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The author was a transwoman. She was doxed and outed by the Twitter troon hatemob. They care a whole lot about transwomen being safe from things like mean words, so if that means a transwoman may end up in actual, real danger, so be it.

I know we shitpost but I definitely don't advocate for a transwoman to be killed. They all seem to be complete utterly annoying PC police assholes and deformed unfortunate souls but I certainly don't want to see troons get murdered. If they die then good riddance but not murder

Calling them by their male name to annoy them is fine tho lmao
 
To call back to a book that was mentioned in the first pages of this thread, it got a more detailed summary as well as a bunch of glowing "early" reviews.
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Smashing the white patriarchy, one Disney princess at a time.
 
Ah. There was nothing like that in the book that review was for. It was just your typical high school story about bullying, friendship struggles, mental health and things like that. It does go into some dark territory, since there's talk of suicide and abusive relationships, but nothing that makes the author seem like a pervert for writing about it. The reviewer literally just thinks writing about a teenage girl at all makes you a pedo for some bizarre reason.
I don't understand this logic. If anything, it shows the creative range the author would go for and that's commendable!
 
Cinderella is so often willfully misunderstood by woke types. They insist she just waits around for a prince to rescue her, but that's not it. She is resigned to her abuse until she finds the strength in herself to stand up to the wicked stepmother. Once she does this and realizes she deserves a happier life, magical things occur before she even meets the prince. Cinderella as a character was someone who always remained kind and loving no matter how terribly those around her treated her. It's a story about overcoming abuse and being a better person than your abusers. Really not liking the notion of this book making her into a White Supreeeemacist. Make up some new Nazi Princess instead of shitting all over a good character.
 
Cinderella is so often willfully misunderstood by woke types. They insist she just waits around for a prince to rescue her, but that's not it. She is resigned to her abuse until she finds the strength in herself to stand up to the wicked stepmother. Once she does this and realizes she deserves a happier life, magical things occur before she even meets the prince. Cinderella as a character was someone who always remained kind and loving no matter how terribly those around her treated her. It's a story about overcoming abuse and being a better person than your abusers. Really not liking the notion of this book making her into a White Supreeeemacist. Make up some new Nazi Princess instead of shitting all over a good character.

As with all woke cultural vandalism, one must ask the question: would anyone give a wet shit about this story if it didn't involve an established character / setting / franchise? Invariably the new material is so strident, clumsy, or otherwise obnoxious that the answer is no, revealing the artist's intent to be nothing but creating agitprop.
 
To call back to a book that was mentioned in the first pages of this thread, it got a more detailed summary as well as a bunch of glowing "early" reviews.
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Smashing the white patriarchy, one Disney princess at a time.

That book sounds interesting in concept, but I think we all learned in this thread that these people can't write to save their lives.

Cinderella is so often willfully misunderstood by woke types. They insist she just waits around for a prince to rescue her, but that's not it. She is resigned to her abuse until she finds the strength in herself to stand up to the wicked stepmother. Once she does this and realizes she deserves a happier life, magical things occur before she even meets the prince. Cinderella as a character was someone who always remained kind and loving no matter how terribly those around her treated her. It's a story about overcoming abuse and being a better person than your abusers. Really not liking the notion of this book making her into a White Supreeeemacist. Make up some new Nazi Princess instead of shitting all over a good character.

There is noething wrong with being rescued, though. From a realistic approach, some people can't save themselves no matter how much they try until someone intervenes. I don't think this makes you weak, especially if you try to remain whole and optimist through it.

That's one thing that many woke writers and activists don't get about these characters and what they are supposed to portray. They complain that women have to be rescued in many stories and create new ones where the woman saves herself, fine. Except the character is rude, violent, and very resentful. Just take Disney's Snow White. She ends up lost in the forest and she tries to make the best of her situation. Cinderella still finds strength to be compassionate. I think the best moment of princesses is, imo, when Drew Barrymore's Cinderella looks at the stepmother and despite she can order to get her killed, she just says "I won't think of you ever again" and moves on.
 
There is noething wrong with being rescued, though. From a realistic approach, some people can't save themselves no matter how much they try until someone intervenes. I don't think this makes you weak, especially if you try to remain whole and optimist through it.
Oh no, of course not. I'm just saying that this idea radfems have that Cinderella is nothing but a damsel in distress and thus not a character for girls to see as a role model isn't backed up by the actual story.

That book sounds interesting in concept, but I think we all learned in this thread that these people can't write to save their lives.
Luckily for them, there's still a cult around that don't care one iota for things like 'proper plotting', 'character development' or 'writing above the level of a sixth grader'. Those things don't matter as much as skin color and sexuality.
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Gay and/or black girls deserve to be represented in books that are actually good. I know this book isn't out yet, but the fact everyone who got the advanced copies just gush over how the protagonist is black and not on any of the much more important aspects isn't filling me with confidence.

Speaking for myself, since I do belong to one of the minority groups these people love pandering towards, it's honestly just patronizing to see tripe like this be fawned over and then to be expected to love it, when often it's blatantly obvious the writer didn't think beyond "I'm going to have a book with [INSERT-MINORITY] in it!" If I want a book with "Muh Repreesentation", I have much better luck going for something published years and years ago, because then I actually get characters who happen to be a certain sexuality or skin-color, or what-have-you, instead of blank slates whose only trait is what they're being oppressed by. I remember reading several books as a kid with minority protagonists that were actually allowed to be something more than mouth-pieces, I feel bad for minority kids today who are mainly getting political pamphlets disguised as books. I don't understand why we're seeming to slide backwards when it comes to quality representation.
 
Gay and/or black girls deserve to be represented in books that are actually good. I know this book isn't out yet, but the fact everyone who got the advanced copies just gush over how the protagonist is black and not on any of the much more important aspects isn't filling me with confidence.
When something gets recommended purely based on representation and importance, then it's 100% guaranteed bad. Though it can be funny watching reviewers who aren't solely SJWs try and say nice things about something they really didn't like, but it was created by, say, a black woman, so they feel they can't be too negative. It becomes an exercise in reading between the lines, like all the euphemisms in old obituaries.

Speaking for myself, since I do belong to one of the minority groups these people love pandering towards, it's honestly just patronizing to see tripe like this be fawned over and then to be expected to love it, when often it's blatantly obvious the writer didn't think beyond "I'm going to have a book with [INSERT-MINORITY] in it!"
It sucks, it's true. Especially with this forced #ownvoices bullshit. So if a character is a minority of any kind, they're either a) written by someone who can't give them any flaws because they'll get torn to shreds about how terrible they are for stereotyping the character, or b) written by someone whose only qualification is membership in that group, not necessarily any talent, so the characters are either self-insert Mary Sues, or meant to be written as strong and empowered but always instead come off as entitled, mean and unlikable.

The future Cinderella story is a good example. Now, the idea that 200 years after she became a princess, the public version of her story has ossified from the version we know into a version where it's all about your clothes because after all, the prince only married her because he tracked her down via her shoe - that's an interesting idea of how society mythologises and makes traditions that are skewed from the truth. Not a bad starting point.

But then it has to be 'oh, if you're not picked, you disappear forever', and 'brave black lesbians are here to fight the patriarchy', and they'll undoubtedly lead a revolution that Cinderella's descendants were too frightened to do or something. Because the author is angry, and is holding a grudge, and isn't trying to build on a creative idea but write propaganda to fight in an ongoing war.

The book isn't guaranteed to be bad, though all signs point to, yes, it is, and is being fetishised by woke Beckys because black lesbians is triple oppression points. But there's absolutely no requirement for it to be good, because it ticks boxes. The characters can be one-note, but that's OK because black lesbians written by a black woman (who could also be gay). The story can waste ideas, but that's OK because black lesbians. The book as a whole can be terrible, but that's OK because black lesbians recolonising a white story and you're a racist, homophobic misogynist if you don't agree it's the best thing ever.

As an aside, there has to have started being cases of people writing books but using minorities as their pseudonyms, there just has to. Not people faking minority statuses for themselves, but just straight up a fictional person. Whether specific pen names like Francine Pascal and Ann M. Martin, or just hiding behind a black woman's photo supplied by their publisher, it must be happening, surely.
 
To call back to a book that was mentioned in the first pages of this thread, it got a more detailed summary as well as a bunch of glowing "early" reviews.
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Smashing the white patriarchy, one Disney princess at a time.

Without the forced woke I think this could be an interesting story.

I sometimes want to try my hand at something like this and see if anyone buys it. :lol:
 
Without the forced woke I think this could be an interesting story.

I sometimes want to try my hand at something like this and see if anyone buys it. :lol:

The built in market for this sort of tripe comes from YA librarians spending local property tax dollars. Unfortunately you probably need to get the book listed through Baker & Taylor so they'd buy it. And from what I understand you have to be a Big 5 pubbed author to get onto the platform.
 
Sorry to double post, but this is the most Big Brained Take about writing that I've seen in a while. If you write a character that is a kid, you are bad and creepy.
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Does she want only young girls to write about young girls? Because I can assure you, that is a horrible idea. It is beyond rare for a younger person to actually be a good writer. But hey, representation and #ownvoices is important!
That book sounds interesting in concept, but I think we all learned in this thread that these people can't write to save their lives.
Yeah, I love the concept of stories being set after the fairy tale characters are dead as an alternate take on things, but it's going to be a wokefest by someone using as many oppression points as possible.

Something I'd love to do is ghostwrite a wokefest for a black author who is sick of this shit too. Publish it, watch the praise roll in because 'OMG black lesbian Muslims written by a black lesbian Muslim!' only to announce it's actually a straight white woman who wrote it.

I really miss the days where it didn't matter who did the writing as long as the story was good and had a message behind it (or hell, was just a form of escapism), as opposed to now, where representation is everything.
 
Does she want only young girls to write about young girls? Because I can assure you, that is a horrible idea. It is beyond rare for a younger person to actually be a good writer. But hey, representation and #ownvoices is important!

Yeah, I love the concept of stories being set after the fairy tale characters are dead as an alternate take on things, but it's going to be a wokefest by someone using as many oppression points as possible.

Something I'd love to do is ghostwrite a wokefest for a black author who is sick of this shit too. Publish it, watch the praise roll in because 'OMG black lesbian Muslims written by a black lesbian Muslim!' only to announce it's actually a straight white woman who wrote it.

I really miss the days where it didn't matter who did the writing as long as the story was good and had a message behind it (or hell, was just a form of escapism), as opposed to now, where representation is everything.

Frankly, I think #ownvoices is a ploy by pampered white upperclass NYC women to keep the goddamn wogs in their ghettos, but heaven forbid you voice that opinion to the wrong people in the publishing industry.
 
Frankly, I think #ownvoices is a ploy by pampered white upperclass NYC women to keep the goddamn wogs in their ghettos, but heaven forbid you voice that opinion to the wrong people in the publishing industry.
yeah, you'll have Barry Goldblatt come after you.

Also, now that you mention it, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone but white women talk about how important #ownvoices is. I know someone who knows a guy who writes lesbian romances because he knows what it's like to fall in love with a woman but not a man, so it's easier. He got picked up by an LGBT publishing company apparently. But yes, people DEFINITELY care about #ownvoices and it's more important than anything.
 
yeah, you'll have Barry Goldblatt come after you.

Also, now that you mention it, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone but white women talk about how important #ownvoices is. I know someone who knows a guy who writes lesbian romances because he knows what it's like to fall in love with a woman but not a man, so it's easier. He got picked up by an LGBT publishing company apparently. But yes, people DEFINITELY care about #ownvoices and it's more important than anything.

One would think the hallmark of a great author is the ability to imagine different people with different lives and to then successfully articulate that into a story.

But nah. What makes great literature is just using a Self insert.
 
I looked up the author and compare the picture on the cover to the author pic

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Looks like someone’s overcompensating.

TBF, I can't entirely blame her. American Black Culture treat people with light-skin or mixed ancestry like shit if you don't 'prove' your 'authenticity.' Especially in school, where you can become an outcast for acting too 'white.'
 
One would think the hallmark of a great author is the ability to imagine different people with different lives and to then successfully articulate that into a story.

But nah. What makes great literature is just using a Self insert.

Although when you think about it... isn't that true? Classic literature almost always feel like self-insert power fantasies, but nobody cares because the supporting characters were able to hold the story up and gave the typically-bland main character something to do, kept them on a leash at times, too. That's the magician's secret, I believe, diverting your attention to something else going on while the self-insert did their thing that would come together in a nice pretty bow at the end. World-building helps, too, having a good idea for a world and you have to put a placeholder character in it so you can play around with it, and it just turns out to be yourself, in a way.
 
One would think the hallmark of a great author is the ability to imagine different people with different lives and to then successfully articulate that into a story.

But nah. What makes great literature is just using a Self insert.
“A writer needs three things: experience, observation, and imagination, any two of which, at times any one of which, can supply the lack of the others.”
-William Faulkner

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