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holyhandgrenade said:
"Serious Literature" with leather clad dominatrixes wielding their pain kink dildos. Definitely not any weirder than the shit that lady who customizes her porn books writes.
ETA: He starts huffing his own farts and thinking he's the next Ayn Rand around book 4 though
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Temple of the Winds is the best book in the series and it's not even close.

Every book except for Temple of the Winds devolves into some character somewhere is putting on a collar. But Temple of the Winds is the only one where the villain is actually creative. The Chimes are fucking terrifying and anyone who says otherwise has no imagination.

The books fall to shit after that.
 
This User said:
Temple of the Winds is the best book in the series and it's not even close.

Every book except for Temple of the Winds devolves into some character somewhere is putting on a collar. But Temple of the Winds is the only one where the villain is actually creative. The Chimes are fucking terrifying and anyone who says otherwise has no imagination.

The books fall to shit after that.
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I'm always skeptical of these book series that have over a dozen entries. Can the story really be that good if it goes on for that long? It seems like it becomes a chore to read, like Wheel of Time,
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I'm always skeptical of these book series that have over a dozen entries. Can the story really be that good if it goes on for that long? It seems like it becomes a chore to read, like Wheel of Time,
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Say what you will, at least Larry Correia got his fantasy epic done in 6 books. (And so far I'm loving it)

Also respect to Sanderson who will do a set (like a trilogy) and them return to it later with a new set.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I'm always skeptical of these book series that have over a dozen entries. Can the story really be that good if it goes on for that long? It seems like it becomes a chore to read, like Wheel of Time,
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Yeah, Wheel of Time has a strong first six books, but they really start to drag after that. Robert Jordan's editor was his wife and she just couldn't say no to all the tertiary and even quaternary characters getting their own plot threads. I'm not a fan of Brandon Sanderson's writing style or his interpretation of some characters, but I do appreciate he managed to wrap everything up. Jordan completely lost the plot by book ten and only started to recover it by book eleven when he knew he was dying.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I'm always skeptical of these book series that have over a dozen entries. Can the story really be that good if it goes on for that long? It seems like it becomes a chore to read, like Wheel of Time,
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It's far far worse as a series than Wheel of Time. Imagine Wheel of Time, but the point is to have a traditional chad hero whose like a based libertarian. Also theres a lot of like anti-communist and anti-eastern symbolism thats rather hamfisted and bdsm-driven, it's hilarious.

But it is nice to have a hero who is purely a hero, and the first 4 books aren't so bad. I would say book 4 is the stand out one, Temple of the Winds. The big bads in that book, the Chimes, are fucking terrifying. They're somewhere inbetween a non-sentient devil and a black hole of life and magic, it's like a tear into Hell. But being a function of Hell they also have like... proximity based effects on people? Basically you don't see the vortex or whatever they truly are, you see like a beaming God who radiates like the sun, or you hear your missing wife's voice calling you into the woods, etc.

If you want a genuinely epic series, read like The Black Prism by Brent Weeks or something, those are pretty creative and well written. Terry Goodkind is lolbertarian Robert Jordan, and that's being generous. Don't get me wrong I like Terry and he's not the worst, but he's not good enough to be among the best, and people hate him.

Better quality than something like Icewind Dale or Drizzt, but not nearly as good as Wheel of Time, Stormlight Archives, or Black Prism.
 
Flexo said:
Say what you will, at least Larry Correia got his fantasy epic done in 6 books. (And so far I'm loving it)

Also respect to Sanderson who will do a set (like a trilogy) and them return to it later with a new set.
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Sanderson has no idea how to end a series. That's why all of the endings are open ended. His endings are atrocious.
Edit: @This User yeah but the chimes were a fucking a demon chicken, oh yeah and then his wife gets kidnapped and raped again repeat ad nauseum
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I'm always skeptical of these book series that have over a dozen entries. Can the story really be that good if it goes on for that long?
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The Aubrey-Maturin series is 20 books (plus the unfinished 21st) and I never get tired of rereading it. Most of Discworld is good if you ignore the last few books that were almost certainly ghostwritten. The main Malazan series is 10 books but reaches a couple dozen if you count everything in the setting. I admit these are exceptions that prove the rule though.

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Stormlight Archives,
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I'm really hesitant to recommend this to people now after that last disaster of a book.
 
Greedy Fly said:
I'm really hesitant to recommend this to people now after that last disaster of a book.
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Oh, I'm not caught up, sad to hear that you didn't like it.

I tend to ignore criticism of Sanderson from the internet because it's a bunch of commies who want a fat black woman to write diverse stories LOL
So I'm kind of cut off from like what people think just because I don't trust the sort of soyboys on Youtube and Reddit

But if you didn't like it that's a bummer, I trust Farmers.

holyhandgrenade said:
Sanderson has no idea how to end a series. That's why all of the endings are open ended. His endings are atrocious.
Edit: @This User yeah but the chimes were a fucking a demon chicken, oh yeah and then his wife gets kidnapped and raped again repeat ad nauseum
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The chicken is just a hallucination/apparition because they aren't entities with a form. The actual Chimes are like a tear into the Underworld that just drains life and magic. People go insane near them because reality is breaking down, and they seem to have some kind of simplistic will. But that will is usually only to get you to kill yourself. They're absolutely terrifying.

Plus you can't really complain about someone being kidnapped and forced into a collar in Sword of Truth, that's literally the whole series. Out of 12 books, collars or kidnapping are in 9 of them. :lol:
 
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Dragged Into Sunlight said:
I'm always skeptical of these book series that have over a dozen entries. Can the story really be that good if it goes on for that long? It seems like it becomes a chore to read, like Wheel of Time,
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If it’s one continuous story then probably not. When you have more dramatic characters than War & Peace then it’s probably time to put down the pen.

But there are some series that have a bajilion books but they’re all self contained stories, just set in the same world with usually the same main characters. Those can be nice if you don’t overdose them. And you can just skip the stinkers if you know which ones are usually considered bad.

Slough House, Harry Bosch or Gotrek & Felix stuff like that. If you find a series you like then you basically have an infinite source of literary comfort food
 
Greedy Fly said:
The Aubrey-Maturin series is 20 books (plus the unfinished 21st) and I never get tired of rereading it. Most of Discworld is good if you ignore the last few books that were almost certainly ghostwritten. The main Malazan series is 10 books but reaches a couple dozen if you count everything in the setting. I admit these are exceptions that prove the rule though.
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Discworld isn't a single story, but a series of interconnected one-offs. You can pretty much always pick up any Discworld book and it doesn't matter that much if you've never read any other Discworld book or even the books in that subseries. I'm guessing Aubrey-Maturin is similar in that while there is overall progress in the characters' careers and life, the books can work standalone. They're not like Wheel of Time, which is supposed to be one continuous story stretched into far too many books.
 
holyhandgrenade said:
Sanderson has no idea how to end a series. That's why all of the endings are open ended. His endings are atrocious.
Edit: @This User yeah but the chimes were a fucking a demon chicken, oh yeah and then his wife gets kidnapped and raped again repeat ad nauseum
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The ending of Mistborn was great
 
holyhandgrenade said:
I'm gonna disagree heartily friend. There were like two bad books leading up to the ending.
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I've still got the next two to read, but the first book had a great ending. It left some things open where the story can go, but wrapped up key character arcs and was overall quite satisfying.

I look forward to reading more, but I don't feel pressured to. Which IMO is perfect for how a book series should go.
 
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I tend to ignore criticism of Sanderson from the internet because it's a bunch of commies who want a fat black woman to write diverse stories LOL
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The only criticism I've ever seen of Sanderson online is that it's slop for 12 year olds written by a guy who's obviously only ever read manga.
 
This User said:
I tend to ignore criticism of Sanderson from the internet because it's a bunch of commies who want a fat black woman to write diverse stories LOL
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Yeah, I normally enjoy his stuff so you know this isn't the opinion of a dedicated hater. From what I gather, his old editor retired a while back. I don't know if he hired a new professional editor but the latest entry in the series feels like he decided listening to his reddit proofreaders ballwashers would be just as good. Cringe "everyone clapped" type scenes, lots of modern opinions and language instead of the autismo alien worldbuilding I signed up for, badly mishandling the dramatic stakes (the world is about to end but major characters are tootling around on personal fulfillment quests?). It was all very depressing to see.

He could probably still right the ship if he hires someone to smack him upside the head and demand rewrites, instead of consulting literal redditors who only care about the "correct" way to write "representation". But I'm going to avoid buying his stuff until I see it happen.
 
Boy_Blunder said:
written by a guy who's obviously only ever read manga.
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Given the state of current media that is not quite the pwn any more...

(If anything a lot of writers could learn some basic story craft from manga.)
 
Literature is saved: Another Harry Potter fanfic is getting traditionally published (or at least rumored).

The book is an adaptation of All The Young Dudes by ‘MsKingBean89’, a Harry Potter fanfic about the Marauders’ time at Hogwarts, featuring a love story between Sirius Black and Remus Lupin. The story, which is 526,969 words long, has a devoted online following, with almost twenty million hits on fanwork website Archive Of Our Own. Rumours were flying this week about the novel, and the figure of £2.5m has been bandied around - one rumour said that the auction had reached that amount, while another said that a £2.5m pre-empt had been rejected.
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I've never read it but I've heard about this fic. Apparently it's infamous for making the characters completely OOC and it has a huge fandom that hasn't even read the HP books lol. Imagine making millions from writing gay HP fanfiction.
 
homophobic fujoshi said:
Apparently it's infamous for making the characters completely OOC
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Probably why it is she's just changing their names to publish it.

Since it's pretty open about the fact it's just a reissued Harry Potter fanfiction, I wonder if that's actually toeing the legal line for Rowling to want to pursue. Seriously am sick of hearing of fanfics being published as "original stories".
 
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