Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
I came into this thread expecting an article about modern female entitlement and I got a bunch of 30 year old men whining that women don't want to get pumped and dumped. Oh, she's talking about kids and marriage? And now you're scared? What the fuck do you think a relationship is ultimately all about?

"Casual flings" are degenerate and unacceptable at any age, but to have that mindset in your late 20s is pathetic even by coomer standards. Either grow up or accept your role as a forgettable evening for a parade of diseased slags.
because women love when you tell them about all the children you're going to pump into them when you barely know them, huh?
I have to disagree with this; I was trying to get this girl's affection, and in a woman moment she decided to jump in bed with a dude who lived with his parents, had to get rides to work (at Wal-Mart), and had fucked up teeth. I'm not one to be up my ass to pull an Ana Kasparian and go all "I'm better than you!" But I had my own car, a "better" job (military), and other shit...

I'm not saying everyone has a chance; but being an incel is more than just being in a bad situation.
We're missing a lot of context here.
 
He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married.
I mean a bit extreme on the first date you may want to meet up a couple of times to find out hes not some retard first but Id understand more of she was asking "hey is this serious" and "are you wanting kids in the future".

Especially around the late 20's people feel they dont have much time to fuck around and if they want to reproduce spending effort on someone whos goals arent aligned with that is not going to achieve that
 
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because women love when you tell them about all the children you're going to pump into them when you barely know them, huh?
Honestly? Yes. "I want kids" is basically a magic spell when it comes to 90% of women. You don't just walk up to them and say "BEAR MY OFFSPRING FAIR MAIDEN", but at some point on the first or second date the topic will come up, and they'll be expecting exactly one answer.

Also, in this particular scenario it's the woman who brought it up.
 
The second point is disingenuous though. Men have had to atone for every little issue under the sun for years, yet when men expect compromise then it becomes "Well you're both pointing fingers."

It's the argument of false magnitudes, or to make an easy comparison: It's like saying the issues in todays society spring from both the left and the right. Yes the right are cowards and weak, but it's majorly the left causing issues. Going "Both the left and right are pointing fingers at each other and solving nothing" is also disingenuous.

It ignores the severity one side continues to push and cause. That doesn't mean the other side hasn't caused issues but that one side will give no compromise any further than they already have. Men are falling behind in every facet in society, men are being disenfranchised, being painted as toxic, having their children ripped from family courts, and woman are not satisfied not every man makes more money, continue to feed a self-fulfilling feedback loop and no one wants to draw attention to one side gaining while the other side has nothing. But yes both sides should fix issues so that the one side can fall further down on its face. It's nonsensical. The issues can't be solved until one side is willing to admit their faults.

"disingenuous"? negative. you don't control your gender or the opposite gender. you can only control yourself and your actions. you are currently performing exactly as the second point made with this comment. if i was running a depopulation propaganda campaign i would be very happy to see that reply.

the only thing true and fair in life is that you will experience suffering and you have to fight for the things you want
 
We're missing a lot of context here.
There's not much context, I was trying to be nice and proper with this girl. She ends up talking to some other dude, he invites her over, they bang, and she suddenly has a boyfriend that she likes... and he had a fucked up grill.

I'll also say I do it to myself, because nice guys do finish last, but I also do believe that sex is closer to an end goal than an early experience. Unfortunately, "yo bebe, you want some fuck?" works a lot better than you'd expect.
 
There's not much context, I was trying to be nice and proper with this girl. She ends up talking to some other dude, he invites her over, they bang, and she suddenly has a boyfriend that she likes... and he had a fucked up grill.
what about his face?
how long has she known him?
did he fuck any of her friends?
 
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what about his face?
how long has she known him?
did he fuck any of her friends?
Okay (I guess, I don't really remember, it was a long time ago, I just remember his moldy looking smile).

A month or so (I knew her longer, not that i mattered).

I don't know, probably, I didn't know him or ask. It was over, I was done.

First mistake.
I know, I'm not happy about it, but I can't deny it.
 
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"disingenuous"? negative. you don't control your gender or the opposite gender. you can only control yourself and your actions. you are currently performing exactly as the second point made with this comment. if i was running a depopulation propaganda campaign i would be very happy to see that reply.

the only thing true and fair in life is that you will experience suffering and you have to fight for the things you want
I'm not saying you are disingenuous more that the argument implications are disingenuous. It implies men haven't done anything but point fingers.

Then by that logic men's only option is to go islamo-extremist on women and force them into compliance. Not that I'm against the outcome of that, but I don't think that's the most desirable path to such a solution. It's also an admittance that one side can't be held responsible, and by that logic why should anyone.

Why shouldn't everyone just commit acceleration to get what they want when the alternative is to lose at the hands of assumed cooperation? If I was running a depopulation propaganda campaign this solution ^ would be far more grand in my eyes.

The same argument for men and women's issues in society can also be attributed to racial issues as well, I guess instead of expecting responsible adults to do something right whites should just execute all foreign groups because expecting any reasonable amount of compromise is impossible because one does not control the entire other group, and in that notion what point is there to even mention those issues in the first place.

I'm being facetious but if every other group is just going to grab their ball and go home when they have to face responsibility then no one owes those groups ANYTHING in return then by that logic, and it was doomed to try from the start.
 
The biggest problem with women is that the ones who are turning into bitter old cat ladies in the female friend group get jealous and sabotage their friends' relationships out of bitterness and a crabs in the bucket mentality. One rotten apple spoils the bunch, and delusional women get their heads filled with impossibly high standards. Maybe if you look like a supermodel you'll be able to nab a chiseled specimen of manhood who makes six figures and is a perfect human being, but most gals either need to settle, or get to choosing between the nunnery or a life of SSRIs and a cold bed.

The biggest problem with men is that so many of them won't grow the fuck up.

So many modern women have a friend like this:
 
I have to disagree with this; I was trying to get this girl's affection, and in a woman moment she decided to jump in bed with a dude who lived with his parents, had to get rides to work (at Wal-Mart), and had fucked up teeth. I'm not one to be up my ass to pull an Ana Kasparian and go all "I'm better than you!" But I had my own car, a "better" job (military), and other shit...

I'm not saying everyone has a chance; but being an incel is more than just being in a bad situation.
It's funny how the girls that you might actually be interested in often pull this kind of shit. Like, don't get me wrong, I'm not Spock or anything, but what could she possibly have seen in this guy? Obviously not logical to say the least.

Many incels are in poor situations and often depressed, but they don't understand that getting a girlfriend isn't going to fix things. They may blame "Chad" for their inability to get laid or date but the reality is, they can hate on Chad all they want, but the fact of the matter is, they wish they could be like that too.

And the reality is, even if you could score with the blond Stacy or whatever the fuck you're into, you probably wouldn't want to go out with her because you two have literally nothing in common.

Probably still beats hanging out with some "woke" obese weirdo with rainbow hair, those shitty "geek chic" glasses they all wear, and a hair trigger for literally everything. You know what would truly be a privilege? Not ever having to see or deal with one of those, ever again.

And if that means you basically gotta die a virgin, worth it.
 
Unemployment in the US is 50%.
It's not a question of won't but really a matter of can.
Not even a question of employment - it's a question of mentality. Get a cheap hobby that doesn't involve sitting on your ass, go outside and spend some time in nature, go to places where other people congregate, write or garden. Networking with people at local hobby clubs or church groups will give you an in so that when a job does open up you'll have a shoe in the door. A lot of men are content to play video games and rot, and that really is on them. I definitely used to play too much video games - it was a ton of wasted time for the most part. I know a lot of people who waste just as much time binging TV or anime, or endlessly scrolling social media. You've got to put yourself out there.
 
Honestly? Yes. "I want kids" is basically a magic spell when it comes to 90% of women. You don't just walk up to them and say "BEAR MY OFFSPRING FAIR MAIDEN", but at some point on the first or second date the topic will come up, and they'll be expecting exactly one answer.

Also, in this particular scenario it's the woman who brought it up.
What if the answer is, "I have autism and am also missing an eye because I got a rare form of cancer when I was literally not even a year old, and I don't want to pass either of those onto my offspring, so I will have to politely decline"?
 
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