US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Simple Moving Average]

Grandstanding. Zero chance of this happening. I'll eat a hat on camera (and actually come through unlike some, ahem) if something like this is passed.

The exact moment this is passed is the exact moment that the US won't be a thing anymore. Capital flight? Capital teleportation.

Fucking Pelosi and Sinema now too. It's starting to look like I need to start looking into hat acquisition pretty soon.. I did NOT expect this. Consequences will never be the same.

 

[mold]

I can admit I might be wrong, I said so from my very first posts. But I disagree with how you paint this picture, people, in the end, are people. And all indications outwardly and from how they have acted say that that those who run Big Tech aren't true believers, but instead opportunistic and power hungry,

for real you just said that "people are people?" the kinds of people who have the insanely high intelligence and the will zur macht to become players at the level that they are making deals with the government of the United States of American are *just people?* and you can model their motivations and actions the same way you would the mass of voters?

 

[Gehenna]

for real you just said that "people are people?" the kinds of people who have the insanely high intelligence and the will zur macht to become players at the level that they are making deals with the government of the United States of American are *just people?* and you can model their motivations and actions the same way you would the mass of voters?

Yes. Because in the end even powerful people tend to end up acting similar to eachother. Mind, individuals are harder to predict than groups. But that just means more research, more consideration of them as individuals, more consideration of what motivates them as a person.

But in the end, people are people. They want the same things, even if their reach and ability to grab said things are far larger. And the size of those things increases in corresponding relations.

It doesn't take a 5,000IQ galaxy brain to do either, it just takes the right training, the right mindset, and the ability to discern patterns. And a certain degree of autistic fervor for research.

 

[Basil Julep]

You guys in general just don't understand California. You know how you're all wigged out by how creepy you find Harris? She looks like a bazillion people I know, I know so many women who have her body language and facial expressions.

This x100. I have to explain to people from the Midwest how truly crazy California is. It is really easy to underestimate how insane they really are.

@Gehenna can you elaborate on what actions from big tech are more in line with being greedy/power-hungry rather than crazy woke?

 

[Mr Bunny]

You guys just don't understand China and how their system is, I asked a Chinaman he told me he can't complain.

 

[Wargarbl]

Fucking Pelosi and Sinema now too. It's starting to look like I need to start looking into hat acquisition pretty soon.. I did NOT expect this. Consequences will never be the same.

Unless I'm missing something, that is literally the most insane proposal I've ever heard from this admin, which is REALLY saying something.

How the fuck would that even work? Every day the market closes, you get a tax bill?

I read articles where they claim this would only affect "billionaires". Adorable. Kind of like the $600 bank account monitoring is to catch "rich tax cheats", right? There's no way they wouldn't end up taxing the fuck out of the middle class while giving the wealthy a loophole, as always.

Not only that, but as you've already pointed out: even if they actually wrote it correctly, billionaires aren't going to just sit back & take a huge financial loss like that. They'd find a dodge before the bill even passed.

This is either never seeing the light of day, or will be an optically-catastrophic tax on the middle class that the truly rich can avoid. No way in hell are billionaires alone getting an unrealized capital gains tax. They guys with the gold make the rules, and that's not a rule they'll accept.

 

[mold]

But in the end, people are people. They want the same things, even if their reach and ability to grab said things are far larger. And the size of those things increases in corresponding relations.

obviously not true from simple observation of how the small minority of people capable of running shit act but this is getting OT

on topic, I thought of a little story to illustrate the unreality of the idea that the Tech Lords will go GOP.

Imagine that you're a royal advisor for a European monarch during the Wars of Religion. You have a stroke and your brain opens a wormhole that causes you to slip timestreams and start perceiving the Soviet Union. You try to explain and anticipate the behavior of the Soviet rulers using your own understanding. Will they stay Orthodox? Will they align with Rome? Will they align with the Protestants?

Now while you could make up a story where Stalin woke up one day and got religion, in the actual historical context this is basically impossible. It is that level of impossible for the tech lords to support the GOP. Yeah sure the GOP exists. Yeah sure you can imagine it. It's not going to happen because they exist in a world where that is not possible, emotionally, cognitively, I don't know how to put it.

The flaw in my analogy is that the church doesn't have political power in the 20th century of course.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

You got a point dude but my god i cant read your posts in anything but the cawd's voice and it cracks me up

You must really loike me to want to tawk to me so much!

 

[Salubrious]

This is either never seeing the light of day, or will be an optically-catastrophic tax on the middle class that the truly rich can avoid.

That's what it is.

Every bill that is designed to "regulate businesses" are done to fuck over the smaller businesses. Walmart and Amazon can pay for regulation; Mom and Pop Smith cannot.

Same with the stock market. It's to ensure that something like Gamestop never happens again. It's intended to make sure that the upper middle-class doesn't join the elites.

It's like when Oprah gave everyone a new car and the IRS said "great, but that counts as income so you owe us $15K now", and people either had to sell their new cars or just turn them down all together.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Unless I'm missing something, that is literally the most insane proposal I've ever heard from this admin, which is REALLY saying something.

How the fuck would that even work? Every day the market closes, you get a tax bill?

I read articles where they claim this would only affect "billionaires". Adorable. Kind of like the $600 bank account monitoring is to catch "rich tax cheats", right? There's no way they wouldn't end up taxing the fuck out of the middle class while giving the wealthy a loophole, as always.

Not only that, but as you've already pointed out: even if they actually wrote it correctly, billionaires aren't going to just sit back & take a huge financial loss like that. They'd find a dodge before the bill even passed.

This is either never seeing the light of day, or will be an optically-catastrophic tax on the middle class that the truly rich can avoid. No way in hell are billionaires alone getting an unrealized capital gains tax. They guys with the gold make the rules, and that's not a rule they'll accept.

The short answer is - It wouldn't. Taxing speculative value, which is what unrealized gains really are, is an instant economic collapse as it actively destroys the concept of investment markets, and makes capital investment a net negative for any organization - Spending $100k to build a factory that pushes your corporate valuation up $500k will cost you more than the factory cost to build in taxes - And if you try to fund the expansion on investment income, your corporate valuation goes up as people buy shares, removing that income, and your shareholders are punished for this runaway valuation gain with taxes on that paper gain - Requiring selling assets to becoming liquid, cratering valuations and killing any investment incentives.

Its literally economic suicide.

 

[Gehenna]

This x100. I have to explain to people from the Midwest how truly crazy California is. It is really easy to underestimate how insane they really are.

@Gehenna can you elaborate on what actions from big tech are more in line with being greedy/power-hungry rather than crazy woke?

It's in large part how they go about the business. The most iconic one is Zuckerberg, so I'll use him as the example, The man fairly regularly talks to conservative pundits, with five separate meetings since 2013 on the record. This may not sound like a lot, but is five more than most -politicians- on the left do. These meetings are not unique to Facebook either, Facebook just gets lambasted the most.

So we have anear-annual meetings with the 'other side', which knocks some holes in him being an ideologue. Can we knock some more holes in this? Yes. His continued, albeit tepid, resistance to further locking down his platform, the repeated attempts to weasel around new Party mandates, the placement of people and institutions by him that serve only to slow down Party efforts without actually -doing- anything. All these indicate that he isn't in ideological lockstep with the Party.

But that doesn't provide a picture of his motivations, only what doesn't motivate him. Can we piece together that? Again, yes.

A constant attempt to gain more user information, the investment of his own capital into projects which don't have an ideological lense but let him tighten control of his users/his influence/his own people. The very carefully formed image of himself (The idea of him as a robot is -intentional-) which shows him apart from others, the absolutely obscene wealth he generates and rather pointedly doesn't share. Zuckerberg specifically isn't known for his philanthropy, in fact if you want to get money from him 'donated', you have to work for him. And that work is very rarely... in fact almost never ideological.

So we have someone who is constantly toeing but never embracing the party line, whose every action has been to gain power or money.

Now, this is far from an exhaustive list of what indicates either bit here, but I hope it helps paint the picture better.

on topic, I thought of a little story to illustrate the unreality of the idea that the Tech Lords will go GOP.

Oh for the love of.

Nobody said they were going GOP. Anybody who does say they are going GOP is an idiot. If that's what you thought I said you need to stop listening to the Armstrong guy. I said, rather explicitly, that going GOP is not an option. What I -did- say was that they might make a backroom deal that will mitigate the damage to themselves by tossing others buswards.

 

[mold]

I'm pretty sure you said exactly that but I could be wrong

if I'm right about big tech going full communist for emotional reasons, get ready to see a whole lot of astroturfed support for taxing unrealized gains

 

[Gehenna]

I'm pretty sure you said exactly that but I could be wrong

if I'm right about big tech going full communist for emotional reasons, get ready to see a whole lot of astroturfed support for taxing unrealized gains

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/joe-biden-news-megathread.69229/post-10289285

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/joe-biden-news-megathread.69229/post-10289375

I rather explicitly note going GOP is not an option, and that everything they did would be under the table. They can't even publically go to the -center-.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

Unless I'm missing something, that is literally the most insane proposal I've ever heard from this admin, which is REALLY saying something.

How the fuck would that even work? Every day the market closes, you get a tax bill?

I read articles where they claim this would only affect "billionaires". Adorable. Kind of like the $600 bank account monitoring is to catch "rich tax cheats", right? There's no way they wouldn't end up taxing the fuck out of the middle class while giving the wealthy a loophole, as always.

Not only that, but as you've already pointed out: even if they actually wrote it correctly, billionaires aren't going to just sit back & take a huge financial loss like that. They'd find a dodge before the bill even passed.

This is either never seeing the light of day, or will be an optically-catastrophic tax on the middle class that the truly rich can avoid. No way in hell are billionaires alone getting an unrealized capital gains tax. They guys with the gold make the rules, and that's not a rule they'll accept.

What about when your house or property increases in price? Those would be unrealized capital gains as well?

Remember how you’ll own nothing and be happy? This seems like a way to get there.

 

[mold]

What about when your house or property increases in price? Those would be unrealized capital gains as well?

Remember how you’ll own nothing and be happy? This seems like a way to get there.

yes this is absolutely being set up

be thankful that they've been forced to do it fast enough that it might scare people into organizing against it

 

[Kane Lives]

The timing is interesting, to say the least. I can't imagine they wanted to go this hard and fast that a group of groundnesting bird shitposters can see it coming.

 

[Simple Moving Average]

Unless I'm missing something, that is literally the most insane proposal I've ever heard from this admin, which is REALLY saying something.

How the fuck would that even work? Every day the market closes, you get a tax bill?

I read articles where they claim this would only affect "billionaires". Adorable. Kind of like the $600 bank account monitoring is to catch "rich tax cheats", right? There's no way they wouldn't end up taxing the fuck out of the middle class while giving the wealthy a loophole, as always.

Not only that, but as you've already pointed out: even if they actually wrote it correctly, billionaires aren't going to just sit back & take a huge financial loss like that. They'd find a dodge before the bill even passed.

This is either never seeing the light of day, or will be an optically-catastrophic tax on the middle class that the truly rich can avoid. No way in hell are billionaires alone getting an unrealized capital gains tax. They guys with the gold make the rules, and that's not a rule they'll accept.

Yeah people like me or people like my clients will just get up and fucking leave. Moved my family to another continent not even a year ago.

There is no way for this to end well if passed.

There's a reason I moved my family halfway around the world like a thief in the night. I expected bad things, very bad, but not this bad.

Trying to find the right words but can't right now..

EDIT: Ouch, owie, my grammar. Sorry about that.

 

[verissimus]

Which is hilarious, because below is the current front page of Yahoo.

This is why pandering doesn't work. For ALL the right-wing censorship Facebook and Reddit do, the mainstream media still treats them like they are Kiwi Farms.

It is NEVER good enough.

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The Left is just finding other ways to "fortify" the next election cycle by making sure Facebook tows the line.

 

[JosephStalin]

This x100. I have to explain to people from the Midwest how truly crazy California is. It is really easy to underestimate how insane they really are.

@Gehenna can you elaborate on what actions from big tech are more in line with being greedy/power-hungry rather than crazy woke?

The craziness in CA is largely confined to the coast, from Marin County down to the Mexican border. That part of coastal CA is, with many individual exceptions, the world's largest open-air insane asylum, from personal experience. The real whack jobs congregate in the cities/bigger towns. And, of course, there's Sacramento, where the crazies from the coast and their ilk have majorities in the legislature and the shithead "governor" resides. But there are still good places and good people in CA.

 

[thyme's up]

Random thoughts:

"Seatbelts, Everyone!" should be replace "Build Back Better". tfw when it's The Magic Schoolbus' world and we're just living in it.

To be fair, I'm willing to believe that vaccinated people are less likely to die from other causes. Just because of the SJW catchphrase: correlation does not equal causation.

People that get yearly physicals are healthier than people that don't. It's not BECAUSE of the physical, but because people that would get yearly physicals in the first place probably take better care of their health.

I'm willing to agree with them that people that got their shots PROBABLY ARE more likely to take better care of their overall health than people that don't care in the general population. Hell, the same probably with yearly flu shots. That doesn't mean that the vaccine MADE them healthier; that's just CNN propaganda.

Covid magically made the flu disappear. Of course the vaccines are going to magically cure everything from arthritis to Zika. Sauce: Pope Fauci and the always accurate, never changing CDC.

When the Republicans inevitably complain, the left will accuse the Republicans of only caring for the rich.

As such, you have manufactured an outrage and created an enemy to distract people with.

This, and also it throws a bone to the uninformed people of their base that they're trying to do something good for the American people, so they can point to it later. Politics 101.

Because he's not actually rash or impulsive. No, seriously. His personality is about 60% acting and 40% legitimate. He is prone to emotion, but hidden behind that emotion is the crude cunning of a buisnessman. He will seize upon an emotion, decide he wants to do something in the general about it, then apply that cunning to determine the best way to go about doing that thing.

Yes, the thing he decides he wants to do can be rash or impulsive, but his method of doing it is almost never so. That is what makes him scary to the establishment. The fact he will decide to do something then actually do it in a way that is effective. If he were purely driven by impulse he'd actually be fairly easy to lead to what they want to do.

Trump has his faults and made mistakes but he was able to get some things done, unlike now when the DNC/Uniparty have the executive and legislative branches and can't do a single thing without an EO or throwing the middle finger at the Supreme Court as they do an end run around it.

To add to what Gehenna said, Trump took that Obama mic drop moment about "At least I will be going down in history as a president" very, very personally. As in "Fuck you, I'm going to be the greatest President America's seen in years!" personally. And Trump ran an incredibly successful Presidential campaign, and a surprisingly successful Presidency when you consider he had more stab wounds in his back than Caesar did when he left office. Certainly not the actions of a purely impulsive man. And as he also said, Big Tech was shamelessly open about fucking with Trump and his desires, but it was the Establishment snakes who really did the most damage. You can negotiate with an open enemy, but traitors and backstabbers need to be dealt with in a very decisive manner.

He's still able to draw crowds and live rent free, so he's doing something right.

Nobody is a true believer in the Democratic Party anyway, people are true believers in the glorious revolution or antiracism or things that actually move people.

You might know California but you don't know the deep south, where you'll find true blue Yellow Dog democrats who'd vote for satan on their way to attend church service if he had a D behind his name. They've always voted D and they'll vote D until they die, regardless of who's running and what they stand for. They're part of the 30% true believers that keep Biden from hitting a 20s/teens approval rating. They're not only in the big cities either, it's just that they're outnumbered by conservatives in the more rural areas. But they exist.