yo, can we like go back to appliances that...work? - Environmental bullshit breaking things that didn't need fixing

[CaptainAutism69]

I have a dishwasher that leaves behind dirty dishes, a washing machine that takes three hours to wash and doesn't clean well, and a tumble dryer that doesn't dry.
All of them are new appliances thanks to moving to a new place.
All of them have A**** energy ratings.

The dishwasher doesn't wash because it's saving as much water as possible, the washing machine is trying to save on water and heat, the tumble dryer is...just tumbling really.

Environmental laws have brought us to the point that the appliances we buy, don't work, in the name of saving the environment.

It's bullshit

Enough

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Just move back in with your parents and let your mom take care of everything.

 

[Battlecruiser3000ad]

It's dire with vacuums in euristan. I got a workshop one for home use and got one for my parents too.

 

[Bloitzhole]

What settings and detergent are you using? These must be some weird ass machines if they don't have any settings besides the water saving low temp ones.
If you set your machines to the default "ECO" setting no matter what the state of your dishes/laundry, and also don't compensate by fx. adding a few drops of dishwashing detergent straight into the main chamber, you're gonna have a bad time but you're still the retard for being unable to operate a modern dishwasher/laundry machine.

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

And my George Foreman grill can't fight worth shit.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

I completely agree. My new stove takes literally forever to come to temp because it uses some sort of modulated heating in order to be "more efficient". I have also literally gone through 3 microwaves in the last 10 years. WTF happened to microwaves that they turned into complete shit? I remember my mother having the same damn microwave for almost 20 years. The shitification of appliances has become a major pet peeve of mine.

 

[Ashkenazi Porn Actress]

The shitification of appliances has become a major pet peeve of mine.

It's pretty much a combination of a) planned obsolescence, b) deliberate unrepairability, c) energy/water saving mandates and d) shoving electronics everywhere.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

It's dire with vacuums in euristan. I got a workshop one for home use and got one for my parents too.

and microwaves, which are all now shitty low power ones that don't match the instructions of microwaveable popcorn.
Vacuums are dogshit too. You used to be able to shove your dick into one and get a rip roaring suck off in seconds, now it's like a weak suggestion from your grandmother.
Are they really saving the world by making you run a washer twice, or forcing you to hoover for longer?

 

[BiggestKai]

For me it's the insistence on putting touch controls everywhere. Not even touch screens, just shitty capacitive touch areas where you're never sure if you just didn't touch it the right way or your finger might be too sweaty or if you need to hold touch something instead of just tap touch it or if the thing's out of power.
I love buttons. Give me back buttons. Fuck I bought a kindle recently for the first time and I absolutely love it except for the fact that I don't have buttons to turn the pages with.

 

[KittyGremlin]

shit like this makes me want to remove catalytic converter from my car simply out of spite

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

My new stove takes literally forever to come to temp

Have you heard about our lord and savior, natural gas?

Unless you're stuck with electric.

 

[Cougar Pump]

Are they really saving the world by making you run a washer twice, or forcing you to hoover for longer?

No, it's malign incentives. Government/Industry attempts to reduce energy use by pushing appliance manufacturers towards reduced appliance power usage. That approach breaks down when the appliances then do an inferior job and need to be run more often, with warmer water, or any other workaround the end user finds to compel the end result they needed from an appliance that is now not properly up to the job. On paper, mission accomplished. In practice, actually worse.

A lot of green initiatives are like this. For example: banning plastic straws and takeaway food containers. Great! But now you have cardboard versions of the same things that must be coated in PTFE to be fit for purpose. Now you have an unholy amount of composite materials entering your waste flows, that cannot be recycled at all and introduces unpredictable future problems as we're now starting to see the effects of 'forever chemicals' building up in our bodies.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

No, it's malign incentives. Government/Industry attempts to reduce energy use by pushing appliance manufacturers towards reduced appliance power usage. That approach breaks down when the appliances then do an inferior job and need to be run more often, with warmer water, or any other workaround the end user finds to compel the end result they needed from an appliance that is now not properly up to the job. On paper, mission accomplished. In practice, actually worse.

A lot of green initiatives are like this. For example: banning plastic straws and takeaway food containers. Great! But now you have cardboard versions of the same things that must be coated in PTFE to be fit for purpose. Now you have an unholy amount of composite materials entering your waste flows, that cannot be recycled at all and introduces unpredictable future problems as we're now starting to see the effects of 'forever chemicals' building up in our bodies.

And yet if you go somewhere like the UAE, you get plastic straws left right and centre, and plastic bags that actually hold shit and don't fall apart after one use. I have the same bag I've been using for 4 years now to haul around board games.

 

[Cougar Pump]

And yet if you go somewhere like the UAE, you get plastic straws left right and centre, and plastic bags that actually hold shit and don't fall apart after one use. I have the same bag I've been using for 4 years now to haul around board games.

Yeah my swim kit bag is one of those 'bag for life' things that cost ~20 cents over a decade ago and is still going strong. Also back in the 90s Safeway made green plastic tubs to cart shoppin home and they're fucking indestructible - Still using them around the house. They have cardboard bags with twisted cardboard handles for grocery shopping here now, and they seem to get only a single use then go straight into recycling or into people's wood burners for kindling. I doubt they're making the world a much better place despite the warm fuzzies when they were introduced.

The ideal is to have these things in a looping life cycle where they are eventually broken down in a controlled manner then the materials re-used for the same or other purposes. If you can't do that, the next best thing is unironically landfill. Putting carbon permanently back into the ground is one of the best options we have if you believe in climate change.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Just buy cloth grocery bags, I've had the same set I bought in some supermarket for 15 years and if they get dirty, you can just throw them in the washing machine. I recently bought a few new ones because I gave some away. They are also much easier to just stuff into some pocket and keep with you to have just in case.

Most of the appliances named need some maintenance/cleaning cycles to stay at top performance and it is rarely done by people. Your washing machine has a filter that is reachable and shoul be cleaned every six weeks, for example. Same for your dishwasher.
If yours don't, get better devices.

In microwaves if it is a real defect it's usually the magnetron breaking/the magnet developing cracks. Funnily, microwaves are very simple devices and easy to repair, it just can be dangerous if done poorly. Some people also slam the doors like mongolid gorillas and this can break the latch assembly which will keep the microwave from running. Might not even be obvious. Also usually fixable.

I said this often myself but when I think about it I'm actually not fully convinced modern appliances break inheriently quicker. Everyone knows a story of some fridge or oven or something being used since the 70s or 80s but that might be survivorship bias. The shitty fridge that broke down after three years in 1983 nobody remembers anymore. The ones still around were the really well built ones and there's gotta be a reason there's only few of such devices. The old device in question also most likely does not perform well anymore, especially compared to more modern devices. Not even talking power consumption. It also probably depends on what you buy. I'm old as fuck and appliances used to be expensive. Reduced prices gotta come from somewhere. If you're willing to shell out $800 for a microwave oven, you'll probably get one that lasts longer than three years, too. That's also why nobody repairs these new ones anymore, if you buy a microwave for 50 bucks, who can realistically repair it? What can he realistically charge for it? What can spare parts and their storage cost? Can't really be a thing in these price ranges. People need more money to buy better products.

 

[Mitt Doggy Dogg]

I wish I could have lived in the 1950s and 1960s things seemed so much better back then. Hell even the 1980s would have been a great time to live, I was still a kid in the 1980s but from what I remember things were a lot better then today.

 

[Bloitzhole]

My new stove takes literally forever to come to temp

Have you heard about our lord and savior, natural gas?

Unless you're stuck with electric.

Doesn't matter if he doesn't have gas at his location, induction is the fastest way to heat up anything and doesn't cost much money nor effort to put in. It's also a much more effective heat delivery system than standard electric so it pays for itself over time because you're using less power to get the same amount of heat - if your stove is shit, it's easy to invest in induction hobs, people would just rather complain than actually get off their ass and put something decent in themselves.

 

[Grotesque Bushes]

No, but multiple components will break in 2 years making repair unfeasible, and when you'll take the appliances to the dump they'll be cut apart to prevent something ionno. Now pay your carbon emission tax to take care of the environment.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

You mean you want a utility that performs its stated function and not a glorified Chinese spying machine?

I would write something snarky here but I'm having trouble thinking of something witty so fuck it.

 

[Ran-chan]

I have a washer and a dryer that are both 40+ years old. They both still work great, but I really miss features that more modern machines have, like low-heat drying and gentile cycles. Plus, a lot of the plastic components are really starting to degrade and come apart.

I said this often myself but when I think about it I'm actually not fully convinced modern appliances break inheriently quicker. Everyone knows a story of some fridge or oven or something being used since the 70s or 80s but that might be survivorship bias. The shitty fridge that broke down after three years in 1983 nobody remembers anymore. The ones still around were the really well built ones and there's gotta be a reason there's only few of such devices. The old device in question also most likely does not perform well anymore, especially compared to more modern devices. Not even talking power consumption. It also probably depends on what you buy. I'm old as fuck and appliances used to be expensive. Reduced prices gotta come from somewhere. If you're willing to shell out $800 for a microwave oven, you'll probably get one that lasts longer than three years, too. That's also why nobody repairs these new ones anymore, if you buy a microwave for 50 bucks, who can realistically repair it? What can he realistically charge for it? What can spare parts and their storage cost? Can't really be a thing in these price ranges. People need more money to buy better products.

hit the nail on the head. If you want nice shit you gotta spend money on it. The reason why your Grandpa's shit from the 50s is so nice is that the only stuff that survived is the expensive shit that people cared about and took care of.