awards had been made and everybody stopped carry about the hugos.

We're talking about something that - at MOST - covered 4 years and I really think it was only 2 or 3.

Literally all else that has happened is that someone else eventually noticed the same problem with the hugos that Larry did, made the exact same point by happenstance, and it caused a renewed freak-out.

FWIW, Vox Day has risen to defend his BFF JDA in at least three blog entries, in the unlikely event anyone cares. He must be really butthurt.

The Saga of the Baen Exemplar / https://archive.ph/ywIXY

A Sad Puppy Testifies / https://archive.ph/wip/rO853

The Baen Brigade Keeps Biting Ankles / https://archive.ph/cAnys
Ooooo thanks! I'm going to cross post this to the Vox thread.
 
I vaguely remember a lot of Baen authors hate vox for being a cunt to Weisskopf, is that accurate?
News to me, if so. And I'm no fan of Vox.

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After that, he walked away having proven his point and then it was run the following year by Brad Torgusen IIRC.
Then the gals at Mad Genius Club took a bite at the apple. Nobody gave a shit, not even me, so I'm not really sure if they even put together a slate of candidates. The whole thing died with a whimper AFAIK after that.
 
Then the gals at Mad Genius Club took a bite at the apple. Nobody gave a shit, not even me, so I'm not really sure if they even put together a slate of candidates. The whole thing died with a whimper AFAIK after that.
yeah a lot of members of the MGC overlapped with the previous participants. I think it's fair to label their participation the last year of the sad puppies participation proper.
 
yeah a lot of members of the MGC overlapped with the previous participants. I think it's fair to label their participation the last year of the sad puppies participation proper.
Didn't Cedar Sanderson or Sarah Hoyt run the last gasp of Sad Puppies? I have a vague sense even Torgersen noped out, maybe after a year. I can't even believe I'm asking, given how little I care, but here I am. 🤷‍♂️
 
Didn't Cedar Sanderson or Sarah Hoyt run the last gasp of Sad Puppies? I have a vague sense even Torgersen noped out, maybe after a year. I can't even believe I'm asking, given how little I care, but here I am. 🤷‍♂️
I thought they worked together but if I were to guess it was probably Hoyt.

That is before I go digging up the sources.
 
This TikTok from Victoria Schwab is fucking hilarious. She got agented and a book contract while still in college, got published by Disney, got dropped, was immediately picked up by Tor and has known nothing but success since. To watch this thing you'd think she was eating uncooked ramen while living in a shed next to an interstate, persevering for her big break.

Weird because she could legitimately point to her work ethic, stuff like that.

Late and Gay, and probably re-hashing what @Three Gorillion Dollars and @Boston Brand have said but the "struggling writer" persona is the only one that doesn't attract a zerg-rush of envy and knee-chopping from an audience just waiting for the slightest chance to bring a successful author down.

Like the shitty Lightlark writer who had already been published twice for MG little more than a year earlier, making TikToks about how she never could believe any publisher would want little ol' her and her little ol' YA manuscript. Getting interviewed on TV about her wonderful luck at going viral on TikTok (leaving out the bit that her millionare family run a viral TikTok marketing business) really put a big crack in the whole edifice. I actually think this is some attempt at damage control on behalf of other YA authors in the same boat.

It's basically marketing. I know a writer who makes a lot of money from their books but always presents themselves as a starving artist who fawns over any attention and implores people to support them so they don't go hungry. It's rather disgusting.

Uh, pure sociopathy by that point.

Don't buy that act from Victoria Schwab for a minute. There's a reason you're seeing her everywhere now: After a year of Tor offering every lady with a bad die job and a liberal arts degree a book deal, she's the first to actually sell enough books to justify the advance.

Granted, she's white, so Tor won't buy her a Hugo, but after a decade of losing money in the diversity push, she's the first one to actually become an earner for the company.

I have a writer-friend who is not white but is fairly new to the scene and is yet to start submitting their books to publishers. I've been warning them about over-reliance on using identity as a tactical entry man-ram through the publishing gate. Yes, being (Mon Calamari) when there's not a lot of Mon Cala authors out there might get you a foot in the door with these publishers, but if there's no fucking substance to your story, the novelty wears off really quick. To put it simply: It's A Trap!

That's funny, I just read "The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue" by her, I didn't know anything about her or her other books before that, I just randomly picked it up because it sounded interesting. And then I saw the most insane top review on Goodreads.
(snip) I cannot imagine that anyone would say anything similar to a non-white author.

VS's had a few issues of critics coming for her, but she's untouchable now, as she's ascended out of YA Genre and into Literary Bookclub.

I'm pretty antisocial and misogynistic at the best of times, but when all I see are women and trannies in writing groups, leading cons and in positions of power, it just makes the revulsion I feel even worse. Even the men in the industry bitch like women and trannies. You've got to be a bit fucked in the head to be creative, but jesus can we have decent role models that aren't retarded on twitter or mormon?

What I'd really like to do is create an all male group that's curated for not being a tranny or dickhead, like a men's shed for creative writing.

I know a few guys do this, they keep it fairly quiet though. I gotta say that when it comes to organising big public-facing social things like conventions the unsexy admin side has pretty much always been women's work. (Star Trek is the big example of media conventions, I think prior to that, the Hugos and others existed more on a club level) Men tend to enjoy smaller, more curatorial events (this is probably all a huge generalisation but I have noticed how hard the female members of writing and fandom lean into "getting everyone together.")



So genuine question to the people in the industry like @Boston Brand, what are the publishers' stance on AI and what is their current plan about it for now and in the future?

Well AFAIK Amazon has cut book uploads to three a day because of it. We have yet to have an AI work that has gone under the radar to a proper publisher though, it's so obvious if something has been AI generated. You see it in AI written articles where the AI has to recursively reference the "prompt" every once in a while and keeps repeating the same phrase.
 
Current Drama:

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The Reddit sub r/fantasywriters has been set to private (locked and closed) for a variety of reasons but you can probably guess.

the tl;dr is too many activist kids asking dumb questions on whether their orc character is racist, and "what should my magic system be?"

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Hating on shitty "Adult" writing in SFF that sounds like YA is getting a moment in the sun on Twitter - the battle rages on between people agreeing with the concept that the fucking squeecore comfy fiction movement has dumbed everything down to rubbish, and the usual "why can we not have nice things hater" brigade riding to the defence (of garbage).

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Barnes and Noble released the Best YA Books for 2023 and every author on it was white!

HOWEVER the battle is not set in stone - many "what about XYZ author" cries then end up referring to books released as ADULT books. The YA Book market is in decline at the moment, and a lot of books that would be "YA" a few years ago are being released into the adult market. The best non-white/POC authored books go down the adult track anyway, leading to (SEE POINT 2).
 
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