yo, can we like go back to appliances that...work? - Environmental bullshit breaking things that didn't need fixing

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I bought a commercial clothes washer that lets me manually select how much water it uses. If I want it will fill that bitch all the way up to the splash rim like God intended. I let it run on auto the first time and my clothes were still soapy and the oxyclean hadn't even dissolved, there were just mildly damp granules of it clinging to the walls and my clothes. It took three full runs to get rid of the granules and I was ready to take it back and just pay literally whatever it took to fix the old one but thankfully it had the manual controls. The medium setting, which only fills the tumbler up about a third of the way, is usually plenty of water, which I feel says something about how little water it uses on automatic. It's only when I put in a comical amount of clothing that I definitely shouldn't be doing in one load that I feel like I should probably set it to high, and the max fill setting, as glorious as it is, is completely overkill for anything.

My dishwasher is about 25 years old and I'm dreading the day I need to replace it. It's already not great, so I can't imagine how awful they are nowadays

For my personal old man yelling at clouds rant, paint these days is fucking awful. I believe it was during the Obama days that the EPA had an edict that paint manufacturers had to reduce their CO2 output to the tune of about an average of 30% per gallon of what was the standard at the time. I can't put this one all on the EPA though because I have a feeling the manufacturer's like it like this too. The price of paint went up by about 50% and there just isn't a product that exists that will reliably cover in one coat if you're doing more than changing slightly different shades of the same color, and if it's a significant change you're lucky if it covers in three. So now whenever you're painting something it's pretty much a guarantee that you're going to have to buy 70-80% more paint, at a higher price even before accounting for inflation, than you would have in the 2000s. I don't know how much they actually reduced emissions by, but assuming they hit the bare minimum reduction, 70%*1.7=about 120% of the original CO2 required to create a gallon of paint that would have just done the job the first time around which is awful for the customers hiring painters
 
I have a 7 year old combo washer/dryer I was really blown away by how well it worked when it was new, sometimes needs an extra spin on the dryer cycle now. I just consider myself lucky for it have lasted so long tbqh.

I can't complain about how modern stuff works but I really don't expect anything to work for long.
hit the nail on the head. If you want nice shit you gotta spend money on it. The reason why your Grandpa's shit from the 50s is so nice is that the only stuff that survived is the expensive shit that people cared about and took care of.
True for older stuff not really true for modern stuff, you pay extra for the exact same mechanical components only they're hooked up to the fucking internet or a mobile phone app for no discernible reason.
 
True for older stuff not really true for modern stuff, you pay extra for the exact same mechanical components only they're hooked up to the fucking internet or a mobile phone app for no discernible reason.
I mean sure if you're just grabbing the most expensive washer they have at Best Buy or whatever but if you want nice appliances in 2024 you kind of have to go the commercial or semiprofessional route. Best way to buy appliances is to find the stuff designed to take daily abuse and doesn't have to meet BS home appliance efficiency requirements.
 
hit the nail on the head. If you want nice shit you gotta spend money on it. The reason why your Grandpa's shit from the 50s is so nice is that the only stuff that survived is the expensive shit that people cared about and took care of.
I mostly agree, but it's worth noting that there is no 'taking care of' a modern appliance. Your grandfather could replace the component parts trivially, or at least get it done at an appliance store. When a single circuit board fries on a new appliance, it's essentially worthless to the point that even the manufacturer tells you "lmao just buy a new one".
 
Whiteware is designed to have a useful life of 8 years - source know engineers that design them.

They also say that if you can find a dryer from the 80s to buy it. They were built to be indestructible and given the basics of old dryers don't really have any weakpoints.

Older devices just have far fewer parts to go wrong. A fridge would be what the compressor and seals? A dishwasher the motor and pump.
Now there is all the unneeded stuff plus electronics and pcbs in a wet/humid environment and lower quality materials used. They could make them more durable, but margins matter and ultimately the price these days is a pittance compared to stuff from the 70s and 80s.
 
Doesn't matter if he doesn't have gas at his location, induction is the fastest way to heat up anything and doesn't cost much money nor effort to put in. It's also a much more effective heat delivery system than standard electric so it pays for itself over time because you're using less power to get the same amount of heat - if your stove is shit, it's easy to invest in induction hobs, people would just rather complain than actually get off their ass and put something decent in themselves.
Eh, will still take gas over induction any day. If anything for more uses than strictly placing a pan on for cooking.

But yeah, people in general are just lazy.

Just look at how relatively easy furnaces are to maintain, and yet techs make money on dumb service calls to replace the HSI or clean a flame sensor.
 
I mean sure if you're just grabbing the most expensive washer they have at Best Buy or whatever but if you want nice appliances in 2024 you kind of have to go the commercial or semiprofessional route. Best way to buy appliances is to find the stuff designed to take daily abuse and doesn't have to meet BS home appliance efficiency requirements.
I Worked at a place where we had a commercial grade unit, I was on first name terms with the repair tech (who worked for the washing machine company not us), chill dude.

Most commercial units aren't much better than domestic just bigger, hell it's easier to sell servicing and repairs to a company than it is to a private user.
 
I mostly agree, but it's worth noting that there is no 'taking care of' a modern appliance. Your grandfather could replace the component parts trivially, or at least get it done at an appliance store. When a single circuit board fries on a new appliance, it's essentially worthless to the point that even the manufacturer tells you "lmao just buy a new one".
And a lot of times even if you do get something fixed another piece will break and you're back to square 1. It shows just how performative all this environmentalist crap really is.

You can't tell me these new appliances full of electronics that break in less than a decade and inevitably wind up in a landfill are better for the environment than the older ones that lasted decades and could be repaired when broken. FFS KingCobraJFS' green stove is still working perfectly after 50 years in a low-income apartment complex.

But then again these same people wore and still wear those stupid masks that take hundreds of years to break down and wind up in the oceans killing wildlife.
 
The General Electric fridge i have in my apartment is older than me, my parents bought the thing in the 80s and it keeps working good as new, it has survived countless blackouts and surges no problem. I am scared for the day it craps out , you are lucky if you get five years out of the new pieces of shit chinesium fridges that are being made nowadays.
 
The General Electric fridge i have in my apartment is older than me, my parents bought the thing in the 80s and it keeps working good as new, it has survived countless blackouts and surges no problem. I am scared for the day it craps out , you are lucky if you get five years out of the new pieces of shit chinesium fridges that are being made nowadays.
Sadly I had to retire my fridge (which according to papers I found stashed here my grandfather bought in 1971) because the latest of the inside plastics breaking was the freezer door.
Still have and use this really nifty 70s east german electric grill which will probably outlive me, really simple thing without even an on/off switch.
 
Eh, will still take gas over induction any day. If anything for more uses than strictly placing a pan on for cooking.
Not knocking gas at all - when I moved into my current apt I immediately put in 2 gas burners for constant heat at the "just right" level and 2 induction spots for heating up water and sauces as fast as possible. Best of both worlds.
 
  1. Do you wash your dishes by hand before putting them in the dishwasher or do you scrape the solid stuff into the trash before putting it in the machine? Modern day dishwasher detergents are engineered to work with food particles to get your dishes clean.
  2. Do you live in an apartment or a house? Your dryer might be one of those ventless ones that do indeed take forever to dry because they're made to trap all the excess moisture and lint instead of simply blowing it outside. Your clothes washer may be designed to work with your ventless dryer.
  3. If you don't have a ventless dryer, you may want to have your electrical supply checked. Most clothes dryers run on 220 volts of electricity. 110 volts goes towards the spinny part and the other 110 volts goes towards running the heater. It is possible for the dryer to run without the heater getting the electricity it needs. Dryers also have thermal cutoffs built into them in case they get too hot. Your dryer will spin but no heat. Same thing happens when the heater itself gets burnt out. You might want to have a tech look at it.
 
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have a dishwasher that leaves behind dirty dishes, a washing machine that takes three hours to wash and doesn't clean well, and a tumble dryer that doesn't dry.
All of them are new appliances thanks to moving to a new place.
All of them have A**** energy ratings.

The dishwasher doesn't wash because it's saving as much water as possible, the washing machine is trying to save on water and heat, the tumble dryer is...just tumbling really.
The 19th effectively did away with effective dishwashers sigh....................
 
Most of the appliances named need some maintenance/cleaning cycles to stay at top performance and it is rarely done by people. Your washing machine has a filter that is reachable and shoul be cleaned every six weeks, for example. Same for your dishwasher.
About 7 years ago, the dishwasher in the former marital home stopped working and it was economically unviable to repair.

We replaced it with a cheap-ass dishwasher, and I made sure to maintain it regularly:
- clean the filters out weekly
- put a cup of white vinegar on the top shelf and run on the hottest setting monthly
- run a dishwasher cleaner through it twice a year

It ran great right up until we sold the house a few months ago. I'm assuming it'll eventually go bad as the new owners, like 99% of people, probably have no clue how or why to maintain their appliances.

Meanwhile the ex's dishwasher leaves a lovely coating of grit on many of her plates, which is attributable to all the limescale and other cruft that's accumulated in there over the years of use without any maintenance. Even after running my usual maintenance routine and descaling the machine twice, it still leaves shit on at least 1-2 dishes every load.

It also helps to wipe heavily soiled dishes and cutlery with a paper towel before putting them in the dishwasher.

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My washing machine is a 2000s Fisher & Paykel top loader that a friend gave me when Mrs Pee and I split up. I know front loaders use less water and the good ones do a better job of washing clothes, but the only thing at risk of having to write it off is if the main circuit board ever goes bad. That said, I have the skills to diagnose electronic faults and repair many of them, and most of the time with this sort of stuff it's just bad capacitors or solder joints.

If you can get your hands on an old-timey Speed Queen top loader, do it. I regret getting rid of our old one and replacing it with an Asko front loader about 15 years ago (which worked great when it worked but only lasted 5 years... overpriced POS that was).
 
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  1. Do you wash your dishes by hand before putting them in the dishwasher or do you scrape the solid stuff into the trash before putting it in the machine? Modern day dishwasher detergents are engineered to work with food particles to get your dishes clean.
  2. Do you live in an apartment or a house? Your dryer might be one of those ventless ones that do indeed take forever to dry because they're made to trap all the excess moisture and lint instead of simply blowing it outside. Your clothes washer may be designed to work with your ventless dryer.
  3. If you don't have a ventless dryer, you may want to have your electrical supply checked. Most clothes dryers run on 220 volts of electricity. 110 volts goes towards the spinny part and the other 110 volts goes towards running the heater. It is possible for the dryer to run without the heater getting the electricity it needs. Dryers also have thermal cutoffs built into them in case they get too hot. Your dryer will spin but no heat. Same thing happens when the heater itself gets burnt out. You might want to have a tech look at it.
Why in the world of jesus titty fucking christ would I wash dishes by hand before putting them in the fucking dishwasher? I may be retarded but I'm not a fucking retard. Like the whole point of a dishwasher is to put dirty stuff in, and have it come out clean. Even if I was a cretin and washed them before putting them in, I would still expect them to be...clean when the cycle finished.

I live in a brand new apartment in Europe with a proper electrical supply, not some wooden framed shit in bumfuck nowhere.

The problem is not me, but the fact that these pieces of shit are trying to do the job with half the water, and at as low a temp as possible. The tumble dryer (which is venting outside), may as well be trying to use natural evap for all the good it does. I remember the good old days where shit was heated to hell and back.
 
WTF happened to microwaves that they turned into complete shit?
Don't buy black friday appliances. July-August are almost the only safe time to buy microwaves.
The reason is that even though it says hamilton bitch on the microwave, it's from secondary Chinese slap shit together factory. Same thing with best buy home brands. Insignia? More like InSHITnia.

My local goodwill stopped selling microwaves. I used to be able to get a sharp that would last me five years, and then I'd landfill the fucker. (My roommate ruins the interior of microwaves)
My favorite microwave brand is ASIS, because like fuck I'm going to pay $100.
 
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Have you heard about our lord and savior, natural gas?

Unless you're stuck with electric.

Stuck with electric, unfortunately.

Do you live in an apartment or a house? Your dryer might be one of those ventless ones that do indeed take forever to dry because they're made to trap all the excess moisture and lint instead of simply blowing it outside. Your clothes washer may be designed to work with your ventless dryer.

They actually make a ventless dryer? That just sounds like a terrible idea.
 
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Most of the appliances named need some maintenance/cleaning cycles to stay at top performance and it is rarely done by people. Your washing machine has a filter that is reachable and shoul be cleaned every six weeks, for example. Same for your dishwasher.
I haven't come across this on a top-loading washing machine yet. I'm sure there's some that have this deal going, but as far as I've seen this seems to be a front-loading washing machine issue only. Obviously, yes, for dishwashers, you're screwed.
They actually make a ventless dryer? That just sounds like a terrible idea.
Yeah, they run for two or three hours instead of one, backwashing the hot air within the machine, while pushing moist lint ripped off your clothes as they turn round for three times as long as a real drier into a bizarro filter pack that slides out of the machine.
 
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