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You can't tell the truth about the Holocaust in Poland. Could that happen in the US?​

Cautionary examples loom in other countries, especially Poland where it is now against the law for its citizens to speak the truth about Poles' complicity in the Holocaust.​


In the name of protecting young minds, book bans have swept an unprecedented number of titles off shelves in U.S. schools and spurred legislation in multiple states to bar teaching anything that could cause a student to feel “guilt, anguish or other forms of psychological distress for actions … committed in the past.”

On the other end of the political spectrum, a national survey of roughly 1,500 faculty members at four-year colleges and universities found that 72% of conservative faculty said they fear being fired if someone misunderstands their words.

These actions raise the questions: Who gets to define objectionable content, and where is this all heading? Will it result in a single permissible curriculum or a mandated version of U.S. history that librarians, teachers and professors must adhere to or risk discipline or dismissal? Will the chilling effect on publishers over the long term curtail circulation and reprints of banned books?


It's against the law to tell the truth about the Holocaust in Poland​

Cautionary examples loom in other countries, especially Poland where it is now against the law for its citizens to speak the truth about Poles’ complicity in the Holocaust.

In the 1980s, the trade union Solidarity and the Catholic Church brought down Soviet communism, and Poland developed a bustling market economy and built pillars of democracy allowing free expression. Poles were finally able to take a fresh look at their own history after decades of communist-controlled textbooks and monuments that described everyone killed in World War II as victims of fascism, denying the Holocaust.


Generations grew up not knowing that Jews had ever lived in their communities or that German Nazis had targeted them for systematic, industrial genocide, along with other minorities.

During that quarter-century of openness, journalists and academics accessed archives of records and testimony, producing a significant body of research that suggests that while thousands of Poles risked their lives to help Jews, thousands also participated in the Holocaust. These findings have been very difficult if not impossible for many Poles to accept.


In 2015, the right-wing Law and Justice Party came to power, channeling desires for national pride and heroes. Three years later, the government implemented a law steeped in grievance over how Poland’s World War II history is described. The 2018 memory law forbids any expression describing complicity by Poland in the Holocaust.

That same year a massive study of such incidents was published in Poland, edited by Polish Canadian professor Jan Grabowski and Polish academic Barbara Engelking. The two volume, 1,640-page study detailed many wartime incidents of Polish Jews who died as a result of their countrymen betraying them to the Nazis or of Poles committing the murders themselves.

A government-backed organization sued the editors for libel, and a judge in Warsaw ruled against them in 2021. In a 37-page verdict, Judge Ewa Jonczyk said there was no issue with the truth of the passage of the book regarding whether a long dead mayor of a small town had taken actions that resulted in the deaths of Jews in hiding.

But she ruled that the editors nonetheless violated the right to a positive identity held by the niece of the late mayor, which put the right to national pride on a par with other basic legal rights.

What was written “can be construed as hurtful and striking at the feeling of identity and of national pride.” She went on to say that such accusations risk striking “against the feeling of national belonging and provokes a feeling of harm.”

An appeals court overruled the verdict by the Warsaw judge, but history remains a political battlefield. The government is now cutting funding for historians’ research it disagrees with. Classroom teachers worry about running afoul of the government’s allowed narrative of World War II history.

Governments use 'memory laws' to control how history is discussed​

Memory laws, government actions that assert a mandatory view of historical events, are nothing new. West Germany criminalized Holocaust denial in the mid-1980s. Turkey made it a crime to insult "Turkishness" in 2005.

Frequently, such laws are used by totalitarian regimes such as Russia for self-purposes.

The United States does not seem removed from the politicization of memory. The final report released in 2021 of the President’s Advisory 1776 Commission called for a “patriotic education” and supported Donald Trump’s call for a new pro-American curriculum.

The report drew sharp criticism from historians. But pitched battles over book bans and acceptable historical narratives taught in schools and universities still rage.

Looking at Europe’s examples should be instructive. The land of the free and the home of the brave should make room for the truth to be told in the classroom and in the town square.

Judy Rakowsky is the author of “Jews in the Garden.”
 
If someone ran on the campaign promise that they'd throw anyone who breathed a word about the holocaust into an oven, I'd vote for them.

At this point I've gone beyond fatigue, beyond apathy, well into the realm of outright spite and disgust because these niggers won't shut the actual fuck up about it. They'll cause another Holocaust at this rate just to get them to shut the fuck up about the previous one.
 
I think we're reaching the limit of how long you can keep milking the Holocaust and expect people to care. The Rwandans had a far worse genocide relative to the population and they've done nothing but go after the guilty for their crimes. I guess there's no grievance industry in Africa.

Basically everyone involved is now dead (or, well, was already during the OG event) and those alive were so young at the time it's not like they have meaningful memories of it.
 
I think we're reaching the limit of how long you can keep milking the Holocaust and expect people to care. The Rwandans had a far worse genocide relative to the population and they've done nothing but go after the guilty for their crimes. I guess there's no grievance industry in Africa.
Agreed, there are far more articles out in the last few years from Jews kvetching how kids don't really give a shit about the Shoah now and that is a problem. It's almost as if once an event is removed from living memory and there is no physical attachment to it the event fades from the public conscious. We all remember the Napoleonic Wars and shit, but no one is going to cry over them. Jews seem to forget that time moves on and inevitably, the Shoah will be an even that happened centuries ago.

Who of course, remembers the Armenian Genocide today except Armenians?
 
Agreed, there are far more articles out in the last few years from Jews kvetching how kids don't really give a shit about the Shoah now and that is a problem. It's almost as if once an event is removed from living memory and there is no physical attachment to it the event fades from the public conscious. We all remember the Napoleonic Wars and shit, but no one is going to cry over them. Jews seem to forget that time moves on and inevitably, the Shoah will be an even that happened centuries ago.

Who of course, remembers the Armenian Genocide today except Armenians?
You can have an Armenian go in exact detail about their genocide and never once do they ask your for a tip. That’s how serious they are about it.
 
I wonder if the Jews in 50 years will still cry about the hall of costs.

The Armenians still cry about muh genocide 100 years later tho.
 
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I wonder if the Jews in 50 years will still cry about the hall of costs.

The Armenians still cry about muh genocide 100 years later tho.
The Jews are still pissed about getting rekt by the Romans 1,900 years ago so I wouldn't worry about that.

Seems like it must be a Semitic thing, the Arabs can't let go of the Crusades either.
 
The Jews are still pissed about getting rekt by the Romans 1,900 years ago so I wouldn't worry about that.

Seems like it must be a Semitic thing, the Arabs can't let go of the Crusades either.
But ask them about the Arab conquests and forced Islamisation of Byzantium, the Balkans, and North Africa to the Iberian Peninsula, and they'll say that was no big deal (or just drop mask and say "Allah willed it")
 
But ask them about the Arab conquests and forced Islamisation of Byzantium, the Balkans, and North Africa to the Iberian Peninsula, and they'll say that was no big deal (or just drop mask and say "Allah willed it")
But they will screech about the Reconquista and how the mosque of Cordoba was converted into a church and Muslims to this day are arrested for trying to pray there as a publicity stunt.
 
Nothing peaked me harder on the rats than stunts like this.
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They literally go out of their way to minimize the war crimes of the nazis, just so it can be all about them. They could over double the death toll if they included the goym, but that would minimize the grift. And after all, 1 goy life <<<<<< 1 choosen's life by their own admission. Just further proof of how much they hate you, and how much more you should hate them.

Hopefully number 110 comes within my lifetime.

Its even worse. Armenians call their genocide the "Armenian Holocaust" and claim to be the first genocide. This enrages some Jewish people.
 
I know for a fact Poles were rounded up and sent to camps. I know this because I was told the story of a Polish maid warned against going to mass at the local Catholic Church by the German family who retained her because it was well known among the population in the city the SS was rounding up Poles during services. This family had been relocated to Poland from the Baltics (as a result of Molotov-Ribbentrop). She went anyway and of course was taken for deportation. The mother sent her young daughter to the Reichskommissariat to demand her return because her mother was ill and needed her, and since they came from German nobility the girl already knew how to use it to intimidate. She was successful, and the maid was released to her with instructions to keep her at home. Afterward they made a huge fuss over her and refused to let her leave the home unaccompanied. They helped her and her family as much as they could despite being the dependents of a Wehrmacht officer.

Anecdotal I know but although the maid was fortunate, a very large number of Poles were not. Poles were rounded up, sent to camps and died just like jews since they were even lower Untermensch than Russians. The jews want you to forget this but fuck them. Countless jews collaborated with the Reich in exterminating jews and Soros is a good example but God forbid the Poles remind everyone they too were victims.
 
I wonder if the Jews in 50 years will still cry about the hall of costs.

The Armenians still cry about muh genocide 100 years later tho.
Niggers are still crying about slavery despite it ending nearly 200 years ago. I think we can expect holocaust kvetching to continue until the heat death of the universe.

Its even worse. Armenians call their genocide the "Armenian Holocaust" and claim to be the first genocide. This enrages some Jewish people.
This is very funny. I vote that we start calling every genocide a holocaust, just to piss off the jews.
 
I know for a fact Poles were rounded up and sent to camps. I know this because I was told the story of a Polish maid warned against going to mass at the local Catholic Church by the German family who retained her because it was well known among the population in the city the SS was rounding up Poles during services. This family had been relocated to Poland from the Baltics (as a result of Molotov-Ribbentrop). She went anyway and of course was taken for deportation. The mother sent her young daughter to the Reichskommissariat to demand her return because her mother was ill and needed her, and since they came from German nobility the girl already knew how to use it to intimidate. She was successful, and the maid was released to her with instructions to keep her at home. Afterward they made a huge fuss over her and refused to let her leave the home unaccompanied. They helped her and her family as much as they could despite being the dependents of a Wehrmacht officer.

Anecdotal I know but although the maid was fortunate, a very large number of Poles were not. Poles were rounded up, sent to camps and died just like jews since they were even lower Untermensch than Russians. The jews want you to forget this but fuck them. Countless jews collaborated with the Reich in exterminating jews and Soros is a good example but God forbid the Poles remind everyone they too were victims.
Lots of Poles also got forcibly deported even after the war ended, since what had been eastern Poland was now considered the western parts of the Belorussian and Ukrainian SSR's. And lots of ethnic Ukrainians living in Poland got forcibly deported eastwards. And of course pretty much every ethnic German living in Eastern Europe got forcibly deported to either East or West Germany, even if they had done nothing during the war and their families had been living there for centuries.

It's more than a bit sickening that the Allied Powers either shrugged or nodded approvingly of the Soviets and their puppet governments engaging in blatant ethnic cleansing, while at the same time they were holding tribunals on a bunch ex-German leaders for doing the exact same shit.
 
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Niggers, why do you care, it was 80 years ago? Everyone responsible is basically dead. They have the right to say and believe what they want
Niggers still bitch and moan about slavery despite there being no living slaves in America.
They'll cause another Holocaust at this rate just to get them to shut the fuck up about the previous one.
That's the plan.
 
It's more than a bit sickening that the Allied Powers either shrugged or nodded approvingly of the Soviets and their puppet governments engaging in blatant ethnic cleansing, while at the same time they were holding tribunals on a bunch ex-German leaders for doing the exact same shit
Spot on, the girl in that maid incident (who was an elderly woman when I knew her) told me the hell of living in a displaced person's camp. I though she was exaggerating but when I was in uni I learned she actually downplayed conditions. Really horrific.
 
If we're gonna advocate for a full and robust historical education; let's talk about the Revolution of 1918. No, not the one in Russia, the one in Germany, that was organized and led by Jews. Everyone wants wrong-thinkers to wear a permanent scarlet letter and not be allowed to partake in society; and yet we're told when it happened to "God's Chosen," it was wrong, and horrible, and definitely evil.

I'm also tired of jews putting their filthy fucking fingers into any nation trying to do its own thing. Poland can't talk about this, Germany can't deny this, Iceland can't stop circumcision because they get threatened by a rabbi calling a sitting US Congressman. And the US Congress passes a law making it illegal to criticize Israel as a nation or its people... Yet no one can understand why they hate the jews or why people may think they exercise untold influence.

I thought everyone would be suspicious of a religion that involved sucking baby dick.
 
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