YouTube Commentary Community - You know shit's about to get real when the cartoon avatar crosses their arms!

Im just looking forward to when they realize their egos can't stand eachother.


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I love them flinging shit at each other but tech genuinely showing how exceptional he is here because if they were deleted, he wouldn't be able to restore them, because that how youtube actually works.

You know what can? The spam filter in the youtube comments bar for creators because sometimes those comments that get removed by mama susan get put into there for youtubers to actually restore them sometimes.

You have this ability too tech.
If it was deleted he wouldn't be able to undo them entirely.

I can't stop laughing becuase tipster's greatest achievement is getting out of bed in the morning without crushing all of japan and tech is losing the agurment to him of all people.

This is an amazing monkey knife fight so far.
 
I love them flinging shit at each other but tech genuinely showing how exceptional he is here because if they were deleted, he wouldn't be able to restore them, because that how youtube actually works.
I couldn't put this in words why something seemed off about Tech's argument but it was really this.

This is honestly why you shouldn't go for "They deleted my comments!!" because if a comment is truly deleted, you cannot restore it. At all. There is no undo button. It's gone, poof, nada zip. If a comment manages to get restored, it was probably caught in the spam filter. If it gets restored, it's better to just take the L rather than trying to go on about how they 'magically restored it' after you asked because chances are, they didn't restore it... they just went to release it from comment jail.
 
it's been weeks since i came back to this drama and am now catching up, but holy shit can technicals come off as any more of an egotistical faggot? man's having actual narc twitter tantrums over people ignoring him.
 
it's been weeks since i came back to this drama and am now catching up, but holy shit can technicals come off as any more of an egotistical faggot? man's having actual narc twitter tantrums over people ignoring him.
I have a feeling we are going to repeat the kai weiss drama to an extent at the rate this is going

Emily Artful responded to Creepshow art again with an hour long video where it also has repizion, repzilla, and many other creators

 
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My god it feels like every time Nerd city uploads, Bowblax and friends go out of their way to start a fight with him.I still remember the le le pons video where Bowblax,Nick,Tommy,Augie and willymacshow all teamed up to shit on him for some reason .
Was it these?
 
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Rehashing old shit now. I guess Emily is trying to squeeze out that last bit of internet relevance. Does anyone actually give a shit about Creepshow anymore?
The commentary and tea spergs do, apparently. I remember last month Augie released a 5 hour video (really, a snippet from his stream) deboonking Creep's response video. Brought on some dude named HarleyTBS who wouldn't stop talking throughout the entire thing lol. I mean, does this shit honestly need 5 hours to "dissect"? Talk about self-importance lol.
 
Was it these?
Yes. Contrary to what others on this thread believe I honestly don't like willy mac.I find him,or at least the persona he puts on, to be incredibly obnoxious and full of himself.Y'all will probably disagree but I find this douche bag way too irritating to watch. Also love how he declared the first video a W despite getting a negative like to dislike ratio with most of the top comments dunking on him.
 
I love them flinging shit at each other but tech genuinely showing how exceptional he is here because if they were deleted, he wouldn't be able to restore them, because that how youtube actually works.

You know what can? The spam filter in the youtube comments bar for creators because sometimes those comments that get removed by mama susan get put into there for youtubers to actually restore them sometimes.

You have this ability too tech.
If it was deleted he wouldn't be able to undo them entirely.

I can't stop laughing becuase tipster's greatest achievement is getting out of bed in the morning without crushing all of japan and tech is losing the agurment to him of all people.

This is an amazing monkey knife fight so far.
A feeling always get in situations like these are is that Tech filmed his "evidence" on a early date and then released it later and pretended it was right here right now.


Didn't last long!
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However it was fun...
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A feeling always get in situations like these are is that Tech filmed his "evidence" on a early date and then released it later and pretended it was right here right now.


Didn't last long!
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However it was fun...
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Ehh it is the cc I doubt it.
Taking techincals side means at a later point ethier turkey tom or nicholas might get on augie's ass later for that, or all of them turn on Techincals again for something else in the future.

We just saw this with Nicholas and Tommy C, they will sperg eventually over something else because they never stop fighting over dumb shit.

Also Techincals did an interview recently on the gayest podcast I have ever seen
 
So Critikal is not necessarily a commentary channel even if he comments on community drama like the commentary channels do, so I found it relevant for this thread.

There's currently some drama going right now because he uploaded this video


Then the guy who Charlie is reacting to retaliated.


Now people like Jay Exci livestreaming Charlie's video.


The general consensus is that Charlie is looking like a retard in this drama even if some people, like Jay, are defending him.
 
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The general consensus is that Charlie is looking like a retard in this drama even if some people, like Jay, are defending him.
Everyone looks like more of a retard when jay “takes flag out of bio because he gets owned” exci defends you.
DarkViper AU is another smug commentary creator that I personally cannot stand.
 
Everyone looks like more of a retard when jay “takes flag out of bio because he gets owned” exci defends you.
DarkViper AU is another smug commentary creator that I personally cannot stand.
Oh yeah, they are all fucking retards. I find it extra hilarious that Charlie somehow fucked up when trying to debunk DarkViper AU comparing reaction content to sexual abuse of all things.

Considering Charlie's reaction content, it's almost as if he feels like he has to defend his videos. Got a little chip on your shoulder, my man?
 
So Critikal is not necessarily a commentary channel even if he comments on community drama like the commentary channels do, so I found it relevant for this thread.

There's currently some drama going right now because he uploaded this video


Then the guy who Charlie is reacting to retaliated.


Now people like Jay Exci livestreaming Charlie's video.


The general consensus is that Charlie is looking like a retard in this drama even if some people, like Jay, are defending him.
I am not sure where you got the general consensus but that isnt true.
It mostly against darkviper from what I have seen mainly due to darkviper edited his google doc to remove a lot of parts charlie talked about as discussed in another thread talking about youtube autism.
DarkviperAU, gts 5 speedrunner who also does politics i guess , made a google doc about how react streamers are all bad people (Archive for both versions)
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Critikal , a react streamer , made a video responding to dark vipers document (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAPDd-cB8Do) , in his video he says viper claims reacting to other contents means the streamer is more likely to be a rapist, viper states this in a few choice lines in the original document, that he has since removed from the document , while keeping his tweet up where he doubles down on it
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After critikals video went up (and is now 5th trending for gaming) , viper made a response video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqWNmXYC76A) around the same time he edited the doc to remove choice parts such as implying react streamers would roofie you at a party.
this is after he ranted on twitter for a bit about critikals video
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The line about reactors roofieing you (page 8 of feb 7 document , near bottom of page):
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There's currently some drama going right now because he uploaded this video
I don't see the drama in the video considering the guy who made the thread compared reaction commentary channels to companies like amazon that exploit people to maximize profits. He talks about the economy and at the end of it all, it's a big nothing burger.


He says fair use only allows the use of portions of someone else's work, but in reality, fair use allows you to use however much is necessary to provide commentary on something. He uses a lot of economical terms and comparisons, but at the end of the day, it doesn't amount to shit.

If you meet a reactor at a party, I suggest covering your glass or outright tell them you don't want them to fuck you, because they seem keen to take a person's silence for consent.
That comes directly from DV's 14-page nothing-burger document. No shit they're going to be pissed getting compared to date rapists because "silence is consent". Reacting (or having your content reacted to) is nothing like someone putting something in your drink to sexually assault you just to drill in the fact that in his opinion they are bad people. Yes, reaction content requires significantly less effort than making the original content, but the arguments he makes for why some creators are fine with reaction content basically boils down to it being a necessity to be fine with it as opposed to the fact that some people just like having their content reacted to. Some content is made with the intention of having people react to whether on or off of a video. He also argues that reaction content is stealing millions of dollars from people and at the end of it all, they are all bad people who take silence for consent.

Even though impressions don't equal views, the thing with impressions is that there is no guarantee you will get them. You can make a video of someone shitting in the bathroom and it goes viral versus putting 500 hours of labor into a video that didn't get on anyone's feed. Also, saying impressions don't equal views does feel like a cop-out because the only thing that matters is the views. If your video ends up on the feed of 500 people but no one clicked on it on actually watched it, you got impressions but no views. An impression does little to nothing for a content creator. Views, likes, comments, engagement, etc. that is what matters.

He also puts people who do genuinely try to put effort, humor, into what they're reacting to versus people who just sit on their ass, play the video and eat lunch. You also have to consider that people who watched a reaction may not have bothered to watch the original video anyways. The people who follow someone whose content got reacted to discovered new content and then you have people who only watched it because a reactor watched it but really have no interest in the content otherwise. If you take out the reaction you've basically removed the possibility of the smaller creator getting people who discovered something new and now they're basically just relying on the algoritm.

When it comes to people like Pokimane and Disguised Toast streaming anime with the intention of getting a DMCA or ban, it is vastly different from reacting to someone's content. The first being is that these anime and music companies use bots to file their DMCAs. They don't give a fuck about fair use. They just have their content into an ID pull and just flag it. It's why things like AMVs also get flagged despite being fairly transformative (It's basically making a music video out of anime clips) because the companies don't sit down to review the content and then decide whether they're going to flag it or not. Creators, whether they have a million followers or not actually sit down and consider whether or not to file a DMCA on someone.

The only people this document really means anything to are people who see terms like "trickle-down economy" and "capitalism" and see that he has a graph and assume wow this guy must know what he's talking about guess he's right. His diagrams don't have any actual source or numerical value that can be verified, they're just there with numbers we can assume he pulled from his ass. It isn't similar to capitalism in the way that he says it is due to the fact that reactors make a profit off of the large audience they have. Critical makes a good point in that people generally watch the creators... When Ninja left Mixer, no one stayed there... they went elsewhere. Similarly, even if reactors stopped reacting at all, their audiences would just continue watching their content, they wouldn't trickle down or away from anyone else.

Therefore, even if reactors stopped reacting there is no way to give that money, those views, exposure, etc. to smaller creators because now they're just left to fight the algorithm. If reactors had taken the content, reuploaded it, and claimed it as their own then yes you have an argument for stealing content.

But even the laziest ones don't claim it as their own content or try to pass anything other than their reaction off as their own so it is a moot point. Stealing content doesn't work like stealing a physical item. If you react to the president falling down the stairs or botching a press interview, you have not stolen from MSNBC unless you reupload the video in it's entirety with no reaction, no nothing added and passed it off as your own video.

He breaks people who create content and people who react to content into the "worker class" and the "exploiter class" and it's such a clear attempt at making him sound like he knows what he's talking about. It's once again another example of big words me smart. Creators do not pay other creators on YouTube. Youtube pays creators. If anything, YouTube as a platform would be the exploiter class who just has preferred or higher positioned workers. By extension Twitch as well.

Reactor commentators are not preventing smaller creators from getting views. The YouTube and Twitch algorithm is. There is an argument that they stole views and money, but there is no way to prove that if they didn't react, the smaller creator would have gotten those views and money. He also places large commentators like XQC, Hasan, Pokiman, Critical, etc. as if they are "competitors" in the same way that a company like Amazon, Walmart, or a small business would be, and that isn't how it works.

To give an example:

Companies like Alienware and Corsair are competitors because there is a finite amount of money people have and they basically sell you the same product. Gaming computers. You can make the argument that they also compete with Apple, but Apple isn't even in the gaming market. Apple is a fashion tech company or being more charitable Apple focuses on minimalistic technology for school and work. Therefore, it's really only in theory that Apple also competes with Alienware and Corsair on the basis of selling computers. But when you look at the actual product themselves, someone looking for a gaming computer is unlikely to even consider Apple and someone who wants a computer to do schoolwork on is unlikely to consider Corsair or Dell unless they need a high power PC for things like animation or 3D modeling.

Similarly, content creators are that way. You are not competing against everyone on the platform in any meaningful way because content creators all bring different products to the table. On a surface level, the argument makes sense but when you actually consider it in practice, it doesn't. It is no different when people say someone like Pokimane or Amoranth is "stealing views" from someone. Like people who watch Pokimane or Amoranth are not going to watch a CoD dudebro. The audience that wants to see a pretty girl in a hot tub practically jacking off is not going to be the audience that wants to watch you speedrun Dark Souls for the fifth time.

Getting into reaction content, someone who watches Critical is probably not going to watch Hasan or BadBunny. Sure, there can be overlap between audiences at some point because people do have multiple interests, but generally speaking, they appeal to two different niches and largely have two different audiences. When it comes to them reacting to someone, it works in a similar way. There may be overlap between the reactor's audience and the reactees audience, but they are still mostly different. If reactors stopped reacting entirely, it is no guarantee that the people they would have reacted to would have gotten anywhere or go a bigger audience. Sure, they don't lose anything but they also don't really gain much of anything either.

Making content for youtube, that you don't even get paid for, isn't like having to work for amazon to pay your bills. The first being is that there is no contract between YouTube and creators other than the TOS. You will probably not make a living off of YouTube. If reactors went away tomorrow, smaller creators would still be in the same position they're in now. There would be no net gain for them.

There is more I could say and pick apart, but TLDR: This document is an unhinged nothing burger that spans for 14 pages while saying nor proving anything. Just saying and making false arguments and comparisons to why reaction creators are bad people that ends with saying they're basically date rapists. His document neither proves nor says anything that is actually of value other than that some creator creators make the platform worse because they get DMCA'd to hell and back for watching anime and risk getting the platform sued.
 
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