When did normies become "woke"?

[LeChampion1992]

The earliest I saw SJW shit being pushed was in the 1990's near the end (start of early 2000's) first time I saw it was on forums like Game Faqs which ironically had some of the most left wing (by yesterday's standards) tos rules of it's time. People followed it to keep in line. Around 2005 is when I began seeing pushes of "including gay characters and minorities because representation" this was before hearing of it popping up on campus which I didn't hear about until 2010-2014. 2011 was my first argument with what we now call the SJW mindset, and the problem is they were good at manipulating the conversation with good intentions which used debate magic and pseudo intellectual argument and that swooned normies over.

It wasn't until around 2015 (late) and 2016 I saw youtubers start adopting SJW mindset to their fanbases, and those fearful of it (Thoughty-Two for instance)

The reason the SJW's took over normies is because they took it over with violence and force and since the right sat by like a good little boy normies adopted it in fear of facing violenc and these people would attack and force it on their own families.. The SJW ideas had begun to bleed into movies for decades. I sometimes rewatch old movies that I never noticed politics in and notice they have them in it. Subtle but they reinforced it to effect those with weak minds to push it on them so they would adopt those values. Since normies adopt things they see such as subliminally it wasn't hard to brainwash them over time. We're talking 1960-1970 movies here.

By 2018-2020 Normies had become part of the woke crowd or protecting it or "not noticing any SJW politics" because it became normal for them.

The problem when people claimed SJW's lost is those people were blind. Since 2011 I warned people of the left myself, when I first became aware of their insanity (around the first time I began debating them) The others were people who wanted to believe "oh it was just a temporary thing and it would fade." Now we have kids being trooned out on average and child abuse has become common or the sexualization of children.

The big issue many will have to realize is some ideologies should NEVER be allowed in society and even violence may not be out of question to stop it or gate keep it from taking hold, because now even normies are SJW-lites. Until the after effects hurt them and then they fall right back in line again regardless of ramifications. Many Boomers still just see the left as just "gayer and more diverse" instead of genocidal and nuts as they are.

A lot of people will realize they've changed from their initial position too but that is because of the overton window shifting largely over time to the left, and as a counter to how far the left is.

Yeah the issue with the right and it's biggest failure is the fact the right wing consistently caves into the far left. Like the stonetoss meme in 15 years Republicans are going to call the neo leninists the real transphobes. Gay marriage went from being universally opposed on the right wing in 2001 to 2021 if you misgender someone at a conservative Inc conference you'll get ostracized from the republican party structure. Look at Nick fuentes, and how scared con inc is of groypers despite them being nothing more the edgy kids ultimately. It starts by this con inc guy will stand proudly against transgender menace and protect our kids. Then the con inc guy will try to control the narrative by saying. "Hey troons are bad but we can't be transphobic, eventually they will begin to barter with them saying okay trans sports are fine but trans bathrooms is our limit. To finally we have always been for trans rights to begin with. For progressives they constantly see history as a line of continual progress in their eyes humans have never technologically or scientifically regressed. They see dark ages as simply stagnation periods. It's unironically because of this worldview they can justify trans kids as it's the next step to transhumanism and ending all of our issues as a species. The woke shit in the way it's being pushed will lead to something seen during the french revolution. It will create a power vacum and a self styled Napoleon or Hitler of the day will take over. History has gone through constant cycles of this.

 

[TitusOvid]

When corporations largely adopted it and teamed up with leftists to harass and belittle anyone who didn't agree with it.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Yeah the issue with the right and it's biggest failure is the fact the right wing consistently caves into the far left. Like the stonetoss meme in 15 years Republicans are going to call the neo leninists the real transphobes. Gay marriage went from being universally opposed on the right wing in 2001 to 2021 if you misgender someone at a conservative Inc conference you'll get ostracized from the republican party structure. Look at Nick fuentes, and how scared con inc is of groypers despite them being nothing more the edgy kids ultimately. It starts by this con inc guy will stand proudly against transgender menace and protect our kids. Then the con inc guy will try to control the narrative by saying. "Hey troons are bad but we can't be transphobic, eventually they will begin to barter with them saying okay trans sports are fine but trans bathrooms is our limit. To finally we have always been for trans rights to begin with. For progressives they constantly see history as a line of continual progress in their eyes humans have never technologically or scientifically regressed. They see dark ages as simply stagnation periods. It's unironically because of this worldview they can justify trans kids as it's the next step to transhumanism and ending all of our issues as a species. The woke shit in the way it's being pushed will lead to something seen during the french revolution. It will create a power vacum and a self styled Napoleon or Hitler of the day will take over. History has gone through constant cycles of this.

Yep. It's why the right wing constantly loses non-right allies, because those who are trying to point out the insanity are branded "extremist" for daring to say these people are grooming children and the right acts like nothing is wrong while the whole cafe is on fire. The whole trying to ally themselves with democrat voting minorities (But they'll be Christians, they'll vote right in a few years ) nonsense is also infuriating.

Like when they go to hug Hispanics and forget Hispanics had no problem stealing from the middle class for free gibs or the Black conservative groups voted for Biden over getting a potential free gib set.

It's less that they can't see the reality of the situation they are afraid if they admit the truth bad things will come from it while they ignore that ignoring those inherent truths (such as race different) has only led to more prolonged suffering and misery and potential genocide. The right's greatest failing is thinking acting in good intentions is a solid plan. It never was and never will be.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Yep. It's why the right wing constantly loses non-right allies, because those who are trying to point out the insanity are branded "extremist" for daring to say these people are grooming children and the right acts like nothing is wrong while the whole cafe is on fire. The whole trying to ally themselves with democrat voting minorities (But they'll be Christians, they'll vote right in a few years ) nonsense is also infuriating.

Like when they go to hug Hispanics and forget Hispanics had no problem stealing from the middle class for free gibs or the Black conservative groups voted for Biden over getting a potential free gib set.

It's less that they can't see the reality of the situation they are afraid if they admit the truth bad things will come from it while they ignore that ignoring those inherent truths (such as race different) has only led to more prolonged suffering and misery and potential genocide. The right's greatest failing is thinking acting in good intentions is a solid plan. It never was and never will be.

It's like this the right wing needs to go to the issues. Trump won in 2016 because of economic populism. The Obama recovery made most of middle america poor/poorer while the coastal cities got richer. I mean the whole gibs plan ignores the fact their base is white Americans and most white Americans feel underrepresented. Dems take minorty voters for granted but the gops outreach helps no one. They would do better to stick towards their guns and attack the left for being pedophiles and groomers. But at the end of the day the pricinpled conservatives are going to be the downfall of the right. It's like the libertarians who said but Facebook, Google and Twitter are private companies. Then they got their accounts banned and alternatives quashed. If the right wins it won't be because the rights winning. It's going to be because the left will become increasingly more deranged and out of touch with the average person.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

It's like this the right wing needs to go to the issues. Trump won in 2016 because of economic populism. The Obama recovery made most of middle america poor/poorer while the coastal cities got richer. I mean the whole gibs plan ignores the fact their base is white Americans and most white Americans feel underrepresented. Dems take minorty voters for granted but the gops outreach helps no one. They would do better to stick towards their guns and attack the left for being pedophiles and groomers. But at the end of the day the pricinpled conservatives are going to be the downfall of the right. It's like the libertarians who said but Facebook, Google and Twitter are private companies. Then they got their accounts banned and alternatives quashed. If the right wins it won't be because the rights winning. It's going to be because the left will become increasingly more deranged and out of touch with the average person.

Exactly. They need to realize the reason most of these other groups don't care about that selective sentence, is those groups come from countries or partake in those groups on average. So of course they don't care and right wingers need to realize this. "B-B-But I need more allies." Well if the right wins it will because those who could be potential allies will have enough and finally have extremist purges in this country. The only issue is those on the right might get a bullet too if and or when that time comes, can't have that same mistake repeat in the face of new potential enemies. The problem with the average person is normies will never stand against those forcing power. The right or those who ally with them have to take that power grasp or lose everything. There is no peaceful solution and them being insane as shown in history won't sway the ignorant masses who will say or do anything to continue their rat race.

The right also needs to start calling out their cowards. You wouldn't believe the amount of modern right wingers who tell me they fled from authoritarian countries and then advocate for basically losing because "They'd rather die than violate the constitution." Although the left stripping their rights seems a-ok to them. Cowards, morons, and stiff wrists.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Exactly. They need to realize the reason most of these other groups don't care about that selective sentence, is those groups come from countries or partake in those groups on average. So of course they don't care and right wingers need to realize this. "B-B-But I need more allies." Well if the right wins it will because those who could be potential allies will have enough and finally have extremist purges in this country. The only issue is those on the right might get a bullet too if and or when that time comes, can't have that same mistake repeat in the face of new potential enemies. The problem with the average person is normies will never stand against those forcing power. The right or those who ally with them have to take that power grasp or lose everything. There is no peaceful solution and them being insane as shown in history won't sway the ignorant masses who will say or do anything to continue their rat race.

The right also needs to start calling out their cowards. You wouldn't believe the amount of modern right wingers who tell me they fled from authoritarian countries and then advocate for basically losing because "They'd rather die than violate the constitution." Although the left stripping their rights seems a-ok to them. Cowards, morons, and stiff wrists.

That is the problem is the cowardly nature of the right wing but then again normies are like that too. People are to scared to say how they feel because of years of propaganda and you don't want to be seen as lowclass. There is also an element of snobbery within the right especially conservative Inc that hates the people who support them. They would rather be social justice warriors but because they're religious, white and male are pushed into the right instead.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

That is the problem is the cowardly nature of the right wing but then again normies are like that too. People are to scared to say how they feel because of years of propaganda and you don't want to be seen as lowclass. There is also an element of snobbery within the right especially conservative Inc that hates the people who support them. They would rather be social justice warriors but because they're religious, white and male are pushed into the right instead.

I've had a theory about this for a long time. If you look pre WW1, and pre WW2 the right wing used to be more resilient and courageous. I honestly believe that after those two wars most of the strong men died, and thanks to the weak (or bad) men and genes in society reproducing over their dead bodies it left the right merely existing as weak cowardly men with a few strong men in between. The problem is them being strong doesn't mean the strong remainders are intelligent.

Oh yes, that hatred might be from a place of envy, weak people hate the strong. Many right wing "followers" are more courageous than their leaders and middle men and speakers thus they loathe them and are willing to toss them under the bus or fight on behalf of other groups (black conservatives who betrayed them recently for instance)... I used to believe it was merely controlled opposition and that commies and socialist wormed their way into the system for long periods, but it honestly looks like they didn't have to sabotage them when they were planning it all on their own. Sure the aforementioned thought probably still happened, but it's baffling.

Honestly, I'm starting to believe the left has scared the people who are cowards to the right. The problem is the right was never a majority and the few strong men are either dumb and falling for propaganda, or hoping not to lose face and numbers so trying to capitulate to normies thus the shifting Overton window. Either way it won't work and the sooner the right or even centrist (who aren't all left-leaning >.>) learn this the better. Otherwise conspiracy theories people have that are coming true are going to look like sweet dreams in place of the nightmares about to descend.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Since this became the will of the ruling class. People like to think that they have free will. People who have actual power love for people to think that they have free will.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I've had a theory about this for a long time. If you look pre WW1, and pre WW2 the right wing used to be more resilient and courageous. I honestly believe that after those two wars most of the strong men died, and thanks to the weak (or bad) men and genes in society reproducing over their dead bodies it left the right merely existing as weak cowardly men with a few strong men in between. The problem is them being strong doesn't mean the strong remainders are intelligent.

Oh yes, that hatred might be from a place of envy, weak people hate the strong. Many right wing "followers" are more courageous than their leaders and middle men and speakers thus they loathe them and are willing to toss them under the bus or fight on behalf of other groups (black conservatives who betrayed them recently for instance)... I used to believe it was merely controlled opposition and that commies and socialist wormed their way into the system for long periods, but it honestly looks like they didn't have to sabotage them when they were planning it all on their own. Sure the aforementioned thought probably still happened, but it's baffling.

Honestly, I'm starting to believe the left has scared the people who are cowards to the right. The problem is the right was never a majority and the few strong men are either dumb and falling for propaganda, or hoping not to lose face and numbers so trying to capitulate to normies thus the shifting Overton window. Either way it won't work and the sooner the right or even centrist (who aren't all left-leaning >.>) learn this the better. Otherwise conspiracy theories people have that are coming true are going to look like sweet dreams in place of the nightmares about to descend.

Where we are headed for is a very very dark place. The left doesn't want to heal, they want revenge. Antifa wants to export their anti fascism to the world. At some point islamists and theocratic Christan conservatives are going to find themselves on the same page.
meanwhile if you look at the right wing they just want to grift or are cowardly. But the right needs to understand the left does not see them as equal. The left regularly dehumanizes the right wing. It is because of this the right wing will either have to become far right reactionaries or perish. Anyways take a look at the videos comments.

https://youtu.be/rYMIozCKxGE the video itself isn't a problem it's just vice "exposing" grifting preachers trying to be relevant. But if you look and read the comments they're very frightening. These people in the comment section are real people and the things they say and wish if they got power should frighten anyone. Because you have bitter angry bugmen that would happily throw religious people into reeducation camps and commit atrocities to win.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Where we are headed for is a very very dark place. The left doesn't want to heal, they want revenge. Antifa wants to export their anti fascism to the world. At some point islamists and theocratic Christan conservatives are going to find themselves on the same page.
meanwhile if you look at the right wing they just want to grift or are cowardly. But the right needs to understand the left does not see them as equal. The left regularly dehumanizes the right wing. It is because of this the right wing will either have to become far right reactionaries or perish. Anyways take a look at the videos comments.

https://youtu.be/rYMIozCKxGE the video itself isn't a problem it's just vice "exposing" grifting preachers trying to be relevant. But if you look and read the comments they're very frightening. These people in the comment section are real people and the things they say and wish if they got power should frighten anyone. Because you have bitter angry bugmen that would happily throw religious people into reeducation camps and commit atrocities to win.

The problem is where we are heading, the left won't be the only fear we have. We are importing a group of people who are majorly in with drug cartels that are seeing an increase of sex trafficking. They may side with the right for a time but sooner or later, they will betray the right too for their own power grasp, and they have some who are White within the Latino community but down the road you mgiht see them go "My fellow whites" routine similar to another tribe. They'll have targets on the left and journalist, and others for a time, but merely that.

It's why we either wait for that eventual communist take over, a race war that doesn't favor those of us fighting for liberty, or we stop it now. Sadly too many whites are demotivated, nad have given up on themselves that we're better off hoping for a new Hitler figure or face extinction long term.

The bugmen fucked up by allowing the Hispanics into the country who are mass populating it now, and even Commie Jews won't have enough time to stop the spread, and when or if they advocate for killing religious people the new population replacements will probably rise up against them and slaughter them. Unlike the older white fools, the Hispanic communities don't see Israel and Jews as a holy cow that can't be chastised.

Honestly, we have enemies on all sides, and people still want to deny it which is only going to get worse, I still believe it can be solved it won't be the good ending everyone wants no matter what, there aren't going to be a "everyone wins" solution, but for the sake of the future of the west I hope we can prevent this take over or it will be over long term.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Where we are headed for is a very very dark place. The left doesn't want to heal, they want revenge.

Revenge is exactly it, they went from being mad Trump is President to being mad he was ever allowed to be President to begin with and wanting payback for it.

Here we are almost a year after the 2020 election and yet nothing's changed, almost a year without Orange Man in the white house but the left hasn't calmed down, people haven't become any less deranged, they're still just as pissed off as when he was actually still President.

And they want to ensure nothing like that could ever happen again and are increasingly stepping on our freedom to do so.

The whole thing really revealed a very deep divide in the US that can probably only be sorted out with a war, a genie has been let out of the bottle.

 

[LeChampion1992]

The problem is where we are heading, the left won't be the only fear we have. We are importing a group of people who are majorly in with drug cartels that are seeing an increase of sex trafficking. They may side with the right for a time but sooner or later, they will betray the right too for their own power grasp, and they have some who are White within the Latino community but down the road you mgiht see them go "My fellow whites" routine similar to another tribe. They'll have targets on the left and journalist, and others for a time, but merely that.

It's why we either wait for that eventual communist take over, a race war that doesn't favor those of us fighting for liberty, or we stop it now. Sadly too many whites are demotivated, nad have given up on themselves that we're better off hoping for a new Hitler figure or face extinction long term.

The bugmen fucked up by allowing the Hispanics into the country who are mass populating it now, and even Commie Jews won't have enough time to stop the spread, and when or if they advocate for killing religious people the new population replacements will probably rise up against them and slaughter them. Unlike the older white fools, the Hispanic communities don't see Israel and Jews as a holy cow that can't be chastised.

Honestly, we have enemies on all sides, and people still want to deny it which is only going to get worse, I still believe it can be solved it won't be the good ending everyone wants no matter what, there aren't going to be a "everyone wins" solution, but for the sake of the future of the west I hope we can prevent this take over or it will be over long term.

Realistically speaking we should give up on the idea of a united america. Republics only Last about a quarter of a millenia. It would be better instead to take local control and foment secessionist movements to preserve Liberty. Sometimes in order to preserve Liberty and the Spirt of democracy and freedom one must abandon the nation founded on those ideals when the nation itself can no longer regulate itself. That's why as a right winger I am actively pushing for the breakup of the United States. Sure I will miss the old united states and what it stood for but I also would be foolish to want this system to continue for another hundred years. It would be impossible for it to do so. doing so would require an imperial system and that America no matter how much wealth it might have and how big it is on the map it would make the Russian Federation seem like the epitome of liberal democracy.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

People are generally decent, not saints but certainly not monsters, and wokism latched on to that. Most people don't hate other races just because they look different, or think there's anything wrong with normie gays who just want quiet lives with their husbands, or think women don't deserve the same rights as men, or feel like an extremely effeminate gay man who feels more comfortable dressing like a woman is a threat to them. So they shrugged an went along with it because they're good people and, in theory, they agreed with a lot of the things wokesters claimed to want.

Now that it's become more extreme people know something is wrong but wokesters have become so loud and gained so much institutional power, regular people are afraid of having their lives ruined and losing their livelihoods if the speak out.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Revenge is exactly it, they went from being mad Trump is President to being mad he was ever allowed to be President to begin with and wanting payback for it.

Here we are almost a year after the 2020 election and yet nothing's changed, almost a year without Orange Man in the white house but the left hasn't calmed down, people haven't become any less deranged, they're still just as pissed off as when he was actually still President.

And they want to ensure nothing like that could ever happen again and are increasingly stepping on our freedom to do so.

The whole thing really revealed a very deep divide in the US that can probably only be sorted out with a war, a genie has been let out of the bottle.

Yep we're doomed for another civil war. The civil war we get won't be nice or pretty in fact anyone who says you can't win against an army that has tanks bombs and jets doesn't seem to understand asymmetrical warfare even in the age of drone technology there are plenty of counter measures and small drones are cheap enough that some autist in his or her basement/garage can easily create drone bombs and use it on the government as well.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Realistically speaking we should give up on the idea of a united america. Republics only Last about a quarter of a millenia. It would be better instead to take local control and foment secessionist movements to preserve Liberty. Sometimes in order to preserve Liberty and the Spirt of democracy and freedom one must abandon the nation founded on those ideals when the nation itself can no longer regulate itself. That's why as a right winger I am actively pushing for the breakup of the United States. Sure I will miss the old united states and what it stood for but I also would be foolish to want this system to continue for another hundred years. It would be impossible for it to do so. doing so would require an imperial system and that America no matter how much wealth it might have and how big it is on the map it would make the Russian Federation seem like the epitome of liberal democracy.

The only problem I have the same that Young Rippah (Youtuber has proposed) is currently the left is never going to give up that power, and even if you did secede they would just infiltrate by bidding their time and pull the same thing again. They would blend in and wait until you don't notice and do the same brainwashing of children and leftist uprising. That's without bringing in ally armies to help them destroy those who secede and or what have you. In the long run, sooner or later violence will break out. This kicking the can down the road will lead to many causalities. Best pray they aren't your family or you yourself having your dreams cut short in the coming conflict.

The other issue is most of the groups will power struggle (race/ethnicity/etc.) even if you did remove the left from the equation. Just imagine a repeat of the Alamo or something similar to reclaim land to take it from our hands. It could happen, and no one would stop it. UN at best would condemn it and the left might aid those who would seek to claim it. I hate to quash such ideas, but no peaceful solution is outing us of this scenario. I wish it was feasible, I just do not have that faith in humanity alone let alone the pieces on our current chess board of it ever working out like that.

 

[LeChampion1992]

The only problem I have the same that Young Rippah (Youtuber has proposed) is currently the left is never going to give up that power, and even if you did secede they would just infiltrate by bidding their time and pull the same thing again. They would blend in and wait until you don't notice and do the same brainwashing of children and leftist uprising. That's without bringing in ally armies to help them destroy those who secede and or what have you. In the long run, sooner or later violence will break out. This kicking the can down the road will lead to many causalities. Best pray they aren't your family or you yourself having your dreams cut short in the coming conflict.

The other issue is most of the groups will power struggle (race/ethnicity/etc.) even if you did remove the left from the equation. Just imagine a repeat of the Alamo or something similar to reclaim land to take it from our hands. It could happen, and no one would stop it. UN at best would condemn it and the left might aid those who would seek to claim it. I hate to quash such ideas, but no peaceful solution is outing us of this scenario. I wish it was feasible, I just do not have that faith in humanity alone let alone the pieces on our current chess board of it ever working out like that.

Seperation or death is the only solution and realistically speaking the only way to survive is that way. Sure the left will do what they do best infiltrate and try to quash it. This is why we can't afford to lose we have to essentially realize seperation is the only way forward.

It's a zero sum game the left has made but the reason I say seperation is a way forward is it can buy us a couple of generations give us a chance to regroup, reorganize and rework things. But here is the thing the left has to destroy something but once something is completely destroyed by the left there seems to be very little incentive to go back that way. This is why eastern Europe is going the route of hard right democracies. Russia for all it's corruption and ineptitude won't ever let the communists gain a majority in the Dumas. People like young rippa get blackpilled because they fail to realize ultimately democracies aren't meant to last forever. Breaking up america to preserve the liberty will save it for perhaps a generation or two. But sometimes that's all you need to do. Because the left forgets times change on the global scale. The leftist movements of the turn of the century would be destroyed by neoliberalism in the later half. Now neoliberalism looks like it's going to be destroyed by intersectional multi culturalism. But alas intersectional multi culturalism won't last.

For me the break-up of the US seems like the only way we can save the ideals of the US at this point.

 

[GoingGrink]

Yeah the issue with the right and it's biggest failure is the fact the right wing consistently caves into the far left. Like the stonetoss meme in 15 years Republicans are going to call the neo leninists the real transphobes..

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Constant brainwashing of everyone. Also they target the youth, so most young people are indoctrinated. Conservatives tend to be older, and so therefore are literally dying out.

In with the woke, out with the sane. Simple as that. Import illegal Democrats to really stack the deck, and bonus points if you can convince non-Whites that conservatives are racist.

 

[Truman the Jewman]

Personally I believe Hoover and Harding ruined the good name of the Republican Party prior to WWII ever even starting, and all the Right has been RINO ever since, starting with Eisenhower as president--weak on civil rights, ineffectual and willing to give everything over to globalist interests just because of "muh WWII" and licking the asses of the newly Holocoastered (((interests))) of the world. This is where people like Soros got their start, mind.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I don't think woke is too normal. Powers that shouldn't be use woke to run the mainstream media and at least leftist politics, but as the recent election and "go woke go broke" show, about every other person doesn't like it. But they can't say much without being "cancelled".