YT 11/15 - Chris Tweets AND Posts Simultaneously

[Mariposa Electrique]

My whole point is that Chris thinks believes he's a woman. I don't think it feels to him like a put-on.

I think that with Chris, we have to be very careful to distinguish between thoughts and beliefs in the autistic mind, which can probably be very difficult even for Chris himself to do.
Thoughts are concrete within the brain and can travel from neuron to neuron while beliefs in the psyche are highly subjective and open to convoluted interpretation and confirmation bias.
Do I believe that before 2010, Chris believed he was a woman, since his earliest memories, like the tranny people claim? Absolutely not.
My opinion is, that after 2011, an impressionable Chris found something that answered his prayers, and he used his already ambiguous belief system to justify his behavior.
Another question we should be asking is if Chris' beliefs are real or highly plastic depending on the correct context. My opinion, at least, is that they are flexible and highly vulnerable to a lot of things, whereas most people cling to their beliefs for their entire lives.
Chris has to have something to believe in to distract himself from the terrible life that both he and Barb created but that does not make it an intrinsic quality, it's more of a coping mechanism. Chris has to have a belief to look forward to so that he does not have to dwell on the hoard and the CWCki. A life as a beautiful and setsy lesbian ( which will never happen) provides the perfectly unreachable goal for Chris to look forward to for the rest of his life.

* Damn, March 2011? It's been 5, almost six years since this all started?

Chris believed in Santa for a very long time too, longer than the Tomgirl saga

With Chris, the situation is so much worse than him merely being dumb. He's not aware of his limitations. Like, there's being bad at math, and then there's not believing that math beyond your grasp exists.

The empathy thing is a great example. Chris doesn't know what empathy is, but he thinks he does. He thinks "well, I get sad for other people, that qualifies, right". But he doesn't realize that empathy is much stronger than that. People experience empathy even in benign situations, all the time. (To various degrees.) Fatty doesn't realize the extent to which he's ignorant on this subject, and thus becomes highly overconfident.

This is the same thing with being middle class (Bob and Barb had solid jobs, could afford two households while fighting the school district over tard classes), same with being experienced with sex (he's watched a lot of porn? that counts, right?) and the same thing with claiming to have a 7 inch penis (stretching your flaccid dick to reach 7 inches isn't the same thing).

This goes back to tthe whole belief thing, and I think we're making the same point just from two different perspectives.
Chris believes he is experienced at sex like he believes he knows what it is like to be a woman, even though he has less insight than transgender people because his brain is disconnected from social cognition. Chris is eternally stuck in that child-like phase where if you believe in anything for long enough and ignore the blaring red signs, then it is true or it will come true, and nothing can possibly hurt you. Chris also believes that he is going to make a great parent, but we know without out of a shadow of a doubt, that he's not event the best pet-owner in the world.

When did this happen?

I believe it was during one of the Kim emails when he talks about avoiding them for dating because they're not real women.

But even from a more realistic (ie not Chris') perspective, I don't see Chris as naturally masculine, so much as he's naturally... Chris. He has no positive nor negative qualities that I'd call stereotypically masculine.

Chris is not stereotypically feminine either..
I think that you're looking at societal measures of masculinity and feminity that vary greatly from culture to culture. I am talking about essence, like yonic vs. phallic or yin vs yang. Chris seems like he is trying to project through a very masculine essence.
A good example would be some effeminate gay men across a few cultures that act in the way they perceive women to act, yet it's still flamboyant, dynamic, in your face, and needing to prove something (it's masculine, just in a very different way). You, yourself claimed that Chris struts like he is the cock of the walk, winking and shaking his broomstick at women, which is right up there with old men that get tans, face lifts, and hair plugs to attract a younger woman, believing that they look phenomenal.
Chris has lost of his energy, but those characteristics still apply, I do think Chris gentle, but there is still part of his essence that is still very masculine, it's just not like MacGuyver or Marlboro Man, it's just different, like Chris himself.

As well, you can even look at the way mental illness manifests itself; women are much more likely to deal with internalized anxiety and depression, while men are more likely to manifest with antisocial elements like trying to mace people, trying to run them over, being argumentative with authority figures , and creepily invading boundaries (think Catherine and Megan with touching). The manifestation of mental illness is something that is unconscious, so it's something that really can't be faked.

Well at least, we've got Christmas and the inauguration to look forward to.

:horrifying::horrifying::horrifying::horrifying::horrifying::horrifying:

 

[Marvin]

I think that with Chris, we have to be very careful to distinguish between thoughts and beliefs in the autistic mind, which can probably be very difficult even for Chris himself to do.
Thoughts are concrete within the brain and can travel from neuron to neuron while beliefs in the psyche are highly subjective and open to convoluted interpretation and confirmation bias.
Do I believe that before 2010, Chris believed he was a woman, since his earliest memories, like the tranny people claim? Absolutely not.
My opinion is, that after 2011, an impressionable Chris found something that answered his prayers, and he used his already ambiguous belief system to justify his behavior.
Another question we should be asking is if Chris' beliefs are real or highly plastic depending on the correct context. My opinion, at least, is that they are flexible and highly vulnerable to a lot of things, whereas most people cling to their beliefs for their entire lives.
Chris has to have something to believe in to distract himself from the terrible life that both he and Barb created but that does not make it an intrinsic quality, it's more of a coping mechanism. Chris has to have a belief to look forward to so that he does not have to dwell on the hoard and the CWCki. A life as a beautiful and setsy lesbian ( which will never happen) provides the perfectly unreachable goal for Chris to look forward to for the rest of his life.

I agree with a lot of this. I think I'd phrase things differently. I can't say much right now because I'm drinking, and every additional word I type is a chance for me to say something retarded, so I'll keep it brief.

I agree about the distinction between thinking and feeling. However, I would argue that the distinction is much blurrier with Chris. Combining his mental issues, with the fact that, even if he were neurotypical, he'd still probably be a dumbass (see: Cole), and that he's been shielded from reality his whole life, the end result is that reality is malleable to Chris. I think Chris lives his whole life in a fog, not really paying attention to the specifics, because honestly, it doesn't ever really matter to him. So his sense of reality is super rocky. If he decides he's a woman, and everyone around him tolerates it, or even aggressively encourages it (I'm looking at you: therapy group), then what reason does he have to think otherwise?

I think this lifestyle has seriously affected his ability to evaluate situations on his own. It's a mental crutch that's made his mind weak(er) and flimsy(ier).

Chris believed in Santa for a very long time too, longer than the Tomgirl saga

Haha, well, I mean, that's kind of a different situation. That's more of a gradient for kids, between age 5 (santa is totes real) and age 11 (santa isn't real you snot nosed kids, now give me your lunch money). Every year after 11 it just means that they're a "late bloomer". Compared with the tranny bullshit, the gradient was like over the course of a few months, Chris went from "embracing his female side" to being a "tomgirl", to full on tranny over less than a year.

This goes back to tthe whole belief thing, and I think we're making the same point just from two different perspectives.
Chris believes he is experienced at sex like he believes he knows what it is like to be a woman, even though he has less insight than transgender people because his brain is disconnected from social cognition. Chris is eternally stuck in that child-like phase where if you believe in anything for long enough and ignore the blaring red signs, then it is true or it will come true, and nothing can possibly hurt you. Chris also believes that he is going to make a great parent, but we know without out of a shadow of a doubt, that he's not event the best pet-owner in the world.

Agreed. Although, like I said enough, this child-like phase is actually reality to Chris because he's been indulged almost any time he's done this. Getting off mostly scot free on all his legal shit, for example.

I believe it was during one of the Kim emails when he talks about avoiding them for dating because they're not real women.

Ah. Well, to be fair, I think that's more of a poor phrasing on Chris' part. I think Chris does support transwomen and thinks they're women. But still, he prefers biological women and he's terrible at expressing that. That's that "cotton ceiling" nonsense.

I think that you're looking at societal measures of masculinity and feminity that vary greatly from culture to culture. I am talking about essence, like yonic vs. phallic or yin vs yang. Chris seems like he is trying to project through a very masculine essence.
A good example would be some effeminate gay men across a few cultures that act in the way they perceive women to act, yet it's still flamboyant, dynamic, in your face, and needing to prove something (it's masculine, just in a very different way). You, yourself claimed that Chris struts like he is the cock of the walk, winking and shaking his broomstick at women, which is right up there with old men that get tans, face lifts, and hair plugs to attract a younger woman, believing that they look phenomenal.

I'm not very persuaded by masculinity being much of a culture-neutral thing. To some extent it is, but if you follow that line of thought to its logical conclusion, huge chunks of women are masculine.

And for example, women strut in plenty of situations in the same way that Chris was doing.

Chris has lost of his energy, but those characteristics still apply, I do think Chris gentle, but there is still part of his essence that is still very masculine, it's just not like MacGuyver or Marlboro Man, it's just different, like Chris himself.

I guess. I'd just never call Chris manly. Or, well, except for the Ohio trip. That's the only manly thing he's done. Gotta give him respect for growing a pair, throwing caution to the wind, and going to rescue Julie. And having a sense of humor about it when he got back.

Aside from that, Chris has been a limp dick his whole life.

 

[Apocalypso]

Stephen King's: "IT" "She/Her/Hers"
Stop it before it lays eggs!

THEY ALL FLOAT!

 

[TiggerNits]

Chris' continued existence does have one positive thing about it. It proves that the South isn't nearly as backward and bigoted as it is thought to be, since a fat, retarded, verbally aggressive/physically threatening homosexual transgendered person like him hasn't been lynched by the townsfolk

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

Chris' continued existence does have one positive thing about it. It proves that the South isn't nearly as backward and bigoted as it is thought to be, since a fat, exceptional, verbally aggressive/physically threatening homosexual transgendered person like him hasn't been lynched by the townsfolk

Well, it's Virginia, which is pretty much considered "the North of the South." He's close to Charlottesville, which on the whole is a pretty liberal & open-minded area, in part because it's home to a prestigious university.

 

[Dat Sped]

If the Secret Service really does come for Chris, can they please be wearing Pickle Suits? I would be okay with Chris riding in the Party Van if the Secret Service wears Pickle Suits.

 

[The American Hedgehog]