US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[mold]

Sounds to me employers should have forged vax passports instead of letting go their valuable employees.

most employers who would do this are already the fuck out of dodge years ago and has set up in a post-soviet bloc state or in the caribbean

I am very interested to see what happens with the good employers who are left, who care about their people and want to stay in business, when the booster mandates starts. Because everyone knows now that even if you're ok with taking the booster you are probably gonna miss at least one day of work.

 

[Billy Beer]

Any ideas along those lines cannot work unless you severely limit international trade. The US doesn't allow a company to be bigger than X capitalization? Okay, so the company moves to a country that does and continues to do business in the US. What are you going to do? Introduce big tariffs on foreign business? Well that's my point - you can't do these sorts of ideas without ways of limiting international trade and restricting capital flight.

As to this idea specifically? Companies are legal constructs. People invest in them to make a profit. You're now limiting investment in your country's companies. You're also hamstringing companies' forecasting and potential. "Oh, no! We had a better year than expected. We're going to hit the cap, we'll be forced to break up our company / start giving away our profit". You're essentially incentivising companies to do worse. The practical version of what you're talking about would be less of a cap and more like progressive taxation for companies. Some countries already do this.

There isn't really a one-size fits all approach to "does a company really need X dollars". For one, companies rarely have uninvested money in large quantities. They keep some for liquidity but they're already incentivised not to do that because uninvested money is unprofitable money. It's a risk-balance thing. And that is influenced by the nature of the business and market conditions. Frankly, I do not rate the government's competence to judge such things better than the companies' own self-interests. And if you're talking about profits, then that's bringing us back to it being the investor's money. You'd be better off taxing investor's profits - which is what is done.

I think you're underlying goal is to reduce the power of big companies. To do that I would rather advocate limiting lobbying and the revolving door between business and government ("Congratulations on your election, Senator - we'll pencil in the Goldman Sach's board position for 2028, shall we?"). And also strengthening and purging the institutions that are supposed to patrol companies like the SEC.

With the possible exception of de-privatising the Federal Reserve, I'd say we have a corruption problem more than we have a fundamentals problem. I.e. it's less the design that needs fixing but the implementation. The rot is deep.

That's a good way of putting it. I love the capitalist system and would never want to hamper profit. But, IMO, unless we do something about the massive over-reach of, lets face it, American companies (amazon, microsoft/nsa alliance, facebook, youtube, google, instagram and twitter censorship of information), then the whole system is at failure of collapse, at best. At worst would be something out of a 1970's sci-fi film about 'corporations' running the world.

So yeah, we need to do something about the rot. Give me all of the rainbows, but i want to see money poured in to technology to help the human race. That would lead to a discussion of what 'help' is, but I know it isn't any of the shit we're doing at the moment. I believe in green energy, but its ice-skating up hill if we keep on making junk shite products for the sake of increased profits.

 

[HandsomeDan]

We will see how this plays out...

 

[Scale Smerch]

Take for example, california. If no food could get to that city for 7 days, how long would it be before it turned in to South Africa?

South Africa is being quite optimistic. If you cut any modern city off from food, seven days is all it would take to see that city descend into full out anarchy.

 

[mold]

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https://twitter.com/profgalloway/status/1442613458432929794

87% of the entering Harvard freshman class had turned 18 by Nov 3, 2020? seems unlikely

 

[LurkTrawl]

That's a good way of putting it. I love the capitalist system and would never want to hamper profit. But, IMO, unless we do something about the massive over-reach of, lets face it, American companies (amazon, microsoft/nsa alliance, facebook, youtube, google, instagram and twitter censorship of information), then the whole system is at failure of collapse, at best. At worst would be something out of a 1970's sci-fi film about 'corporations' running the world.

So yeah, we need to do something about the rot. Give me all of the rainbows, but i want to see money poured in to technology to help the human race. That would lead to a discussion of what 'help' is, but I know it isn't any of the shit we're doing at the moment. I believe in green energy, but its ice-skating up hill if we keep on making junk shite products for the sake of increased profits.

I'm with you %100 but the only man who could've helped with the current megacorp situation has been dead for a while.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

My favorite aspect of American communists is that "the rich" are always conveniently placed just one rung higher on the social class ladder than the person in question.

 

[Vaclav]

Capitalism isn't cronyism. What you are complaining about isn't capitalism it's cronyism.

Lololol libertarian ideology. Capitalism is cronyism, they are one and the same. Imagining that you can have a market system where groups of people don't collude to give themselves an advantage is no different from communists who think they can indoctrinate people into not forming hierarchies and competing with other tribal groups. Both belief systems think they can override human instinct.

Here's the other problem, the system cannot be saved. It will collapse. Prepare for the collapse, stop trying to save the system that is literally crumbling before our eyes. Part of these lockdowns has been kicking the financial collapse we are due down the road with all the influx of money to keep this debt based economy afloat. The solution isn't goverment control it's having better human beings in charge who are actually good people and don't think having 30%+ of a country's economy ties into an industry that doesn't actually provide any material benefit to the majority of the population. That problem doesn't get solved by the goverment dictating how much money someone can make.

The collapse is most likely coming, on that I agree with you. But the real problem is with culture, not policy. The business class in the US has no loyalty to the country and is happy to do things like sell hormone replacement therapy to children to shore up their profits. Passing laws to force social changes means that the battle for those principles has already been lost because people didn't step up to make the change themselves. The rot of US culture is what has allowed neoliberalism to devastate the country and the only way to push back is to give people something to believe in in the midst of the hellscape that is the current US public consciousness.

 

[Billy Beer]

It really can't though. Unless you're going to keep the owners of these corporations held in your country at gunpoint or some shit, which is just the beginning of the headfuck-worthy cavalcade of problems that arise when thinking of how to implement such a system without it all devaluing down to Zimbabwe funny money.

Smarter men than us have created solutions to problems not even known about. 1700's to 1900's was just an explosion of mad ideas that shaped the modern world, including finance and economics. Thought i do believe we, as a race, peaked around 1850 ish, and the radition since the 1950's has turned us all in to complete mongs.

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You realize there's more than just money involved with the problems that come from such a policy being instituted right?

We're a global economy aren't we? And pushing towards a one world government. When that happens, what will it matter which piece of the planet the bank sits in? Might as well solve this before it becomes in a reality in 9 years.

Well that's being done in the UK at the moment. Power companies are capped on how much they can charge per unit. Given the UK's sudden energy crunch leading to 1000% increase in wholesale energy costs and the UK govts. refusal to budge on how much companies are allowed to charge their customers for it (profit capping, essentially), we've had 10 or so energy companies go bust in the last week. By the end of the year, it's projected we might go from 40 energy companies in the UK down to just 7 very big ones. An increase in monopolization. Due to profit capping like you say.

Profit capping kills businesses that can't increase their prices above the competition? I'm not as economically savvy as you (not a dig, just an observation) but i struggle to see the difference between the two paths, if both end with dead companies.

Capitalism isn't cronyism. What you are complaining about isn't capitalism it's cronyism.

I'm agaisnt a cap on profits for the same reason I'm agaisnt mandating the vaxx. The goverment should never be in control of what people do. Do you trust the goverment to set a reasonable cap? To stick to that cap? To apply it equally to everyone including the private entities that essentially own them? I don't. Since I don't believe they can do any of that, I'd rather not set up a situation that inevitably leads to outright communism.

Here's the other problem, the system cannot be saved. It will collapse. Prepare for the collapse, stop trying to save the system that is literally crumbling before our eyes. Part of these lockdowns has been kicking the financial collapse we are due down the road with all the influx of money to keep this debt based economy afloat. The solution isn't goverment control it's having better human beings in charge who are actually good people and don't think having 30%+ of a country's economy ties into an industry that doesn't actually provide any material benefit to the majority of the population. That problem doesn't get solved by the goverment dictating how much money someone can make.

Thanks for clearing up the terminology, and i suppose the one element I'm overlooking, for want of a better term, is the government. In my autistically ideal world, the government doesn't interfere and is more of an auditor. It keeps things in balance, for the good of all, rather than stepping in to skim money off of places and being corrupt arms of the mega-elite. DIdn't the greeks/romans/spartans solve this issue by electing either a load of people, or peasants and rich alike? Off topic: I believe a government should be a rule of 3, rather than parties taking turns, and the public vote on any outcomes that are deadlocked. All the rainbows are belong to me.

South Africa is being quite optimistic. If you cut any modern city off from food, seven days is all it would take to see that city descend into full out anarchy.

I don't mean bare shelves for 7 days, i just mean no replenishment.

I'm with you %100 but the only man who could've helped with the current megacorp situation has been dead for a while.
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How would the monopoly man help? (I'm guessing that's some previous American fella who did good?)

My favorite aspect of American communists is that "the rich" are always conveniently placed just one rung higher on the social class ladder than the person in question.

Communists don't hate the rich, they only hate those richer than themselves, and they use the poor/peasentry as a way of dragging those rich down.

 

[Pig Cups]

Same. I work for Diversity and Inclusion Incorporated, but the HR emails haven't deviated from the standard "wait and see, collecting data, you can come back to the office sometime in the distant foggy future".

I work for a Fortune 500 company with 25,000+ employees, based in a blue state. They gave the office employees the choice of either testing weekly and masking at all times or getting the vaccine and submitting proof. The company was very progressive on working remotely well before the pandemic, but they’re now requiring remote employees regardless of where they’re based (and we have people working all over the US and globe) to get vaxxed even if they never set foot anywhere near the office.

They just went hog wild, which is unsurprising as the company culture is steeped in wokescold nonsense (yes, we do have a Chief Racism Diversity Officer). I had already gotten vaxxed as my own choice well before the email was sent out, but if they decide to mandate boosters, I will start looking for something else and make it their decision to fire me. Fuck that.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Lololol libertarian ideology. Capitalism is cronyism, they are one and the same. Imagining that you can have a market system where groups of people don't collude to give themselves an advantage is no different from communists who think they can indoctrinate people into not forming hierarchies and competing with other tribal groups. Both belief systems think they can override human instinct.

I would write a rebuttal to this but...

The collapse is most likely coming, on that I agree with you. But the real problem is with culture, not policy. The business class in the US has no loyalty to the country and is happy to do things like sell hormone replacement therapy to children to shore up their profits. Passing laws to force social changes means that the battle for those principles has already been lost because people didn't step up to make the change themselves. The rot of US culture is what has allowed neoliberalism to devastate the country and the only way to push back is to give people something to believe in in the midst of the hellscape that is the current US public consciousness.

You did it for me.

 

[LurkTrawl]

Site's fucking up again on quotes @Hot Cup of Joe

Smarter men than us have created solutions to problems not even known about. 1700's to 1900's was just an explosion of mad ideas that shaped the modern world, including finance and economics. Thought i do believe we, as a race, peaked around 1850 ish, and the radition since the 1950's has turned us all in to complete mongs.

I'm far from an economist but there are ideas that exist to combat the kind of corporate oligopoly that we're currently living with.

We're a global economy aren't we? And pushing towards a one world government. When that happens, what will it matter which piece of the planet the bank sits in? Might as well solve this before it becomes in a reality in 9 years.

While I disagree on the global government thing, I get where you're coming from with the global economy idea. The problem is that you'd have to wrangle the tax money from a company overseas, and if they stop doing business entirely with your country, what then? There's other problems such as companies of that sort pulling business out of the U.S. wholesale and just leaving abandoned husks of stores, warehouses, etc. with all employees just out on their asses and down on their luck.

How would the monopoly man help? (I'm guessing that's some previous American fella who did good?)

He's Theodore Roosevelt, and one of the things he's famous (or infamous, I guess) for doing was busting up companies that got too large. He was a major advocate for nipping companies in the bud before they got to the point where they're at nowadays, and was vehemently against the kind of shit you see today.

If you went back in time and explained this image to him, he'd probably demand to be cryogenically frozen so that he could be thawed out to destroy this shit in the modern age.

 

[Michael Wade]

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We will see how this plays out...

Oh nice. I missed this guy after twitter blocked him Jan 6

https://www.theepochtimes.com/prote...20562.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=gp

https://noahreport.com/aoc-deals-blow-to-dems-no-on-infrastructure-unless-things-change/

 

[CrippleThreat]

I'm going to blow your mind: California has vast petroleum reserves, enough to meet the needs of Californians for decades and more. It isn't pumped anymore because "muh environment".

But if you are going to allow every illegal to slum in California, then the state cannot meet the needs of everyone and becomes trash. As it is currently atm.

When you think about it, it makes sense that managed and deliberate decline is the only way to bring a godsend of a nation like America to ruin.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Majority in new poll distrusts Biden on COVID-19

A majority of Americans questioned in a new survey says President Biden cannot be trusted on the coronavirus pandemic

www.google.com

You know, I want to know what these people who voted for Biden are thinking right now.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Majority in new poll distrusts Biden on COVID-19

A majority of Americans questioned in a new survey says President Biden cannot be trusted on the coronavirus pandemic

www.google.com

You know, I want to know what these people who voted for Biden are thinking right now.

They probably would be in one of two camps:

1. HEAVILY regretting their decision, waking up to reality but don't want to admit it (or have admitted it)
2. Doubling Down on their stupidity due to being so brainwashed

 

[CHARizard]

This actually hit the front page of reddit, a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

 

[Ponzo]

They probably would be in one of two camps:

1. HEAVILY regretting their decision, waking up to reality but don't want to admit it (or have admitted it)
2. Doubling Down on their stupidity due to being so brainwashed

My sympathy for those people is gone. They don't have any excuse, Biden has been in office for decades, its not like he was a fresh candidate nobody knew anything about. It was also pretty clear during the debates that Biden is just an empty establishment shell due to his declining mental health and that someone else was going to pull the strings. Like her or not but they had the chance to have Tulsi but chose to go with the senile serial sniffer and kumswalla.

 

[Michael Wade]

https://conservativebrief.com/cotton-asks-51973/?utm_source=CB&utm_medium=ProTrumpNews

"you know, my dad didn’t get a choice to resign, in Iwojima, and those kids there at Abbey Gate, they don’t get a choice to resign, and I’m not going to turn my back on them.”

“I’m not going to resign, they can’t resign, so I’m not going to resign,” he said. “There’s no way. If the orders are illegal, we’re in a different place. But if the orders are legal from civilian authority, I intend to carry them out.”

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

I work for a Fortune 500 company with 25,000+ employees, based in a blue state. They gave the office employees the choice of either testing weekly and masking at all times or getting the vaccine and submitting proof. The company was very progressive on working remotely well before the pandemic, but they’re now requiring remote employees regardless of where they’re based (and we have people working all over the US and globe) to get vaxxed even if they never set foot anywhere near the office.

They just went hog wild, which is unsurprising as the company culture is steeped in wokescold nonsense (yes, we do have a Chief Racism Diversity Officer). I had already gotten vaxxed as my own choice well before the email was sent out, but if they decide to mandate boosters, I will start looking for something else and make it their decision to fire me. Fuck that.

I have little doubt this is on the way for me. I'm keeping my ear to the ground. My HR department is bizarrely cautious about this shit. Which an HR department should be, but I'm not accustomed to HR departments taking any caution when it comes to implementing lefty NPC bullshit. If they mandate the vax, I'll weigh my options. I'm either going to let them fire me, or I'm going to be the goodest good citizen who definitely got it months ago, now where is that darn card it must be under my DNC membership card in the pile of CONSOOM funkos I also definitely have.