Young men reveal why so many of them are single: ‘Dates feel more like job interviews’

From: https://nypost.com/2023/03/01/rate-of-single-men-in-the-us-looking-for-dates-has-declined/

They’re single but they’re not mingling.

New data from the Pew Research Center has shown that 63% of men under 30 are single – up from 51% in 2019.

COVID isolation and women’s high expectations for something serious are the main reasons they’re avoiding going out and coupling up, young guys say.

“Dates feel more like job interviews now. Much more like ‘What can you do for me and where is this going?'” said Ian Breslow, a 28-year-old high school teacher who lives in Astoria.

“The ‘getting to know you’ period is gone and that doesn’t feel so great after coming out of isolation.”

He recalled a recent first date that went quite well until the woman interrogated him on their walk home.

“She literally asked me, ‘Would you rather our kids go to public or private school?’ Followed by several more extreme questions about getting married. I just started responding with what I knew she would hate the most to get her to leave,” Breslow told The Post.

Experts agree that women are certainly wanting more than ever before.

“The overall picture [is] that if a woman is going to go on a date with a man, chances are it’s not for a casual fling,” Ronald Levant, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Akron, told The Post.

“Especially if the woman is kind of getting close to 30, [she’s] thinking about the biological clock and wants to have a family,” he added.

Breslow isn’t looking to settle down and get married anytime soon, so he’d rather have casual flings.

“The way dating is currently just makes me want to hook up locally with no stress or strings attached,” he says. “Fortunately that part comes very easy … I’m unmotivated to search for something serious for the time being.”

Ian Breslow said the face of dating has changed greatly since COVID.
Andrew Bruno, a 28-year-old nurse from Bellmore, NY, says flirting in the post-COVID era just isn’t as fun as it once was.

“Being able to naturally approach people while out isn’t like it was pre-pandemic. People are still much less likely to leave their groups or cliques at a bar,” said Bruno. “They’re certainly less talkative and that’s lowered my incentive to put myself out there.”

He also said the pandemic, more than ever before, made dating apps the central means for meeting people — and he’s not a fan.

“That just really isn’t my style. Like there is a weekslong prerequisite before you can think about getting involved, even for casual things,” Bruno said. “I’d rather take all that effort and put it towards my career.”

And, like Breslow, he’s in no hurry to get hitched.

Andrew Bruno feels that people have become less approachable while out since COVID.
“I’m also still very young,” Bruno said. “I don’t feel the need to rush, especially if people don’t act as naturally as they did before COVID. Why would I put it all out there for someone who can’t or won’t hold a conversation?”

For Mike M., a 25-year-old in Queens, it’s his — not the opposite sex’s — social skills that are still battling a bad case of long COVID.

“I definitely can’t walk into a room and go talk to someone I’m interested [in] like I used to be able to. It feels like my outgoingness has suffered some atrophy,” Mike, who withheld his last name out of embarrassment, told The Post.

He’s also having less sex than he did pre-pandemic.

“I have definitely been going online to take care of my urges more than I have by seeing people,” Mike admitted.

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He feels as though he lost two prime years in his early 20s of being able to date and have fun without worrying about being in a serious relationship.

Now, he’s under pressure to find a long-term commitment, but can’t put himself out there.

“I also feel like I’m caught between two worlds,” he said. “Ultimately I’ve just been crashing and have had neither lately.”
 
It's a long thread, and I probably won't read it all any time soon, but here are my two cents.

These men fell into the trap of online dating. And I am not shocked this would be the result.

You MIGHT meet the love of your life online, but probably not.

Dating has not changed, you can still just meet people the normal way. If you do decide to put yourself out there as a product on an overcrowed market, that's what you get.

I have never dated online, just organic. And I never experienced something remotely close to this. Because everytime, we kinda liked each other to begin with, so future-ish questions came later on.

While I don't date online, I will admit to something many here will consider degenerate. In the past I have shoped around for escorts. And I am picky, because it is purely contractual. I see the online dating scene in a similar manner, but you're paying for a "maybe idk".
 
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I think it's beyond mentality now for most guys. You now have to look at the situation. Historically only 40% of guys procreated, while 80% of the Women did. Considering now in the US we are at 50% unemployment, and under 36% of young males are in a relationship. I think we are in a situation where most of the girls are sitting there watching their dating apps. Rolling the dice, hoping for a critical hit, for years and years. While the number of friends guys say they have is dropping as well.

I'm sure many people in this thread have anecdotal stories of friends or even themselves. But looking at the numbers it's pretty grim now. I think we are just going to keep seeing male suicides climb.
I think 'young males' is the key element. Historically, younger women went with slightly older guys because of the earning potential and security which they could provide - and the fact that women need to have kids sooner than men do. Women spent their early 20s trying to get married, and men historically spent that time improving themselves, honing their skills, and finding a good career. The idea of a 22-year-old guy with no job prospects hooking up with a 22-year-old bombshell is pushed by porn and movies, but it just isn't reality in most cases.

As I said in the original post, many men aren't growing up. They aren't making themselves the kind of men that women would like to marry, sinking into despair and self-sabotage. Instead of using their 20s for self-improvement, they're using it to go out, get drunk, and bang sluts - or just masturbating and watching anime, slowly turning into one of Calhoun's rats. And women have ridiculous standards. They also are much more of whores than they used to be, and nobody wants to marry the worn-out slut that you and your buddies spent your 20s passing around.

In a way it's way worse for the women. For men, self-improvement by itself makes you feel better outside of its ability to make yourself more attractive. Most men can feel fulfilled just accomplishing some achievement that they were aiming for. For women, the biological clock is ticking, and they are constantly getting slammed with propaganda that sleeping around and selling pictures of your asshole on the internet are 'empowering'. By the time they get baby fever or hit the wall, many men see them as damaged goods. Fair or not, being a slut is seen as damaging in a way that a dude sleeping around is not. And then the 'damaged goods' gal gets a superiority complex because she doesn't understand that other men wanting to fuck you only makes you attractive if you don't actually let them all fuck you (especially not on camera).

Of course there are economic, cultural, and spiritual headwinds to fixing all of these problems. That doesn't mean that you should give up and do self-destructive things that will make you even more miserable in the long run.
 
News flash: the first 2-3 dates have always felt like job interviews for dudes. Some women might find them a bit interview-like too.

Don't be in such a hurry guys (and girls)... just let things run their course and you'll bump into the right person eventually. Touching grass now and then and/or having a job in an industry where people from both genders together work will help accelerate the process.
 
Perhaps to a degree, but you can keep getting to know a new person light and fun. It doesn't have to be a deathly serious interrogation and start assuming marriage and children and pensions and burial plots like the guys in the article describe.
True, questions like "can you describe a time when you pursued a member of the opposite sex for a relationship and what was the result?" and "where do you see yourself in 5 years time?" are a tad heavy-handed for a first date.
 
News flash: the first 2-3 dates have always felt like job interviews for dudes.
Maybe that's the issue. Never had a good time with a woman who grilled me on the first date.

And really if you have to directly interrogate someone to learn if they're a good partner you're probably emotionally stunted. That's probably why it never worked out in hindsight.
 
True, questions like "can you describe a time when you pursued a member of the opposite sex for a relationship and what was the result?" and "where do you see yourself in 5 years time?" are a tad heavy-handed for a first date.
nonsense
immediately asking what type of schooling your children will go to is a completely acceptable question on a first date
 
i can't tell if you're deliberately being retarded or sarcastic

But you're still placing blame on the father with "both sides are responsible" as an excuse. Women have the ultimate say over who gets to have sex. Society has ensured it with rape being one of its biggest crimes and always has. You can go on and on about how horrible the men are, but you just inadvertently say the women in this situation are either too retarded to hold accountable or cannot be held accountable at all because they're women.
You are so blinded by your own cock; it’s incredible. It really is. Fortunately there is a woman out there for you; but she’s not much of a thinker either and has issues.
 
For women, the biological clock is ticking, and they are constantly getting slammed with propaganda that sleeping around and selling pictures of your asshole on the internet are 'empowering'. By the time they get baby fever or hit the wall, many men see them as damaged goods. Fair or not, being a slut is seen as damaging in a way that a dude sleeping around is not.
I kinda get your point, but this seems way too online focused rather than what is actually happening IRL.

It's been years since I slept with a virgin, or close to that. And I don't care. As long as they have not slept with all my friends, it's fine.

Obviously, if you sell yourself on the internet or sleep with someone every night, I don't want anything to do with you romantically, but women are the exact same.

In a relationship, every party wants to feel special, in a way they want to own the other. It's part of the deal.

People are just too focused on apps imo. You meet people everyday, take advatange of this.
 
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As I said in the original post, many men aren't growing up. They aren't making themselves the kind of men that women would like to marry, sinking into despair and self-sabotage.

I think both genders are sabotaging, just in different ways. Thanks to the messages being sent to them.

Women are told 18-30 is your you time. Have a Career. Make an Onlyfans, Travel the World etc etc.

Men are just typically told they're bad, and just experience their Teachers, Daycare, as all Women in positions of authority. If you were raised in a single mother household, it goes double. So out the other end come wandering Men who experienced Women are the authority figure.

Women are complaining Men aren't stepping up, they are too spineless, or too nice. Men never learned any of these things Women ask for, so they just retreat.
 
I see Menotaur is still be retarded, carefully not give yourself a heart attack. ❤️❤️❤️
 
News flash: the first 2-3 dates have always felt like job interviews for dudes. Some women might find them a bit interview-like too.
Goodness gracious. Not even a little bit. Last two serious relationships happened because of sexual hookups. Fun on the first date. But we'd been talking for a long time in both cases and were well-ready.

GF before that was someone I started talking to trying to counsel her to patch things up with her BF. Second base on the first date. Sex wasn't long behind.

It's only like a job interview if you flat out don't know her.
 
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Goodness gracious. Not even a little bit. Last two serious relationships happened because of sexual hookups. Fun on the first date. But we'd been talking for a long time in both cases and were well-ready.

GF before that was someone I started talking to trying to counsel her to patch things up with her BF. Second base on the first date. Sex wasn't long behind.
That's more like hanging out with someone you already know, which would explain the 100% conversion rate on those examples.
It's only like a job interview if you flat out don't know her.
i.e. a traditional date.
 
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>article about 63% of men in a poll saying they've given up on dating, finding the juice isn't worth the squeeze
<cue 12 entire pages of people acting like these men are incels or can be convinced to give a fuck by posting dating advice here as if the poll was exclusively of the men of A&N, or even about difficulty in finding a date to even begin with

:story:

Show of hands how many of you actually read the damn thing?
 
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