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Sure, but you're skipping much of the important plot points. The macguffin happens to be the deuteragonist, inextricably tied with the magic system, all of which is explained in the first book, as the training is a lot more involved than "use the force". It's a long ass book.
Yeah, there are going to be more divergences when you have a long form medium (several hundred pages) vs a short form medium (two hour film). I didn't bring up the lack of visual cues either because that seemed pretty obvious in the fact that they are different mediums.

Also yes, another technical difference would be that R2D2 in Eragon is related to magic instead of just the best robot ever.

I was referring to the literal immaculate conception of Anakin because of the midi chlorian bullshit and the prophecy but yeah, that's in later films. Same with space politics, but the ancient order of Jedi Knights is just a pleb tier Bene Gesserit who have no idea how to keep humanity's balance. That's the whole point of the Jedi - to keep balance in the force, which means the galaxy, which means humanity. The Bene Gesserit do the same - they act as humanity's shepherds. It's why Leto II reminds them of their "noble purpose" when they discover his hidden cache in the later books. Noble purpose... like what the Jedi are supposed to do? And Jedi mind tricks are literally just the Voice dude.
  1. That's actually not what immaculate conception means. I.C. refers to Mary's conception free from original sin. (I'm not even Catholic, I just know my Catholic bros cringe every time they see the mix up.)
  2. If you want to make the case that Lucas dipped deeper into Dune for the prequels... ok? (I'm not a big prequel defender so I don't really care.) But so now we've gone from "it definitely influenced his films" to "this one particular aspect of this franchise definitely influenced a similar aspect of another franchise." I mean, just try this as an exercise - come up with a galactic spanning order of people who are supposed to do "good" explicitly described as "guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy" in the first line that describes them - in a manner that someone else couldn't then call them as copycats of the Bene Gesserit by the same standard you just used. Heck you said "which means humanity" which doesn't make sense when the prequels explicitly show on screen that the Jedi are multi-racial with like... only 1 human on their ruling council. (maybe there was another, I forget)
  3. Do you even begin to see how far you're stretching here? Yeah, Jedi mind tricks are "the voice" - and having a commanding voice is a trope that goes back to even older tales. It even comes up in Lord of the Rings.
Hell you could make a stronger case that Dune and Star Wars ripped off LOTR in parallel more than they ripped off each other. It had magic and swords in it too.

Oh yeah, and we all know Eragon ripped off the magic system of "Earthsea." Which I'm not even that upset about but it was noted. (I think magic systems are like tools.)

Frieren is 142 chapters that follows the adventures of a elf who didn't know that a guy loved and she loved him until after his death and is still broken up about it 50 years later. So I'd say yeah.
Spy X Family is a hilarious comedy about the world's best spy and the world's best assassin coming together to raise a telepathic orphan.

And none of them know any of this about the others. It's very wholesome.

I can also recommend "Gamers!" (does not involve any actual games)
 
I learned that the Paolini hater community is still active after moving from Livejournal, so I checked out how life goes for people who have spent more than a decade hating a mediocre writer.

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I see. Carry on.
 
I learned that the Paolini hater community is still active after moving from Livejournal, so I checked out how life goes for people who have spent more than a decade hating a mediocre writer.

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I see. Carry on.

Not much to add to this heady cocktail of narcissism and delusion other than to say Stephen King has, in fact, returned to Twitter, and is roundly mocked for his previous flouncing away every time he opens his stupid mouth.
 
I learned that the Paolini hater community is still active after moving from Livejournal, so I checked out how life goes for people who have spent more than a decade hating a mediocre writer.

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Oh back then hating Paolini was like being here about moviebob. At some point it was less about him and more the friends we made along the way. (Like @Mola Ram and @Ralph Barnhardt)
 
Oh back then hating Paolini was like being here about moviebob. At some point it was less about him and more the friends we made along the way. (Like @Mola Ram and @Ralph Barnhardt)

I hated Paolini on my own time, mostly because he's a few years younger than me and I was seethingly envious that a guy that young and that amateurish got published through blatant industry connections.

I no longer care, despite still being barely one step above "unpublished." If you want to hate untalented writers with unwarranted success, there are much more nauseating examples out there. Anyone want to kick around Anna Todd?
 
I hated Paolini on my own time, mostly because he's a few years younger than me and I was seethingly envious that a guy that young and that amateurish got published through blatant industry connections.

I no longer care, despite still being barely one step above "unpublished." If you want to hate untalented writers with unwarranted success, there are much more nauseating examples out there. Anyone want to kick around Anna Todd?
I remember when the KrimsonRogue review came out on After. Literally pulled straight off Wattpad, mistakes and all.
 
I remember when the KrimsonRogue review came out on After. Literally pulled straight off Wattpad, mistakes and all.

I have a particular disdain for Wattpad because it was the first place I tried to make a go of my own writing, and believe me when I say her style is (or was, I've been gone for years now) absolutely a guidestone for every young writer on that site.

As you might have suspected, ol' Mola's writing was a spectacularly bad fit for Wattpad, and so my distaste is tempered, but the fact that Todd enthralled millions of readers is a source of consternation if not existential terror.
 
I have a particular disdain for Wattpad because it was the first place I tried to make a go of my own writing, and believe me when I say her style is (or was, I've been gone for years now) absolutely a guidestone for every young writer on that site.

As you might have suspected, ol' Mola's writing was a spectacularly bad fit for Wattpad, and so my distaste is tempered, but the fact that Todd enthralled millions of readers is a source of consternation if not existential terror.
I think i remember skimming that book in a B&N years ago, just because of the buzz it kicked up. It had sex. That was the only draw it had. The writing itself was mush. Charecters were abusive assholes. It literally was everything feminists said was bad, but they paraded it around like it was hot shit. I didn't fucking get it until i realized "Oh, this is just porn!"

Yeah, i feel bad for you if you tried getting started on Wattpad at that time. I can't imagine anything even slightly action based/male coded/not porn would have flown. I tried traditonal publishing with my stuff. That was its own mess. Makes me want to break a table when i see someone like Anna Todd just get plucked out of the crab bucket by Simon and Schuster/ Gallery Books.
 
I think i remember skimming that book in a B&N years ago, just because of the buzz it kicked up. It had sex. That was the only draw it had. The writing itself was mush. Charecters were abusive assholes. It literally was everything feminists said was bad, but they paraded it around like it was hot shit. I didn't fucking get it until i realized "Oh, this is just porn!"

Yeah, i feel bad for you if you tried getting started on Wattpad at that time. I can't imagine anything even slightly action based/male coded/not porn would have flown. I tried traditonal publishing with my stuff. That was its own mess. Makes me want to break a table when i see someone like Anna Todd just get plucked out of the crab bucket by Simon and Schuster/ Gallery Books.

I was actually a low-level success. Won their "Watty" award (it's as meaningless as you think); got a shopping agreement where they'd supposedly pitch my story to various entertainment outlets (not only did it go nowhere, all my inquiries as to what the heck was going on with it were met with deafening silence); was even part of their Paid program (I made maybe 200 bucks all told, and even that amount was surprising to me because nobody I knew wanted to give Wattpad money for "coins" which could then be spent on any other story). I abandoned ship in 2020, because if you think American companies went nuts during the Summer of Floyd, Canadian ones were full Jonestown Cult -- they explicitly said they would be transitioning from a platform focused on free expression to one focused on anti-oppression. (I still have the email, and it is a doozy.)

It was a blessing in disguise, really. The experience of actually writing the story and getting a decent level of feedback was an important one, and while I loathe Wattpad I don't really regret it.

Didn't "After" only get "popular" when it got picked up for a film adaptation, which was then dumped on streaming and then outright forgotten about afterwards even with reviews trashing on it? Write a cumdumpster plot, don't complain when you become the very cumdumpster you aspired.

Sadly, no. The whole reason it became a published book and movie franchise is because on Wattpad it accrued, literally, over one billion reads. It might have gone over two billion, I'm not sure. As awful as it is, as terrible its craft and its message, it was hugely popular. When it was on a free-to-read platform, anyway.

Important note, however: the original version of the story wasn't just a retarded and toxic college romance. The original version was a self-insert celebrity fanfic where Totally Not Anna Todd As a College Freshman is swept off her feet by Harry Styles. Obviously, that was not going to fly in any sort of profitmaking medium, and so he was changed to the slightly more generic "Hardin Scott." I do remember some Wattpad fangirls squeeing over the possibility that Harry would play Hardin in the movie, because the average Wattpadder is much too dumb to understand why Harry Styles would avoid this thing like a rabbit avoiding a pack of wolves.
 
I was actually a low-level success. Won their "Watty" award (it's as meaningless as you think); got a shopping agreement where they'd supposedly pitch my story to various entertainment outlets (not only did it go nowhere, all my inquiries as to what the heck was going on with it were met with deafening silence); was even part of their Paid program (I made maybe 200 bucks all told, and even that amount was surprising to me because nobody I knew wanted to give Wattpad money for "coins" which could then be spent on any other story). I abandoned ship in 2020, because if you think American companies went nuts during the Summer of Floyd, Canadian ones were full Jonestown Cult -- they explicitly said they would be transitioning from a platform focused on free expression to one focused on anti-oppression. (I still have the email, and it is a doozy.)

It was a blessing in disguise, really. The experience of actually writing the story and getting a decent level of feedback was an important one, and while I loathe Wattpad I don't really regret it.
>no calls back
>hyper woke
>pay is... lol
Yeah. Sounds about right for the writing industry. Except I didn't get the 200 bucks lmao. Sounds like that would have been a wild ride to be on. I get what you mean by not regretting it. Bet you learned a lot from it. That was me with all my submissions. Had to read up on the process for weeks, and even then, just getting started and sending emails to agents was a task in of itself. Half never replied back. Longest reply was 6 months I believe, and it was a no.
 
>no calls back
>hyper woke
>pay is... lol
Yeah. Sounds about right for the writing industry. Except I didn't get the 200 bucks lmao. Sounds like that would have been a wild ride to be on. I get what you mean by not regretting it. Bet you learned a lot from it. That was me with all my submissions. Had to read up on the process for weeks, and even then, just getting started and sending emails to agents was a task in of itself. Half never replied back. Longest reply was 6 months I believe, and it was a no.

Thinking back, I didn't sink as much time into it as it might seem. I uploaded my story in early 2018; by midsummer 2020 I was out. Three years later I made my first semipro sale. I'm still laboring in the indie short story market, but I've made some connections over the last year or two that may pay off in the long run. We shall see. I'll always be writing; I just don't know if I'll ever make any real money from it.

Here are some fun excerpts from the email that made me jump ship, if that interests you.

The horrific acts of violence and racism against Black lives in the US, around the world, and in our HQ hometown of Toronto highlighted the importance of our continued dedication to lift Black voices, share Black stories, and stand up against racism, against white supremacy, and against injustice. To help us do so, and to understand how we as a program and as a platform can help serve the Black community better, we hosted a private office hours, as a starting point, for our Black writers.

Yes, they had racially segregated Zoom sessions. Or maybe they were Skype, I disremember.

Of the many things that were discussed, the most pertinent issues raised were:
  1. Lack of trust between Stars and Wattpad HQ due to inaction around safety, reform and support
  2. Inadequate promotion, visibility, and representation of marginalized Stars across Wattpad and its writer programs
  3. Friction between marginalized and privileged Stars
  4. Microaggressions and tone policing within the Stars program
  5. Editorial accountability across Wattpad
"Safety" was threatened because of the occasionally unacceptable things people would say in the forums, which were ultimately completely shuttered. "Stars" were Wattpad writers who had distinguished themselves with popularity or some other measure of success. Yes, I was one of them, which is why I got this email -- I'm pretty sure they knew I was a gross straight white ... er Indian male, but if they'd known how straight and white and male they might have refrained from the offer.

While diversity and inclusion has always been a meaningful part of Wattpad, we recognize that our past efforts were ad-hoc and not comprehensive throughout our product and business practices. To address this, we’ve created a D&I Leadership Group to ensure we address anti-oppression issues holistically - on our platform, in our community, in our content, across our brand, and company culture. The group will ensure there is dedicated investment and effort for diversity & inclusion initiatives across the business strategy. Here’s a visualization of how different parts of the organization will work together to tackle key D&I issues.

I attended exactly one of the sessions run by this D&I group -- I believe it was a couple of weeks before this email went out -- and I dipped out the moment it went from lowkey struggle session to braindead group therapy with the chirpy question, "Introduce yourself and tell us your superpower!" Yech.

  1. Microaggressions and tone policing within the Stars program

What we’re doing:
  • CCD [the Content and Conduct Department] has worked together to revise our Writer Programs Discord guidelines to remove language that creates a culture of toxic positivity. We have also included questions to consider before posting so that the conversation can move forward in a productive way. As we continue our own mindfulness journey as people and staff, we ask that you practice mindfulness in your posts.
  • The Stars team will also rework the Values Agreement to add more specificity and clarity around expectations from both Wattpad and Stars alike.
Even now I'm not 100% on what all of this gibberish meant. I can tell you the "Values Agreement" was the true final straw, as I refused to sign it and requested they drop me from the Paid and Stars programs, like, yesterday.

  • Regarding the category of Urban Fiction, CCD is currently consulting with members of BLM Canada about the correct labelling nomenclature to use instead of this loaded term.

Just throwing this one in there because I forgot about it and rereading it made me laugh so hard I just snarfed iced coffee.

  • Community Wellness is hiring an external consultant to help Wattpad move from a neutral platform that supports free expression to one that takes an anti-oppression stance. This work includes a re-evaluation of our Content and Conduct guidelines, as well as consultation on screening criteria and sensitivity training for Ambassadors [Ambassadors were volunteers who would run various communities and do other outreach between readers and writers]. These new guidelines will inform any changes to moderation philosophy and will be optimized for anti-oppression over free expression.

This was earlier in the email, but I wanted to close out with it because this was when I decided I would no longer participate in this madness in even the most cursory way.

I hope you all found this interesting or at least amusing. I don't have a lot more tea to spill on Wattpad, and my knowledge is five years out of date at this point anyway, and it may well be a different platform. I know they were bought out by or partnered with Webtoon at some point, but I'm not really clear on what Webtoon even is.
 
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Yes, they had racially segregated Zoom sessions. Or maybe they were Skype, I disremember.
2020, right? Oh, this explains... a lot of stuff I encountered with agents. Literally some of them would tell you they were only looking for PoC authors. Bro I'm having flashbacks.
Yes, I was one of them, which is why I got this email -- I'm pretty sure they knew I was a gross straight white ... er Indian male, but if they'd known how straight and white and male they might have refrained from the offer.
So you actually had to fudge your race. Damn man. I had suspected it was this bad, bit I never had proof. Holy fuck.
I hope you all found this interesting or at least amusing. I don't have a lot more tea to spill on Wattpad, and my knowledge is five years out of date at this point anyway, and it may well be a different platform. I know they were bought out by or partnered with Webtoon at some point, but I'm not really clear on what Webtoon even is.
Dude this was incredible. Thank you.
 
So you actually had to fudge your race. Damn man. I had suspected it was this bad, bit I never had proof. Holy fuck.

No no, don't mistake me -- I was just leaning into the Mola Ram joke. Sometimes I play up the screenname, sometimes I don't. They knew my real name and I might have even sent in a headshot at one point. They knew what I was. I don't remember if I volunteered my sexuality, but if they ever asked I certainly answered honestly.

However, I absolutely had to fudge my politics. Which is fine, really; my writing is apolitical because I kvetch about politics enough in my real life that I don't like to deal with it in my writing. But man, when you're writing a fantasy story that partly takes place in a brothel and some of your readers are claiming to be triggered by the word "whore," it was awfully hard not to let the mask slip.

I don't think I really realized how much trouble I was in until I attended Wattcon (I think covid permanently killed their con, and I only attended because it was being held in my hometown) and I cracked the tiniest joke over the con worker who offered me the jar of pronoun buttons. "Oh, I don't think anyone'll have a problem seeing I'm a guy." Oh, the masklike smile. Oh, the stony eyes.

Dude this was incredible. Thank you.

Glad you enjoyed it. Strictly speaking I don't think I'm supposed to share that email with anyone, but fuckit, it's been five years and I don't really care. I probably should have leaked it to James Lindsay or someone when anybody cared.

As I recall the timeline, I do have to chuckle at the fact that I was posting here the whole time I was on Wattpad. If they only knew!
 
I learned that the Paolini hater community is still active after moving from Livejournal, so I checked out how life goes for people who have spent more than a decade hating a mediocre writer.

I used to be on one of those Eragon/Inheritance forums way way back, although it wasn't the anti site. I was wondering how come big studios never picked up Eragon again after things like How to Tame Your Dragon and Game of Thrones were successful. I'm guessing the guy doesn't have the right connections, but it would be total Netflix adaptation fodder now.
 
I used to be on one of those Eragon/Inheritance forums way way back, although it wasn't the anti site. I was wondering how come big studios never picked up Eragon again after things like How to Tame Your Dragon and Game of Thrones were successful. I'm guessing the guy doesn't have the right connections, but it would be total Netflix adaptation fodder no

Supposedly Disney+ is working on a reboot as we speak, or at least Paolini said so earlier this year.

For those of you who are fans, I am sorry to report the monkey's paw has curled one of its innumerable fingers yet again.
 
Sadly, no. The whole reason it became a published book and movie franchise is because on Wattpad it accrued, literally, over one billion reads. It might have gone over two billion, I'm not sure. As awful as it is, as terrible its craft and its message, it was hugely popular. When it was on a free-to-read platform, anyway.

Important note, however: the original version of the story wasn't just a retarded and toxic college romance. The original version was a self-insert celebrity fanfic where Totally Not Anna Todd As a College Freshman is swept off her feet by Harry Styles. Obviously, that was not going to fly in any sort of profitmaking medium, and so he was changed to the slightly more generic "Hardin Scott." I do remember some Wattpad fangirls squeeing over the possibility that Harry would play Hardin in the movie, because the average Wattpadder is much too dumb to understand why Harry Styles would avoid this thing like a rabbit avoiding a pack of wolves.
I hate these stories and movies with such generic titles, it makes it damn near impossible to search for. Anyway, below spoiler are the videos I followed diving into "After."

There were 5.

FUCKING 5 of these damn movies!


Amanda the Jedi also went over the movies...

But oh! We're not done yet.

The after series? GOT A PARODY.

Do you still have hope? Well the parody, STILL GOT A SEQUEL.

Everything I hear, Harry Styles seems like a decent dude all things considering what he had to go through. But man, some day he needs to answer for the horrors he unwittingly inflicted upon humanity.
 
No no, don't mistake me -- I was just leaning into the Mola Ram joke. Sometimes I play up the screenname, sometimes I don't. They knew my real name and I might have even sent in a headshot at one point. They knew what I was. I don't remember if I volunteered my sexuality, but if they ever asked I certainly answered honestly.
I get you man
However, I absolutely had to fudge my politics. Which is fine, really; my writing is apolitical because I kvetch about politics enough in my real life that I don't like to deal with it in my writing. But man, when you're writing a fantasy story that partly takes place in a brothel and some of your readers are claiming to be triggered by the word "whore," it was awfully hard not to let the mask slip.
People actually get mad about the word whore, in a whore house? My word. Also yeah. I know the feeling about lying about politics. Did that quite a bit.
I don't think I really realized how much trouble I was in until I attended Wattcon (I think covid permanently killed their con, and I only attended because it was being held in my hometown) and I cracked the tiniest joke over the con worker who offered me the jar of pronoun buttons. "Oh, I don't think anyone'll have a problem seeing I'm a guy." Oh, the masklike smile. Oh, the stony eyes.
Dude that sucks. People need to take a fucking joke.
Glad you enjoyed it. Strictly speaking I don't think I'm supposed to share that email with anyone, but fuckit, it's been five years and I don't really care. I probably should have leaked it to James Lindsay or someone when anybody cared.

As I recall the timeline, I do have to chuckle at the fact that I was posting here the whole time I was on Wattpad. If they only knew!
Eh, they deserve it. Anyone that's been through the process "knows" this stuff, but it's refreshing to hear that they just fucking say "yeah we hate White guys and throw anything remotely edgy, challenging, or thoughtful in the shredder".
 
People actually get mad about the word whore, in a whore house?

I recall asking the commenter what word they would prefer I use, and they said "Why not just call them dancers?" and it took every ounce of will I possessed not to answer, "Because they don't just dance. They fuck. Whores fuck. What part of 'these characters fuck in exchange for money' are you not getting?"

Bear in mind my story was marked 18+ readers only, explicit sex, explicit language, all that good shit. After it went into the Paid program I even had to submit it to a sensitivity reader, although thankfully they didn't request I cut anything (I always suspected they never actually finished it; the spiciest scene is about 600 pages in). I had no way to stop under-18s from reading it, but anyone who read it knew what they were in for.

Dude that sucks. People need to take a fucking joke.

Wattcon was my first exposure to taking pronouns super fucking seriously, and it was not a good first impression. I was astonished at how many people wore those stupid buttons.

It was also my first exposure to land acknowledgments, and brother, seeing a bunch of self-important Canadians make a land acknowledgment in an American city, of which I was a citizen and they were mere tourists, was both funny and infuriating. Happened in the con opening ceremonies too, and if I hadn't met some other locals who were pretty cool I probably would not have gone back the next day.

Eh, they deserve it. Anyone that's been through the process "knows" this stuff, but it's refreshing to hear that they just fucking say "yeah we hate White guys and throw anything remotely edgy, challenging, or thoughtful in the shredder".

I do feel that this is more of a snapshot in time than whistleblowing. Wattpad's culture changed a great deal after I left as they continued to make it harder and harder for users to communicate with each other. First the forums were shut down, then the ability to send direct messages. It all began to feel very atomized, and maybe this was a tacit acknowledgment that as nuts as the company was, the userbase could be even crazier.

I vividly remember the user who was insistent that Wattpad allow readers to report stories for hate speech. In fairness to Wattpad, this was not something they ever really responded to, unless it was Elders of Zion or Turner Diaries level of bigoted (and, hilariously, such things did show up from time to time), although that likely changed at least temporarily after summer 2020 and the refocusing that email describes. However, this particular user wanted it to be a flaggable offense if a story employed "white savior tropes."

Bye bye, To Kill a Mockingbird!
 
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