Youtube Unveils new Youtube Heroes Program - Gives "Superusers" priority flags and access to staff

A lot of people are arguing that whilst Google has fucked up a lot with Youtube in the past, this may be one of, if not the biggest fuck up yet, and that's saying a lot given prior history on the matter. What am I discussing here? The new Youtube Heroes Program:


Info on the new program is here:

Each YouTube Hero who is in compliance with these Rules will be able to earn points for every qualifying contribution to YouTube (such as accurately flagging inappropriate content), that is verifiable and organic, and not gamed, improperly received or otherwise in violation of these Rules, including the YouTube Community Guidelines (each a “Qualifying Contribution”). We will determine each qualifying Contribution.

Any abuse of the point system, the Program, or other violative behavior, may reduce the points accrued in your program account and/or restrict or prohibit any aspect of your participation in the Program.

TL;DR: This new program gives a much greater degree of power to users based on two factors:

1. How much time they spend browsing Youtube.

2. How much the user is willing to seek out shit that offends them in order to specifically flag it.

I wonder what ideology we've repeatedly covered due to lolcow involvement fills those exact requirements.
 
I think the consternation is less with an imaginary sjw conspiracy or some alleged secret political agenda and more that community policing is a terrible idea, because the community is a pack of speds.
Wikipedia is a good example. You have everything policed by a tiny cabal of breathtakingly crazy shut ins who are willing to passionately argue about what constitutes "neutral tone" for 5 hours. On their own time. For free.
The only purpose of YouTube monitoring is to keep off illegal shit that could get them in trouble (rips of movies, copyright issues, CP, ect). That's a legal thing, it's the company's problem, and it should be handled by them.
Put simply, it's stupid. It adds an additional layer of complexity to a problem that they were already terrible at handling.
 
I think the consternation is less with an imaginary sjw conspiracy or some alleged secret political agenda and more that community policing is a terrible idea, because the community is a pack of speds.
Wikipedia is a good example. You have everything policed by a tiny cabal of breathtakingly crazy shut ins who are willing to passionately argue about what constitutes "neutral tone" for 5 hours. On their own time. For free.
The only purpose of YouTube monitoring is to keep off illegal shit that could get them in trouble (rips of movies, copyright issues, CP, ect). That's a legal thing, it's the company's problem, and it should be handled by them.
Put simply, it's stupid. It adds an additional layer of complexity to a problem that they were already terrible at handling.

This.
 
No offense, Cat, but while I respect your attempt to inject some stability and to mock people for a rush to judgment here, I'm not inclined to dismiss that as mere conspiracy after the shit we've already seen happen multiple times this year alone. Moreover, the issue people take here is that we've already seen this kind of thing implemented on other sites.

Wikipedia, most notably.

Users on Wikipedia are rated on number of edits, not the quality thereof, so this allows the worst offenders to still have a big say in goings-on, even if the user in question is directly involved with causing issues. Even in the case of someone provably in a conflict-of-interest like Ryulong or someone who's just an open tard like Mark Bernstein, it can be a nightmare to leverage any real ability to hinder these problem users with the way this sort of thing angles out. Because they can stack arbitrations with friendly voices, they can often linger like a fucking metastasized tumor for years before any appreciable action is taken, even if they get caught red-handed. Hell, even if they do get banhammered, they often have led to a fucking permanent occupation by their buddies on the same articles.

An ongoing meme is that the way that Wikipedia's own system is set up right now has made it essentially impossible to salvage without banning basically everyone on it and re-writing a huge number of articles from scratch with rigorously enforced NPOV. Even the most conservative estimates of trying to fix the site state that there's an uphill battle ahead to save it.

It's not just Wikipedia, either. Community moderation has been tried on other platforms before, and it always, without exception, fucking fails unless it has aggressive oversight. Eventually, some vocal group or another will hit a critical mass size-wise, and then find a way to game the system, and the result is something we've all seen before, especially if you were active on political sites over the last decade. It's easy to be worried about Social Justice morons here, but we could just as easily see the /pol/ crowd try the same shit, and it would suck just as badly.

With this said, people are right to be worried. I'll agree with you that they probably should wait for more information to come in, so we don't see a repeat of some of the past non-issue worries (lol Youtube Red), but given the implications of what a system like this could do, you're going to see people in alarm bell mode, and for good reason.

I'll acknowledge that it's alarmist to immediately assume the worst on this one, but given how Google's history and increasing willingness to appease a small minority of unpleasant fucks, how do you expect people to take it? We already are in a world where coverage of certain parties has gotten mass-reported off Youtube, where posting a picture of John Flynt can get you permabanned from Twitter, and where posting on the wrong forum on Reddit will get you banned from like 12 others subreddits due to block bots.

There is an upside, though: It'll give us more sperging to cover at any rate.


Nah it's really not a big deal. At least for people making real content. If you're making legit professional videos you have nothing to worry about because you know how corporations work. And I'm not sorry for the nerds yelling at their webcams if they take a hit because they do not belong on a platform with professionally produced content. They whined about the monetizion a month ago and now it's this sjw conspiracy. And next month they're gonna whine about another perceived thought crime that will end YouTube.
 
Nah it's really not a big deal. At least for people making real content. If you're making legit professional videos you have nothing to worry about because you know how corporations work. And I'm not sorry for the nerds yelling at their webcams if they take a hit because they do not belong on a platform with professionally produced content. They whined about the monetizion a month ago and now it's this sjw conspiracy. And next month they're gonna whine about another perceived thought crime that will end YouTube.

lol calm down
 
Nah it's really not a big deal. At least for people making real content. If you're making legit professional videos you have nothing to worry about because you know how corporations work. And I'm not sorry for the nerds yelling at their webcams if they take a hit because they do not belong on a platform with professionally produced content. They whined about the monetizion a month ago and now it's this sjw conspiracy. And next month they're gonna whine about another perceived thought crime that will end YouTube.

It's an interesting thought, and hopefully you're right that it amounts to a wet fart in people's trousers. If it's anything like Google's other biggest fuck-ups involving Youtube (lol Google+), it'll be mitigated or rolled back eventually, so there is precedent there, so points to you on that one.

Past experience has shown that this is a major formative step for echo chambers and can lead to some ugly shit that the site, frankly, is better off without. We'll need to wait and see what happens, really.
 
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I FUCKING WARNED PEOPLE ABOUT THIS SHIT YEARS AGO.
CYBER APOCALYSE 2K16! READY YOUR ASSES AND ASSETS BECAUSE THIS RIDE WILL BE HELL.
 
Well it was pretty obvious that YouTube was pretty much done with original creators a while ago and would be more than happy to make YT become a repository for clips of Carpool Karaoke and Last Week Tonight. Now it appears they've decided to just let the horde kill itself off.

Let's start a betting pool before this *wonderful* idea taken out back and shot. I'm giving it before the end of 2016.
 
I see one of three outcomes from this.

1. Worst fears are realized, cliquetards get in place (regardless of subspecies; Social Justice and /pol/ equally likely), turn commenting into a fucking minefield and quickly abuse their power. Google forced to do away with the Heroes program entirely or risk migrations to another website.

2. The entire thing goes as used as Google Plus. Google quietly pulls the plug. Nobody notices. World keeps on turning.

3. We arrive somewhere between 1 and 2. Entire thing becomes an annoying shitstorm as multiple warring factions squabble like retards for control. Google pulls the plug because moderating that shit takes more effort than the lack of moderatorship they already had.
 
Also possible is that it's just more lip service from a Silicon Valley megacorp wanting to look attentive to progressive ideas and the damage will be contained to the fringe politicking side of YT nobody who has a job cares about. Nothing ever came of that Google Ideas bullshit; it was a photo op.

@CatParty has a point. There won't be any serious results unless the psychotic busybodies @Jaimas is worried about go after mainstream Youtubers, but I'd expect Google to overrule them if that happened. Businesses are naturally timid to PR backlashes.
 
Nah it's really not a big deal. At least for people making real content. If you're making legit professional videos you have nothing to worry about because you know how corporations work. And I'm not sorry for the nerds yelling at their webcams if they take a hit because they do not belong on a platform with professionally produced content. They whined about the monetizion a month ago and now it's this sjw conspiracy. And next month they're gonna whine about another perceived thought crime that will end YouTube.

The thing is most of the "professional"content producers are shit like the Fine Bros. Personally I find the less professional channels that people make without a desire for monetary gain are often far more entertaining to watch. Be it from channels I watch on mechanical engineering, videogames, or anything else I'm interested in, I find the large channels to often be shit. Youtube was originally created as a platform for anyone to share videos on, not as a platform to make money and have "professional" content exclusively. I honestly dislike this take over of Youtube by tards like the Fine Bros. and other professional channels that are often shit heads, particularly the drama channels and their needless shit stirring.
 
2. The entire thing goes as used as Google Plus. Google quietly pulls the plug. Nobody notices. World keeps on turning.

So what happened with Google+ exactly?

And I wouldn't attempt to change CatParty's mind about YT policy, since if you wanted to do that, you'd have to change Nostalgia Chicks mind first. Good luck with that.
 
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So what happened with Google+ exactly?

And I wouldn't attempt to change CatParty's mind about YT policy, since if you wanted to do that, you'd have to change Nostalgia Chicks mind first. Good luck with that.

Google forced integration between it and Youtube.

Have a Youtube Account? You have a Google Plus account, and it already has all your personal info on it, ready to go! Now you're all set to use Google's new "seriously we're totally better than Facebook we have swiss cake rolls you guys" service. The argument at the time was that this forced people to watch what they say since everything was tied to a core account.

Problem: Most comment trolls didn't give a shit and used burner accounts, so this pretty much only hit content creators. Absolutely fucking nothing happened, despite all the hullabaloo about increased security. The service as a whole was about as popular as Revolution 60 and almost nobody knowingly uses Google Plus right now. A lot of people use it unknowingly, mostly because Google forced them to sign up an account because of Youtube's forced Google Plus integration.

Google quietly removed the mandatory integration and tried to pretend the whole thing never happened within three months, though if you already signed into it your accounts are still linked cross-platform. You don't even have to use it on many Android phones, which is fucking hilarious.
 
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