🔥 Zoosadist Zoosadism Megathread - Joshua "Kero the Wolf" Hoffman & Friends.

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Mention of a petting zoo in an old KF Post along with livejournals and quotes from a 2015 post. Unfortunately it seems the original poster failed to archive the post, as far as I can see.
https://shanealexander.livejournal.com/718.html was archived at http://archive.is/MMvEn

http://shanealexander.livejournal.com/2169.html was archived at http://archive.is/tpcDl

the vivisector link is dead in archive.is and waybackmachine however, but both live journals were archived.
 
I had to take a break in the zoosadism thread, but now I'm back.

Has there been any progress yet on legal persecution for these sickos?
 
alot of the service dogs that are brought to cons are not trained service dogs. Alot of owners will fraudulently proclaim their dog is a service dog. Also the only reason I say rumor is I can't confirm but when shit like this came out I heard rumord/murmers within the fandom for the last year that something big was going down. I will leave the speculation alone but I think some tff staff could be worthy of investigation.
Correct. It's the law in Texas to allow service dogs basically anywhere (restaurants, etc.) but you can buy fake service dog blankets, and most businesses will either ignore it or tolerate it to avoid lawsuits. Combine this with the general apathy of hotel clerks (if rumors of what I've heard are true, prostitution is common pretty much everywhere) and you've got a recipe for disaster.
 
I've been slowly working my way through this thread and decided to make an account for a number of reasons.. please pardon me if I'm late to something or that something has already been stated, there's a lot to dig through.

A few comments I've seen here are lamenting about the apparent back of sincere concern for abusers in the fandom, mostly from generic semi-popufurs claiming that "these people don't belong", or that we "can't tolerate these people in the community"..

In the mid-2000s, I was heavily active in exposing these animal sex abusers in the fandom. I was sick of the stigma that zoophiles in general experienced; the belief that they're your average hick in a farm in some backwoods area of a rural state, fucking cow in a barn, when the reality is (as you are all seeing now), much more sinister, sadistic, and insidious. I was tired of the fandom shrugging off these sick fucks as "just sick fucks", or "just dogfuckers", and never taking any real stance against it aside from the needless claims that they didn't support this form of animal abuse.

Congratulations, would you like a medal before you turn back to your tablet and continue to draw porn for these pieces of human garbage? The lack of participation in shunning and exposing these animal abusers from "popufurs" angered me, and they only appeared on their soapboxes to make a generic statement before continuing on. Eventually, these same popufurs realized (through the efforts of myself and others) that these animal abusers were commissioning furry porn of their characters with their own pets... and suddenly it was a big deal.

The original tactic was a scorch-the-Earth tactic. Find these members, dredge up all of their information and evidence, and expose it for the fandom to see. As you can imagine, this tactic failed immensely and while it did scare off some small fish, the larger fish took it as a warning to start deleting things, hiding evidence, changing fursonas and usernames, and going underground for a while.

Eventually we became more organized and began finding these users, quietly gathering information, and reporting directly to the authorities... which brings me to the main point: People didn't stop caring, they started going underground, just like the abusers themselves.
After JavaChicken was outed (miserably, what a shit-show that was), did you see how many furries were being arrested and charged? Don't lose faith in the sensible members of the community.

We have a very small group of heavily-vetted members quietly collecting evidence.. the problem goes far, far deeper than you can possibly imagine. There are large, serious groups of zoophiles (particularly prevalent in the Pacific-Northwest), brothels, and animal abuse rings run and used by furries. The thing about these abusers is that they don't mention it, you'd have absolutely no clue that these people are zoophiles or animal abusers, and they bump elbows with "popufurs". The small fish are the users who use the zeta symbols or outright state that they're zoophiles.
I was involved with this for years, but eventually had to cut back on the work and take some time for myself, this shit is seriously emotionally draining and I became numb and angry after seeing just how deep the rabbit hole goes. I can't even look at the censored images in here, it's just too much.

What's so mind-blowing to me is how someone like this Kero could be so prevalent in the community and yet be interested in the most horrendous, atrocious shit I've ever heard of.. normally the well-known furries in the spotlight tend to use an alternate username or use TOR servers and chatrooms as opposed to something like Telegram (seriously????).

An interesting (and sad) thing that I discovered in my work is that many (if not most) zoophiles are victims of child sexual abuse. They were either groomed or abused by an adult sexually, or were groomed/abused/introduced specifically into zoophilia when they were kids. The result that I've seen is that a huge amount of zoophiles are also interested in underage ("cub") art. I don't exactly know what the psychological connection between the two is, or if there is one at all, but it leads me to believe that an interest in "cub porn" can be connected to this early sexual trauma.

While I was never directly involved with zoosadists specifically, I know that this community is huge as well. I couldn't handle looking at regular animal sex abuse, let alone zoosadism.

The biggest problem that you experience when bringing punishment to animal sex abusers is getting law enforcement to take them seriously. You'll need to do all of the leg work, draw all of the lines, and lay it out as straightforward as possible.. they don't like to do the investigating in these cases and I can't blame them.
In areas where bestiality is legal, you can get law enforcement off their ass by using other laws such as distribution of bestiality material, possession of bestiality material, or just by the sex acts themselves.
One of the biggest problems with the JavaChicken situation was that it was a female human with a male dog.. most animal control officers either don't know how to handle or proceed with a situation like that, or don't believe it falls under animal abuse laws. There were other laws that JavaChicken was violating (IIRC licensing requiring dogs to be neutered, her dogs were not neutered and did not have vasectomies), but the police didn't take it seriously in the end. Unfortunately... one of Java's dogs got the short end of the stick and had to be rehomed because of the aggressive behavior he displayed due to the abuse.
If there is penetration going on (human penetrating an animal in some way), the police are far, far more likely to get off their asses as long as you do most of the legwork.

I've rambled on long enough, but felt the need to post this because it made me happy to see people taking this issue seriously again in the fandom.....
If I can give one tip for this, it's that you should form a small, extremely tight-knit, heavily-vetted, private group where you can gather evidence. Start with the small fish and you'll be lead to the big fish. Shut your mouth and don't get involved in the public exposing parties, they only work on small fry.

If you have any questions, I'd love to help.. I'm still working my way through this thread.


TL;DR - People still care about animal abuse, they just gather evidence privately.
 
I've been slowly working my way through this thread and decided to make an account for a number of reasons.. please pardon me if I'm late to something or that something has already been stated, there's a lot to dig through.

A few comments I've seen here are lamenting about the apparent back of sincere concern for abusers in the fandom, mostly from generic semi-popufurs claiming that "these people don't belong", or that we "can't tolerate these people in the community"..

In the mid-2000s, I was heavily active in exposing these animal sex abusers in the fandom. I was sick of the stigma that zoophiles in general experienced; the belief that they're your average hick in a farm in some backwoods area of a rural state, fucking cow in a barn, when the reality is (as you are all seeing now), much more sinister, sadistic, and insidious. I was tired of the fandom shrugging off these sick fucks as "just sick fucks", or "just dogfuckers", and never taking any real stance against it aside from the needless claims that they didn't support this form of animal abuse.

Congratulations, would you like a medal before you turn back to your tablet and continue to draw porn for these pieces of human garbage? The lack of participation in shunning and exposing these animal abusers from "popufurs" angered me, and they only appeared on their soapboxes to make a generic statement before continuing on. Eventually, these same popufurs realized (through the efforts of myself and others) that these animal abusers were commissioning furry porn of their characters with their own pets... and suddenly it was a big deal.

The original tactic was a scorch-the-Earth tactic. Find these members, dredge up all of their information and evidence, and expose it for the fandom to see. As you can imagine, this tactic failed immensely and while it did scare off some small fish, the larger fish took it as a warning to start deleting things, hiding evidence, changing fursonas and usernames, and going underground for a while.

Eventually we became more organized and began finding these users, quietly gathering information, and reporting directly to the authorities... which brings me to the main point: People didn't stop caring, they started going underground, just like the abusers themselves.
After JavaChicken was outed (miserably, what a shit-show that was), did you see how many furries were being arrested and charged? Don't lose faith in the sensible members of the community.

We have a very small group of heavily-vetted members quietly collecting evidence.. the problem goes far, far deeper than you can possibly imagine. There are large, serious groups of zoophiles (particularly prevalent in the Pacific-Northwest), brothels, and animal abuse rings run and used by furries. The thing about these abusers is that they don't mention it, you'd have absolutely no clue that these people are zoophiles or animal abusers, and they bump elbows with "popufurs". The small fish are the users who use the zeta symbols or outright state that they're zoophiles.
I was involved with this for years, but eventually had to cut back on the work and take some time for myself, this shit is seriously emotionally draining and I became numb and angry after seeing just how deep the rabbit hole goes. I can't even look at the censored images in here, it's just too much.

What's so mind-blowing to me is how someone like this Kero could be so prevalent in the community and yet be interested in the most horrendous, atrocious shit I've ever heard of.. normally the well-known furries in the spotlight tend to use an alternate username or use TOR servers and chatrooms as opposed to something like Telegram (seriously????).

An interesting (and sad) thing that I discovered in my work is that many (if not most) zoophiles are victims of child sexual abuse. They were either groomed or abused by an adult sexually, or were groomed/abused/introduced specifically into zoophilia when they were kids. The result that I've seen is that a huge amount of zoophiles are also interested in underage ("cub") art. I don't exactly know what the psychological connection between the two is, or if there is one at all, but it leads me to believe that an interest in "cub porn" can be connected to this early sexual trauma.

While I was never directly involved with zoosadists specifically, I know that this community is huge as well. I couldn't handle looking at regular animal sex abuse, let alone zoosadism.

The biggest problem that you experience when bringing punishment to animal sex abusers is getting law enforcement to take them seriously. You'll need to do all of the leg work, draw all of the lines, and lay it out as straightforward as possible.. they don't like to do the investigating in these cases and I can't blame them.
In areas where bestiality is legal, you can get law enforcement off their ass by using other laws such as distribution of bestiality material, possession of bestiality material, or just by the sex acts themselves.
One of the biggest problems with the JavaChicken situation was that it was a female human with a male dog.. most animal control officers either don't know how to handle or proceed with a situation like that, or don't believe it falls under animal abuse laws. There were other laws that JavaChicken was violating (IIRC licensing requiring dogs to be neutered, her dogs were not neutered and did not have vasectomies), but the police didn't take it seriously in the end. Unfortunately... one of Java's dogs got the short end of the stick and had to be rehomed because of the aggressive behavior he displayed due to the abuse.
If there is penetration going on (human penetrating an animal in some way), the police are far, far more likely to get off their asses as long as you do most of the legwork.

I've rambled on long enough, but felt the need to post this because it made me happy to see people taking this issue seriously again in the fandom.....
If I can give one tip for this, it's that you should form a small, extremely tight-knit, heavily-vetted, private group where you can gather evidence. Start with the small fish and you'll be lead to the big fish. Shut your mouth and don't get involved in the public exposing parties, they only work on small fry.

If you have any questions, I'd love to help.. I'm still working my way through this thread.


TL;DR - People still care about animal abuse, they just gather evidence privately.

It seems as though this sort of thing is what furry convention infrastructure was built on. Does that seem to be the case in your experience? I can't help but notice that when you look at how staff or a lot of furries usually talk about issues with the "fandom", it's less "this is an issue" and more "this is something that might make us look bad". No matter how many furries are casual cartoon fetishists, it takes someone with an extra amount of motivation to actually organize and get events or websites set up, and pedo/bestiality rings are the sort of things that take more infrastructure than shitposting doodles of lizard ladies. Is it wrong to assume that these people running conventions is the rule rather than the exception?
 
Has anyone been reporting this to the convention hotels, and letting them know that this is what these conventions are known for now? Conventions have been shut down for a lot less than half of the internet suddenly recognizing them as child and animal rape Meccas. I'd send them emails letting them know about both the allegations, and the fact that those involved in the scandal are major faces of the community (Kero's Shane Dawson interview etc).

If there's any mention in the logs about them possibly meeting up at a con, that could be used as a starting point. Con chairs could and should be pressured to ban these people. With the hotels, I think you're going to need some more solid evidence of organized kiddie fiddling in order to get them to take action. Cons make money, after all.

If we can get more conventions to publicly issue bans for these guys from public pressure, that might stoke the fires a bit so that this shit isn't forgotten.
 
If there's any mention in the logs about them possibly meeting up at a con, that could be used as a starting point. Con chairs could and should be pressured to ban these people. With the hotels, I think you're going to need some more solid evidence of organized kiddie fiddling in order to get them to take action. Cons make money, after all.

If we can get more conventions to publicly issue bans for these guys from public pressure, that might stoke the fires a bit so that this shit isn't forgotten.

I'd hope to get furry conventions banned entirely someday but that's probably not realistic, at least not now. These things have been evil from the beginning.
 
Well. At least it's being exposed, right? I have the feeling that back during the noughties (or whatever the fuck you call the 2000's) if something like this happened there'd be a much larger attempt at covering it up. I'm pretty sure there was another 'popufur' (i hate that word) who was fucking animals too, but it kept getting brushed under the rug because 'muh fursuit maker'. (Jazz? Java? It was the fucker who made that polar bear suit)
 
It seems as though this sort of thing is what furry convention infrastructure was built on. Does that seem to be the case in your experience? I can't help but notice that when you look at how staff or a lot of furries usually talk about issues with the "fandom", it's less "this is an issue" and more "this is something that might make us look bad". No matter how many furries are casual cartoon fetishists, it takes someone with an extra amount of motivation to actually organize and get events or websites set up, and pedo/bestiality rings are the sort of things that take more infrastructure than shitposting doodles of lizard ladies. Is it wrong to assume that these people running conventions is the rule rather than the exception?

Con chairs and organizers absolutely turn a blind eye to abuse, and it’s definitely viewed as more of “this makes us look bad” rather than anything else.. this is why people like Growly are still able to attend cons without getting their teeth kicked down their throats. Most furries turn a blind eye; they don’t like conflict and like to maintain the image of being tolerant and friendly, regardless of who this attracts.

I apologize if I misinterpreted what you mean by infrastructure for pedos/zoos, but no.. there are no “petting zoos” (as quoted in a previous post) or con-organized brothels taking place in furry conventions.

Tight-knit zoophile groups will meet up at cons and a couple people may bring pets. ASA (animal sex abuse) isn’t rampant at cons but it definitely happens. Cons really need to ban bringing pets to cons, there’s no logical reason to continue allowing them.

Considering many con organizers are completely spineless and would rather hold up a reputation, I can’t imagine they would take a stand of banning animals if a hotel or location allows them, purely for the purpose of minimizing animal abuse.


Edited to add: Needlemouse, Java/Wild-Life/JavaChicken is the furry you’re thinking of. They continue to make fur suits and are still very popular.
The furry fandom has a knack for sweeping things under the rug if they make nice art.
 
Con chairs and organizers absolutely turn a blind eye to abuse, and it’s definitely viewed as more of “this makes us look bad” rather than anything else.. this is why people like Growly are still able to attend cons without getting their teeth kicked down their throats. Most furries turn a blind eye; they don’t like conflict and like to maintain the image of being tolerant and friendly, regardless of who this attracts.

I apologize if I misinterpreted what you mean by infrastructure for pedos/zoos, but no.. there are no “petting zoos” (as quoted in a previous post) or con-organized brothels taking place in furry conventions.

Tight-knit zoophile groups will meet up at cons and a couple people may bring pets. ASA (animal sex abuse) isn’t rampant at cons but it definitely happens. Cons really need to ban bringing pets to cons, there’s no logical reason to continue allowing them.

Considering many con organizers are completely spineless and would rather hold up a reputation, I can’t imagine they would take a stand of banning animals if a hotel or location allows them, purely for the purpose of minimizing animal abuse.


Edited to add: Needlemouse, Java/Wild-Life/JavaChicken is the furry you’re thinking of. They continue to make fur suits and are still very popular.

The furry fandom has a knack for sweeping things under the rug if they make nice art.
Thanks,

What I mean by infrastructure is less literal organized brothels and more just the general infrastructure of the furry community: conventions, websites, etc. What I'm thinking of could be compared to political demonstrations in that regular people might agree with them ideologically and attend, but the organizers have a vested interest and bigger reason to be putting in the money and effort. In the case of convention organizers, they'd have to have an especially high interest in creating the sorts of environments where at the very least extreme promiscuity is possible.

It sounds like what you're saying is that the majority of staff aren't likely to be involved in anything particularly egregious (by gay furry standards), which is a relief to hear. It sounds more like they're turning a blind eye for the same reason other furries do, which is that the same infrastructure they rely on is used by the Zoosadists and to root out one would mean threatening all of them. They feel like it gives meaning to their lives and they can't imagine a world without it.
 
It sounds more like they're turning a blind eye for the same reason other furries do, which is that the same infrastructure they rely on is used by the Zoosadists and to root out one would mean threatening all of them. They feel like it gives meaning to their lives and they can't imagine a world without it.

That’s exactly it. Whether they or anyone else wants to admit it, zoophiles are rampant in the fandom and isolating or alienating a very large part of your member base will cause the throne they like to sit on to topple and fall.
Rather than taking a stand or showing solidarity with victims of abuse or with people concerned about animal sex abuse, they want to remain on the top and pretend like it doesn’t happen.

Do you remember many years ago when Dragoneer of FurAffinity made an announcement that he wanted people to report zoophiles? I believe this was after a huge backlash.. possibly when a member of the site was arrested and his account was publicly linked in a news article to FA.

The claim was that if you had proof that people were admitting to abusing animals, you could message him and report them and he’d look into banning them... nothing ever came from it.
While nothing new for Dragoneer, this anti-abuse stance and claim of wanting to weed out abusers was just a mask to cover his ass from anyone on the “outside” looking in.
(This behavior was also repeated when he banned cub porn).

Con organizers aren’t likely to change anything unless something very big and very public comes to light at a convention, and even then it’s just going to be lip service.
 
That’s exactly it. Whether they or anyone else wants to admit it, zoophiles are rampant in the fandom and isolating or alienating a very large part of your member base will cause the throne they like to sit on to topple and fall.
Rather than taking a stand or showing solidarity with victims of abuse or with people concerned about animal sex abuse, they want to remain on the top and pretend like it doesn’t happen.

Do you remember many years ago when Dragoneer of FurAffinity made an announcement that he wanted people to report zoophiles? I believe this was after a huge backlash.. possibly when a member of the site was arrested and his account was publicly linked in a news article to FA.

The claim was that if you had proof that people were admitting to abusing animals, you could message him and report them and he’d look into banning them... nothing ever came from it.
While nothing new for Dragoneer, this anti-abuse stance and claim of wanting to weed out abusers was just a mask to cover his ass from anyone on the “outside” looking in.
(This behavior was also repeated when he banned cub porn).

Con organizers aren’t likely to change anything unless something very big and very public comes to light at a convention, and even then it’s just going to be lip service.

Ultimately, the only way these issues will ever be settled is by getting these people to abandon sexual fetishism as the core part of their identity and spirituality. They hold on so tightly to these things because it's not just something they masturbate to, it's a twisted replacement for some essential human need that's missing from their lives. It's so hard to get them to recognize it because they'd have to look the despair and ressentiment that they were running from in the face, and we don't have respected celibates in modern society to turn to for positive examples. Celibates today are either "incels", autistic voluntary celibates, or Vatican II priests who keep showing up on the news. They're also raised to believe that everything is a "sexuality" that the normals just don't get, rather than degraded replacements for what those normals already have.
 
If I ever found out that a sibling was molesting my kid and sharing pics of them to pedophiles, they would be dead. No discussion needed. All it takes is one slip up from their part and it's all over.

Kind of makes you a piece of shit if you won't even stand by your family members when they have problems, but okay.
 
Wait, am I to understand that one of the "petting zoos" was found and it belongs to one of the owners of Bad Dragon?
(It's not the same one as the one I talked about, it's in a different area. There's at least one more out there)
 
I was giving this a thought, and it dawned on me that while these people being comfortable in their little ring with this stuff not only is terrible for the fandom but also terrible in general, but it’s also the main reason that this stuff was found. Had they not felt at least somewhat relaxed sharing this stuff off the dark web, they wouldn’t have slipped up and these fuckers wouldn’t get caught. And it’s better that they see justice than we go with it out of sight, out of mind.
 
Wait, am I to understand that one of the "petting zoos" was found and it belongs to one of the owners of Bad Dragon?
(It's not the same one as the one I talked about, it's in a different area. There's at least one more out there)
Interesting you bring them up. Bad Dragon was founded on cocaine and zoo money. Its founder was known to have deep zoo connections, and the staff are very pro-zoo. Enough reason for a boycott, besides, you know, the whole plastic horse cock thing.
 
Ultimately, the only way these issues will ever be settled is by getting these people to abandon sexual fetishism as the core part of their identity and spirituality. They hold on so tightly to these things because it's not just something they masturbate to, it's a twisted replacement for some essential human need that's missing from their lives. It's so hard to get them to recognize it because they'd have to look the despair and ressentiment that they were running from in the face, and we don't have respected celibates in modern society to turn to for positive examples. Celibates today are either "incels", autistic voluntary celibates, or Vatican II priests who keep showing up on the news. They're also raised to believe that everything is a "sexuality" that the normals just don't get, rather than degraded replacements for what those normals already have.
i think i might be an outlier with this opinion (at least on KF), but i don't think open sexuality is the problem here. honestly, it's probably one of the only factors in the furry community that keeps a lot of them from hurting themselves or others; nothing wrong with sex (eg: not raping animals or children), even if it's fucking bizarro-sex.

i do agree it shouldn't be the centerpiece of their existence, but an outlet is an outlet. and in a community of misfits, you want that energy going somewhere. if the ultimate result is a lotta used Kleenex, so be it.

furries definitely have to stop it with the "total-acceptance" shit, however; there has to be a reasonable level of kinkshaming present (like don't display your fetish in public, don't rape animals/children, etc), otherwise you get a situation like the zoosadism fiasco. better believe this behavior is more wide-spread than just the few people implicated in those leaks, but sex-positivity on its own did not cause this.
 
Wait, am I to understand that one of the "petting zoos" was found and it belongs to one of the owners of Bad Dragon?
(It's not the same one as the one I talked about, it's in a different area. There's at least one more out there)
Speaking of didlo manufacturers and dubious things, there's a lesser-known-but-still popular dildo manufacturer, Exotic Erotics, that also makes live cast animal toys. For that real feel, I guess. Sounds more to me like some thinly veiled excuse to wank animals.
 
i think i might be an outlier with this opinion (at least on KF), but i don't think open sexuality is the problem here. honestly, it's probably one of the only factors in the furry community that keeps a lot of them from hurting themselves or others; nothing wrong with sex (eg: not raping animals or children), even if it's fucking bizarro-sex.

i do agree it shouldn't be the centerpiece of their existence, but an outlet is an outlet. and in a community of misfits, you want that energy going somewhere. if the ultimate result is a lotta used Kleenex, so be it.

furries definitely have to stop it with the "total-acceptance" shit, however; there has to be a reasonable level of kinkshaming present (like don't display your fetish in public, don't rape animals/children, etc), otherwise you get a situation like the zoosadism fiasco. better believe this behavior is more wide-spread than just the few people implicated in those leaks, but sex-positivity on its own did not cause this.
If anything, the sex-positivity went too far. Not only what caused this, though. I think it’s part coincidence, part echo chamber. There’s no doubt even bigger zoosadist and pedo rings on the dark web that has no relation to furries. Seems like the furry ones are merely the ones who get caught because they can’t be fucked to use the right means of secrecy.
 
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