Culture Youtube gonna be tougher with content control, working with organizations such as ADL - Pepe is gonna be banned.

https://youtube.googleblog.com/2017/08/an-update-on-our-commitment-to-fight.html

A little over a month ago, we told you about the four new steps we’re taking to combat terrorist content on YouTube: better detection and faster removal driven by machine learning, more experts to alert us to content that needs review, tougher standards for videos that are controversial but do not violate our policies, and more work in the counter-terrorism space.

We wanted to give you an update on these commitments:

Better detection and faster removal driven by machine learning: We’ve always used a mix of technology and human review to address the ever-changing challenges around controversial content on YouTube. We recently began developing and implementing cutting-edge machine learning technology designed to help us identify and remove violent extremism and terrorism-related content in a scalable way. We have started rolling out these tools and we are already seeing some positive progress:

• Speed and efficiency: Our machine learning systems are faster and more effective than ever before. Over 75 percent of the videos we've removed for violent extremism over the past month were taken down before receiving a single human flag.
• Accuracy: The accuracy of our systems has improved dramatically due to our machine learning technology. While these tools aren’t perfect, and aren’t right for every setting, in many cases our systems have proven more accurate than humans at flagging videos that need to be removed.
• Scale: With over 400 hours of content uploaded to YouTube every minute, finding and taking action on violent extremist content poses a significant challenge. But over the past month, our initial use of machine learning has more than doubled both the number of videos we've removed for violent extremism, as well as the rate at which we’ve taken this kind of content down.

We are encouraged by these improvements, and will continue to develop our technology in order to make even more progress. We are also hiring more people to help review and enforce our policies, and will continue to invest in technical resources to keep pace with these issues and address them responsibly.

More experts: Of course, our systems are only as good as the the data they’re based on. Over the past weeks, we have begun working with more than 15 additional expert NGOs and institutions through our Trusted Flagger program, including the Anti-Defamation League, the No Hate Speech Movement, and the Institute for Strategic Dialogue. These organizations bring expert knowledge of complex issues like hate speech, radicalization, and terrorism that will help us better identify content that is being used to radicalize and recruit extremists. We will also regularly consult these experts as we update our policies to reflect new trends. And we’ll continue to add more organizations to our network of advisors over time.

Tougher standards: We’ll soon be applying tougher treatment to videos that aren’t illegal but have been flagged by users as potential violations of our policies on hate speech and violent extremism. If we find that these videos don’t violate our policies but contain controversial religious or supremacist content, they will be placed in a limited state. The videos will remain on YouTube behind an interstitial, won’t be recommended, won’t be monetized, and won’t have key features including comments, suggested videos, and likes. We’ll begin to roll this new treatment out to videos on desktop versions of YouTube in the coming weeks, and will bring it to mobile experiences soon thereafter. These new approaches entail significant new internal tools and processes, and will take time to fully implement.

Early intervention and expanding counter-extremism work: We’ve started rolling out features from Jigsaw’s Redirect Method to YouTube. When people search for sensitive keywords on YouTube, they will be redirected towards a playlist of curated YouTube videos that directly confront and debunk violent extremist messages. We also continue to amplify YouTube voices speaking out against hate and radicalization through our YouTube Creators for Change program. Just last week, the U.K. chapter of Creators for Change, Internet Citizens, hosted a two-day workshop for 13-18 year-olds to help them find a positive sense of belonging online and learn skills on how to participate safely and responsibly on the internet. We also pledged to expand the program’s reach to 20,000 more teens across the U.K.

And over the weekend, we hosted our latest Creators for Change workshop in Bandung, Indonesia, where creators teamed up with Indonesia’s Maarif Institute to teach young people about the importance of diversity, pluralism, and tolerance.

Altogether, we have taken significant steps over the last month in our fight against online terrorism. But this is not the end. We know there is always more work to be done. With the help of new machine learning technology, deep partnerships, ongoing collaborations with other companies through the Global Internet Forum, and our vigilant community we are confident we can continue to make progress against this ever-changing threat. We look forward to sharing more with you in the months ahead.

The YouTube Team

This gonna be gud.

 

[Sergeant Politeness]

Your hypothesis would involve eschewing the entire western audience (read: people with computers and tubernets capable of looking at said ads) and instead microtargeting towards people who, by and large, do not have the sort of numbers or persistent access to the web to make said advertisements worthwhile.

In another context, think of Apple. Apple didn't become a fucking giant by targeting the low-end of the market. There's far more profit to be made in selling rich people cheap things at a high markup than selling poor people more reasonably priced things at less markup.

In the same way, the US is the high end of the world. We buy more shit and have more money to buy shit. There's far more profit to be made in showing ads to fat westerners (even though a lot of them use an ad blocker) who will buy the things in those ads than showing equivalent ads to Iranians who aren't doing nearly as well and won't buy them. A billion kebabs is nothing to sneeze at, but how many of them can you actually monetize?

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

we're going to ignore that Google has proven fucking incompetent when it comes to targeting advertisements (check earlier in the thread), to the tune of having to repay millions of dollars due to ad fraud.

I forgot about this.

Well, with all that being said, I can't conceive of what they see in being Al Jazeeratube in spite of all these disadvantages, especially not all these other social media companies. You have to admit that what I thought of was at least marginally less dumb than SJWs puppeteering all these IT companies to push forward a purely ideological pursuit, because that's not even a plan to make money, that's just a plan to dominate the climate with propaganda until they completely lose financial steam and collapse.

 

[Dysnomia]

I forgot about this.

Well, with all that being said, I can't conceive of what they see in being Al Jazeeratube in spite of all these disadvantages, especially not all these other social media companies. You have to admit that what I thought of was at least marginally less dumb than SJWs puppeteering all these IT companies to push forward a purely ideological pursuit, because that's not even a plan to make money, that's just a plan to dominate the climate with propaganda until they completely lose financial steam and collapse.

SJWs will get what's coming to them when it's their turn on the chopping block.

 

[Jaimas]

SJWs will get what's coming to them when it's their turn on the chopping block.

That's the whole reason that this whole thing isn't as much to get worried about in the long run: It's unsustainable.

No matter what happens, Google takes a hit financially, either soon or in the future, and companies were already leery of the fucking platform thanks to the Adpocalypse. That's to say nothing of the sheer volume of negative PR Google's gotten in the last 3 months. Even if you want to make the argument that no company cares about the likes of the Damore Memo incident or the huge amount of negative coverage they've gotten for essentially eviscerating Syrian war crimes coverage, they're sure as shit going to pay attention to the multiple ad fraud cases Google's had to pay fucktons out of pocket to smooth over, the potential of Google to face a gigantic lawsuit or criminal case for ceding safe harbor, or the major fuck-up that was Google's getting assblasted by the EU and subsequently trying to pretend nothing was wrong.

Eventually, the Shareholders are getting involved, and eventually, that means shit's going to change due to good old fashioned human greed.

 

[CatParty]

Shareholders

That's how you get things done. Boycotts and making salty YouTube videos complaining about essjaydubbyas doesn't make a difference. Just buy enough stock to sit in on actual meetings

 

[AnOminous]

That's how you get things done. Boycotts and making salty YouTube videos complaining about essjaydubbyas doesn't make a difference. Just buy enough stock to sit in on actual meetings

They don't really care much about stockholders unless you can get them with a derivative suit, and ones based on social policies have never succeeded. It has to involve actually depriving shareholders of money for things that aren't business decisions protected under the so-called "business judgment rule." So if they're actually deliberately diluting the stock by underhanded means, inside trading, etc. you have something to go after.

If they're ruining your stock value by making a series of dumb decisions, you're pretty much out of luck unless it's something absurdly obvious like selling off the company's assets to buy crack.

The only reason Google cares is because their advertisers care. The only reason their advertisers care is because a small but noisy and angry group of people is harassing them. Those are by and large SJWs.

It's still all about money, though. It's actually pretty reasonable for some of these advertisers to want their ads pulled on shit like outright Nazi propaganda complete with swastikas and kill da jooze, pornography, and even political content their customers don't like. This is why shit like Rush Limbaugh has trouble getting advertisers and it's usually fringe shit like garlic tablets only ever mentioned in talk radio ads and stuff like that.

They have a somewhat delicate balancing act to do, though. If they don't demonetize at least some shit, advertisers are going to leave in droves, leaving them with little demand, and their ads won't be worth much.

If they demonetize too much, they will lose even more from content providers leaving, leaving them with no ads to actually sell.

Unless they can get their users to cough up money for their product (and shit like YouTube Red has always been a dismal failure), they need ads. I don't feel a trace of guilt for blocking all ads of any kind, but they need people who don't. As someone said, if you're using an online service and you're not paying for it, you're not the customer. You're the product.

Without content providers bowing out and going elsewhere, YouTube has no reason whatsoever to cater to them. They're betting on most of these people having nowhere better to go, and they're more or less right.

 

[CatParty]

YouTube has no reason whatsoever to cater to them

lol it's just nazis nbd

 

[tehpope]

I don't think this deserves its own thread, but more controversy.

Popeye's son, I mean Casey Neistat, put out a vid announcing a fundraiser for the Vegas shooting. Youtube Demonetized it. Casey asked why on Twitter. YT said didn't matter it was a fundraiser, they won't put ads on a video about a tragedy. People come to find out that YT allowed ads on a Jimmy Kimmel monologue about the shooting. Tons of ads. YT hasn't made a response yet. Lot o' salt though.

tl;dr - Rules for the peasants, not for the kings.

 

[Duke Nukem]

YouTube lies to people and only introduced the content rules so they can attract the advertising bucks, and, for their fan base, normies.

They basically want to become more like Netflix or Hulu from what I've observed.

 

[tehpope]

Yep. See Youtube TV and Youtube Red.

They should just close the site down and make a Google branded streaming site. People wouldn't be happy (to say the very very least) but Google really isn't going to get what they want with just these addons to the Youtube brand.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

I just wanna see Kimmel drop dead when I see his non stop on the front page.

Also Casey's nose isn't ad friendly.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

tl;dr - Rules for the peasants, not for the kings.

And this is how they shuck the disposables.

 

[Fagnacious D]

YouTube lies to people and only introduced the content rules so they can attract the advertising bucks, and, for their fan base, normies.

They basically want to become more like Netflix or Hulu from what I've observed.

I wonder if a real competitor to Youtube will ever show up. I mean one that is like the old youtube, less restrictions and better web design.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

In this day and age? I honestly doubt it.

 

[Trilby]

In this day and age? I honestly doubt it.

It's hard to really crack the net these days.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

It's hard to really crack the net these days.

Facebook, YouTube, so on... These kinds of sites took advantage of grass roots growth when the internet was like the wild west, where anyone could get big if they were popular. These sites don't want anyone else to have that chance. They want the internet to be like basic cable where you only have what limited options the big networks decide you do.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I wonder if a real competitor to Youtube will ever show up. I mean one that is like the old youtube, less restrictions and better web design.

We had that, it was called Zippcast.

It died.

Facebook, YouTube, so on... These kinds of sites took advantage of grass roots growth when the internet was like the wild west, where anyone could get big if they were popular. These sites don't want anyone else to have that chance. They want the internet to be like basic cable where you only have what limited options the big networks decide you do.

 

[Trilby]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Duke Nukem]

You can always put your more objectionable content on Vid.me or some other non-YouTube site.

 

[Jaimas]

If we've learned nothing else this decade, it's that nothing is too big or powerful to fail. Ultimately, there's a limit of how often one can screw up, and Youtube is constantly pushing further and further into the region where not only is an alternative going to become more and more viable, but indeed, inevitable. All that needs to happen is for them to keep fucking up the way they have and then doubling down.