YABookgate

[Kari Kamiya]

Ha! Well I will forgive fan fiction and shippers - at least they do their shit because it's sexy to them and not because they are trying to win clout and "progressive points"!

You'd be surprised. Yeah, they're clearly schlicking the bean to their own writings, but even back before woke became a thing, there were a lot of fic writers who wanted to get "famous" in fan fiction circles and get "endless praise" for their work (smut or otherwise), so they'd just copy what was popular at the time for clicks.

That's exactly what you're seeing in current-day publishing houses, because I can guarantee you majority of who's in there right now wrote fics in their teens and 20s (and upward to 30s) and had gained an audience, and Internet numbers weren't good enough for them. They carried on those same retarded tactics into the real world, and we're seeing the results. They just will not listen to reason because they're still fixated on their youth and the dopamine hits they had from that time.

 

[Flexo]

So the master check list to get published is

1. Brown biracial main heroine
2. Have her start out as lesbian (with scene) and then have her discover she's bisexual (with scene)
3. Have the male love interest be the supposed main villain (for those enemies to lovers and redemption arch tropes)
4. Have in your face racist injustice for the heroine to fight against
5. Have in your face sexist injustice for the heroine to fight against
6. Have slave rebellion for your heroine to lead (ties in with the racist injustice)
7. Have several minority characters (for found family trope)
8. Have the true big bad evil guy be a white male

I'm sure I'm missing something. Anyone have any suggestions for the list?

We should write this in the farms "naked came the stranger" style and see if we can get it to win awards.

What's the name of our fake author?

 

[Gnillik Yot]

We should write this in the farms "naked came the stranger" style and see if we can get it to win awards.

What's the name of our fake author?

I'm down for your plan. It would be a glorious little scandal if we revealed it after getting published. A few of us Kiwis could take turns collaborating & writing chapters, united under a woke pen name.

 

[Windows 10 Upgrade]

You'd be surprised. Yeah, they're clearly schlicking the bean to their own writings, but even back before woke became a thing, there were a lot of fic writers who wanted to get "famous" in fan fiction circles and get "endless praise" for their work (smut or otherwise), so they'd just copy what was popular at the time for clicks.

That's exactly what you're seeing in current-day publishing houses, because I can guarantee you majority of who's in there right now wrote fics in their teens and 20s (and upward to 30s) and had gained an audience, and Internet numbers weren't good enough for them. They carried on those same retarded tactics into the real world, and we're seeing the results. They just will not listen to reason because they're still fixated on their youth and the dopamine hits they had from that time.

Ugh, that brings back memories - the phrase "social justice warrior" was born in those circles, before the word "woke" became the catchcry for a certain type of behaviour.

There would always be those few fans (not all of them were fanfic writers, some just did meta or did board/LJ admin) who would concern-troll any fanwork that had anything deemed "problematic"... a list which kept steadily growing and consuming everything in its path. Definitely, all the current tactics of cancellation and wokeism was practiced in those trenches (so a bit like Bane being born in the darkness while Batman only adopted it).

The YA Bookdrama craziness is 100% blueprinted off the early 2000s internet fan explosion.

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

I'm down for your plan. It would be a glorious little scandal if we revealed it after getting published. A few of us Kiwis could take turns collaborating & writing chapters, united under a woke pen name.

Needs to be a name that's code for a slur, slip it right past 'em.

 

[TapewormSalesman]

Have her start out as lesbian (with scene) and then have her discover she's bisexual (with scene

This one won't fly by itself, these people get super rabid when someone gets unlesbian'd, mere fanart/fanfic can cause a mob. No publisher would go near it , UNLESS you twist their rules against them.
The love interest is a twink in a dress. Living as a woman for several years due to being a spy or whatever, severely trans coded , if you will. Can be the manliest twink around otherwise, as long as he goes under she/her during the day and wears a pretty dress, it's still a lesbian, hell, even better- a trans lesbian, so you get both of the most important letters of LGBTQIABBQ+π. Absolutely nobody can shit on this because it's transphobic and that's a bigger crime right now than pissing off some lesbians.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Needs to be a name that's code for a slur, slip it right past 'em.

To on the nose. Somebody would figure it out. Whoever the "author" is, is gonna need a twitter or other social media account for the publisher to go through. After all, we don't want them publishing anyone with problematic views. Now do we.

This one won't fly by itself, these people get super rabid when someone gets unlesbian'd, mere fanart/fanfic can cause a mob. No publisher would go near it , UNLESS you twist their rules against them.

Now I thought about this, but I assumed having a female character be an actual bad person would cause more outrage, and you need her to really be bad for point three. Not, she's only bad because of a patriarchal society, but otherwise she's a good person.

The love interest is a twink in a dress. Living as a woman for several years due to being a spy or whatever, severely trans coded , if you will. Can be the manliest twink around otherwise, as long as he goes under she/her during the day and wears a pretty dress, it's still a lesbian, hell, even better- a trans lesbian, so you get both of the most important letters of LGBTQIABBQ+π. Absolutely nobody can shit on this because it's transphobic and that's a bigger crime right now than pissing off some lesbians.

Lmao, this is perfect. Throw in a big gay wedding at the end for the two of them.

So the updated master check list to get published is

1. Brown biracial main heroine
2. Have her start out as straight (with scene) and then have her discover she's bisexual (with scene)
3. Have a trans-woman love interest be the supposed main villain (for those enemies to lovers and redemption arch tropes)
4. Have in your face racist injustice for the heroine to fight against
5. Have in your face sexist injustice for the heroine to fight against
6. Have slave rebellion for your heroine to lead (ties in with the racist injustice)
7. Have several minority characters (for found family trope)
8. Have the true big bad evil guy be a white male
9. Have a big gay wedding at the end

 

[Gnillik Yot]

@World Famous Quasi Payer I agree with you about the author name not being too on the author. We don't want the plan ruined by a gimmick. As for Twitter accounts, if we were serious about doing this, I have a "normie friendly" account well on the way to 1,000 followers. So unless one of you has got one higher, that would seem the safest bet!

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

So the updated master check list to get published is

You also need the MC getting privileged checked by an even more oppressed minority, with a full scene of the MC just clicking her fingers in silent support and the character unloads their tragic, but kind of petty, backstory. As Qui-Gon said, there's always a bigger victim.

 

[Participation Frog]

There ARE ways to write contemporary YA literature utilizing "based" plotlines that you like without being canceled by the woke mob; you can even get the woke mob to think you are on their side if you are good with execution..

For example. Let's say you want to write a YA/NA horror novel set in our world in present day. And that you want your main character to be a pretty/cute/ white woman, and you want the antagonist to be a BUTCH Latina woman. Let's go farther and say you want the Latina woman to call out your cute white girl protagonist for her privilege. Let's make things hot by saying you want these two young women to get into a physical brawl with one another. And for the audience including at least 75% of your woke readers to be on the side of the white girl.

Alright, what alternate reality am I beaming on from? This one, I'm serious. It all goes down to execution. Here is how you can make that scene work:

Your cute white girl is woke af. She's a college age gal and she is attending a "Abolish Ice" protest. She has Abolish Ice on her car. She's dating a biracial Mexican American and her best friend is another DREAMER passing white biracial Mexican girl. Our cute white girl is even willing to house her DREAMER friend in her house and is the type to throw a rock in an ICE building window. At our protest, a Latina woman confronts the protesters, and this Latina woman is right-wing. She starts defending ICE and tells our white girl that the white girl is just a virtue signaling white leftist. She says that her family came here legally. She is dating an ICE agent. She thinks the white girl's Mexican BFF girl should be deported. The two get into a physical brawl!

And so you see, the above scene is one that 75% of woke readers would identify with. In the scene above, the protagonist is actually risking her own safety to try to protect illegal aliens from the government, and here this right-wing Latina is accusing her of virtue signaling. A lot of the woke girls of YA booktok are white girls who have friends & lovers of other races. Since they spend time on the internet they are aware of POC conservatives. POC conservatives often mock and deconstruct white woke women. White woke women get very upset by this. In above scene, the protagonist does not get into a fight with the Latina because she's Latina, she gets into it because the Latina is a "bigot" and our white girl is approved by her Mexican boyfriend and her white-passing Mexican girl BFF, who she is good friends with permanently. I've never seen woke people side with "based" POC against their own, not in real life anyway. Why would they side with the "Oreo" Latina in fiction if they don't do so in real life?

Tldr: You can win if you know how to execute what you want in a way that makes everyone happy. Based readers get to experience a cute white girl triumph against a Latina woman taunting her about being white. Woke readers get the joy of feeling represented by a character just like them who is protecting her biracial Mexican friend from an evil right-wing agency.

 

[Flexo]

Needs to be a name that's code for a slur, slip it right past 'em.

Judith D. Stroyer

 

[Teeth That Tear]

I've never seen woke people side with "based" POC against their own, not in real life anyway. Why would they side with the "Oreo" Latina in fiction if they don't do so in real life?

They're more likely to accuse you of some form of racist projection and probably white saviorism for inventing that "based POC" character in the first place, and to fervently deny that any such person exists or could ever exist in real life. In fact, some of them will do this even in response to real life incidents.
Any fictional scenario wherein a brown person harms a less brown person risks getting called out as problematic because "in real life it's the other way around" and entertaining the idea that it could ever be otherwise is clearly white supremacist DARVO.

 

[Participation Frog]

They're more likely to accuse you of some form of racist projection and probably white saviorism for inventing that "based POC" character in the first place, and to fervently deny that any such person exists or could ever exist in real life. In fact, some of them will do this even in response to real life incidents.
Any fictional scenario wherein a brown person harms a less brown person risks getting called out as problematic because "in real life it's the other way around" and entertaining the idea that it could ever be otherwise is clearly white supremacist DARVO.

Only a few are like that. Have you ever seen even one woke person on Twitter defend Andrew Tate from criticism by woke white women? Not me. Tate is African American, Muslim, etc. But he is right-wing. Leftists have enough IQ to not side with him against their own. Or, have you ever seen other woke people rebuke one of their white men or women for talking back to African-American-based woman Candace Owens on Twitter? I certainly haven't. Leftists mock Hispanic Nick Fuentes for being a white nationalist while being Mexican.
Point being, if a majority of woke people side with fellow woke whites against based minorities in real life, I can't imagine they wouldn't do the same in a book.

 

[Mola Ram]

Only a few are like that. Have you ever seen even one woke person on Twitter defend Andrew Tate from criticism by woke white women? Not me. Tate is African American, Muslim, etc. But he is right-wing. Leftists have enough IQ to not side with him against their own. Or, have you ever seen other woke people rebuke one of their white men or women for talking back to African-American-based woman Candace Owens on Twitter? I certainly haven't. Leftists mock Hispanic Nick Fuentes for being a white nationalist while being Mexican.
Point being, if a majority of woke people side with fellow woke whites against based minorities in real life, I can't imagine they wouldn't do the same in a book.

Never forget the political activist who said, "Cubans aren't Hispanic, they vote Republican."

 

[Teeth That Tear]

Only a few are like that. Have you ever seen even one woke person on Twitter defend Andrew Tate from criticism by woke white women? Not me. Tate is African American, Muslim, etc. But he is right-wing. Leftists have enough IQ to not side with him against their own. Or, have you ever seen other woke people rebuke one of their white men or women for talking back to African-American-based woman Candace Owens on Twitter? I certainly haven't. Leftists mock Hispanic Nick Fuentes for being a white nationalist while being Mexican.
Point being, if a majority of woke people side with fellow woke whites against based minorities in real life, I can't imagine they wouldn't do the same in a book.

You're missing the point. Yes, in real life woke people value political allegiance over the oppression stack. I'm not disputing that. We're in agreement there.
What I'm saying is that even the wokest of woke usually recognize some distinction between fiction and reality (though their approach may be unorthodox), and if presented with "woke white vs. based brown" in a book, they'll denounce the whole thing as a fantasy by a white person wanting to smear minorities and present themselves as a hero. Thusly, they cut the gordian knot by dismissing both characters and attacking the author instead.
About the best you can hope for in terms of support is that they'll choose to "rescue" those poor maligned characters from your evil clutches by headcanoning a raceswap (or politicalswap, whatever you'd call that I guess) that's more in line with their preconceptions. Get ready for a bunch of uglified fanart of no-longer-based!brown saying "BTW I was actually woke all along uwu and was just brainwashed into supporting republicans, also Trans Rights!"

 

[Gnillik Yot]

What I'm saying is that even the wokest of woke usually recognize some distinction between fiction and reality (though their approach may be unorthodox), and if presented with "woke white vs. based brown" in a book, they'll denounce the whole thing as a fantasy by a white person wanting to smear minorities and present themselves as a hero.

Though in the example @Participation Frog described, the woke white woman is dating a woke brown and is BFF's with a biracial woke woman. Presumably these characters and more would be important in the story as well as the "based brown" one. So fans of the book could easily say the positive minority characters outnumber the negative one.
In the past couple years there have been popular YA books written by woke people starring black villains. (And black heroes.)

 

[TapewormSalesman]

I think it can work, you just have to juggle the oppression scale right and tack a big fat label on yourself so you're more criticism free. Just look at the 'albino snake' subplot a few pages back, the black one was sort of forced to concede because ableism. You can always make a member of an 'oppressed' group a bad guy if you have enough oppression points for your hero and the bad guy triggers them enough.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

Woke Thread Trashing Popular Authors For NOT Being Woke Enough Goes PAINFULLY (Hilariously) Viral Archive









Would have gotten the brain dead twitter user as well, but sadly


Never ceases to amaze me that people think doing this stuff isn't going to get them dragged by everyone else.

 

[Gnillik Yot]

Double post, but referring to the woman above who locked her tweets, I almost forgot the advantage I had from having a woke YA account...she follows me and therefore I can see her protected tweets. I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised by now by the coincidence that someone I know on Twitter went viral with her hot take, as I'm very deeply embedded in the woke YA sphere; some of these people even considering us friends. With this girl, she followed me after liking several of my tweets.
Some people on this thread are defeatist, believing there is no way to succeed or not get canceled in this sphere. Well I'm proof you're wrong. @Windows 10 Upgrade is even more embedded in this world than me.

 

[Participation Frog]

Okay I have a question for those of you are actually within the YA world in a respectable manner while secretly harboring rw views. Do you know any good developmental editors who are secretly or maybe not so secretly dissident? I don't want to hire a DE only to have them scold my book for being problematic. But I want to hire a professional.