US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Jaimas]

What would a full on progressive Dem party look like? What would map margins be if the party went that route in 2022?

Even when I was active in the DNC - and that was ages ago, back in a very different political climate - the progressives were seen, at best, as useful idiots by the establishment and at worst, political liabilities that had to be controlled. And this was during a time period where they weren't all cut from the same cloth as the DSA. I'll tell you about what they were like back then some other time; it's not important right now. What is is is that there was an active and ongoing attempt to keep them backing Dems that by all accounts, the Progressives wanted nothing to do with, but they were essentially forced to back via the magic of "vote more and better Democrats."

Which is fucking rich, when you remember that Joe Lieberman was active during this time, but that's a story for another thread.

The Progressives in their current incarnation are political poison. While they have rabid support in their base, this base is incredibly small - just really good at being loud, their actual policies are wildly unpopular, and while they pretend otherwise, they fucking know it. This actually is responsible for a lot of their behavior that you can see in action: Aggressive narrative control, relying on their base to browbeat people with the message, and using agitators to justify getting what they want when they can't get a mandate (which is most of the time). The modern Progressives have no respect for the political process; they are as despicable in victory as they are vitriolic in defeat. If they get what they want, it's good, no matter how many people suffer along the way and how hard.

The only place Progressives can really dominate politically are in the purest of blue-state strongholds (and even there, they often wind up being fucking hated when their policies result in disaster). Red states will flat-out not take them, and even blue states familiar with their policies resoundingly hate them.

Going full Prog would basically doom the party to doing about as well as the Greens.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Only steers and queers come from Texas and I don't see any horns on Beto.

You mean the ones his wife put on him? Look harder.

 

[FunPosting101]

Elizabeth Warren and maybe Mayor Pete are the only people standing Presidentially though you could make a case that they might finally let Bernie get the nomination purely so he crashes and burns to give them the defacto excuse to jetison the lunatic left.

If they go with the "let Bernie run so he can crash and burn and take the commies with him" strategy, won't that mean the dems also lose a lot of their youth activist types? The people who go around knocking on doors, getting people to vote(when they aren't harvesting ballots for fraud-related purposes), and generally being an important part of the internal infrastructure of the party at the lower levels? Furthermore, what about the next generation of democrat leaders? Guys like Manchin are something of a relic of the times when the Democrats cared about blue-collar whites.

 

[Another Sperg on the Net]

I'm starting to see articles (probably here) about how the future of the Democrat Party lies away from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. I don't know that Joe Biden is going to be capable of pulling it together well enough to mount a campaign in 2024 (I doubt it.... I don't think he could've handled the rigors of a campaign in 2020 if 2020 had been a normal year). But what does that even look like?

If Joe Biden drops out, who's the heir apparent if not Kamala? Beto? Because I can't think of anyone more palatable (and as a Texan, Beto ain't all that palatable).

I've been in situations where things go catastrophically wrong and you can't chart a path forward because there's too much dust in the air... but how do they recover from this (or more accurately, how do they try to recover from this)? It's likely no major legislation will pass between now and 2022 (and it's not by the Republican's hands either... they couldn't get their own party onboard before this and I've got a feeling that those Dems in purple districts that did support him are going to run far away from Biden's agenda now). 2022 is a year away and they have nothing to run on.

Pelosi is likely to duck out because she doesn't want to end her career as the minority leader. Who takes the reigns then? Maxine Waters? Someone from the squad?

Then when 2024 rolls around and neither Joe or Kamala is on the ticket, who steps up? Who would want to? They have to come out as a relative unknown and then run on Biden's record? If things keep going the way they are, that record is radioactive. It's safe to assume you're not getting their A-Team.

Afghanistan, even though it isn't discussed in the news anymore, was the moment Joe's credibility disintegrated and that damaged the whole party. Last night was the first rumbles of the Earthquake that's going to rip the Democrats apart. I don't see how they play this. They just got the reigns back and they're coming apart less than a year into it.

There are people in this thread far more attuned to the way politics work, but I think this is about to be a disaster for them.

Realistically it would mean a shift toward the center, nominate a nice somewhat popular blue Governor of a red state who has proven that they can win with out the id pol lefty nonsense. John Bel Edwards of Louisiana would be a good choice, especially if he wins re-election in 2023. They won't do that of course, they will nominate some loony whose answer to every problem is SOCIALISM ME HARDER DADDY!! or another worn out uninspired swamp creature fossil pounding on death's door. To run successfully as a dem for the brass ring in 2024 you really need a Governor with a good record, so they can run on their accomplishments, so as to separate themselves from Biden.

 

[Rustic Ruthenian]

Not sure if anyone had posted but 90% reporting on day two of counting and Murphy is ahead by 30,000 votes. I saw somebody on Twitter claim 40k votes all for Murphy showed up in Bergen after it was already 100% reporting.

 

[GuntPunt]

Not sure if anyone had posted but 90% reporting on day two of counting and Murphy is ahead by 30,000 votes. I saw somebody on Twitter claim 40k votes all for Murphy showed up in Bergen after it was already 100% reporting.

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Posted this in the other election thread in happenings.

Edit: found better quality video

 

[FunPosting101]

Not sure if anyone had posted but 90% reporting on day two of counting and Murphy is ahead by 30,000 votes. I saw somebody on Twitter claim 40k votes all for Murphy showed up in Bergen after it was already 100% reporting.

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Do we have confirmation of this claim? Something more than a twitter post? I mean, I absolutely believe this happened, but it would be nice to have some documentation.

 

[Rustic Ruthenian]

Do we have confirmation of this claim? Something more than a twitter post? I mean, I absolutely believe this happened, but it would be nice to have some documentation.

I haven’t been keeping tabs on it but post above seems like it’s got something. Lead is only ~30,000 for Murphy so it would make a difference if it turns out to be true.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Realistically it would mean a shift toward the center, nominate a nice somewhat popular blue Governor of a red state who has proven that they can win with out the id pol lefty nonsense. John Bel Edwards of Louisiana would be a good choice, especially if he wins re-election in 2023. They won't do that of course, they will nominate some loony whose answer to every problem is SOCIALISM ME HARDER DADDY!! or another worn out uninspired swamp creature fossil pounding on death's door. To run successfully as a dem for the brass ring in 2024 you really need a Governor with a good record, so they can run on their accomplishments, so as to separate themselves from Biden.

So what I'm hearing is these idiots will think it's President Newsom's time to shine.

 

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

So what I'm hearing is these idiots will think it's President Newsom's time to shine.

To be honest with you, I think he'll enter into the next available primary. It'll go about as well De Blasio's attempt, but he'll run (and then lose).

 

[Iceland Heavy]

To be honest with you, I think he'll enter into the next available primary. It'll go about as well De Blasio's attempt, but he'll run (and then lose).

I always figured once he ended his last term as governor he was lining himself up for a safe senate seat, maybe even Feinstein's when she finally leaves/kicks it. I can see the Democrats being out of touch enough to try and draft him into the Presidential primary assuming they don't triple down on idpol and declare they'll no longer run straight white men for President.

 

[Ponzo]

Have you guys seen that NJ video from PV?

 

[Garm]

They can’t control the Party they have now, what makes you think they’d be able to control the new one?

Another question would be, which Dems get to run the new Party? The Establishmentarians? The Progressives? The “Business Dems”? It can’t be some combination of these because they all hate each other and their split is the whole reason the Dems are imploding right now, and I can’t imagine that any of them would want to be left behind in the dying Dem Party as one of the other factions sailed off into the sunset at the helm of the new Party

I figure that whatever Dems do it will be at least 2028 before they are competitive again (outside their strongholds). Whether it is because they are splitting up or simply too much in fighting to actually get the electorate out to vote remains to be seen.

they're not surprised.


I do wonder if, in the long run, it would have been better for them to lose the 2020 election. it seems increasingly like they had the external problem (trump) and the internal problem (party fracturing), and they need a reason to split the party, cut out the bad part, and re-establish themselves. But to do that, they need to lose. Rather than dealing with the fracture, they just fixated on trump to try and unify people. but in the long run, that's made every single politically-minded citygoer open and very combative.

Dems actively fought against the rising tide of populism that is spreading throughout the country. Trump rode the wave while Dems resisted the sea change. 2016 was when they should have accepted populism and instead will likely spend a decade out in the wilderness searching for themselves now.

But yes, losing the 2020 election would have been better. None of these problems that Biden is facing are "surprises." They more or less pushed Trump out of the way of a speeding train and got run over.

Yes. I know they didn't really have a choice in the matter because of deals that had been signed and oaths sworn but if Dems didn't put in a force majeure clause into the contracts that is their own damn fault.

 

[King Dead]

Posted this in the other election thread in happenings.
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It's hard to see due to the video quality, but you can also see minor blue shifts in 100%-counted Somerset and Sussex Counties. Neither is as populous as Bergen, but said shift is still gonna be a few thousand votes in each. Wouldn't surprise me if there was more "fortification" going on than just Bergen County.

 

[pwnest injun]

sorry this is optimistic af

there absolutely is a reign in *heaven* option in a post-state-power world, which is where they think we're headed

just because they're post-American doesn't mean they're pro-China. They are globalists.

Globalism doesn't really work without China on board, and they aren't. China is going full national socialist, and that means that the globalists have to get back on the West's shit in order to have any hope for the future. The idea of creating an out and open version of the CCP in the west is falling apart. The population of the USA is becoming more and more ungovernable, and the China model that they were selling all the celebrities on is not looking so pretty now.

Ciattarelli almost unseated an incumbant governor in a D+16 state with literally no backing from his party and no name recognition. If he had a fifth of what Youngkin got in VA, it wouldv'e flipped.

He can still be a local force and try again in 2025, but now he is going to have to make a name for himself in standing up against the eventual vaccine mandates about to rock New Jersey.

Cittarelli really puts the lie to the idea that Younkin's win signals a return to "traditional republican values". Pound for pound, Cittarelli outperformed Youngkin 2:1. Youngkin won despite being a traditional republican, not because of it. That said, each state has its own electorate, so comparisons don't work apples to orange mans.

 

[derpherp2]

Have you guys seen that NJ video from PV?

Oh look being a one trick pony means everyone had their shit prepared to fuck you over.
WHO FUCKING KNEW.

 

[Kane Lives]

Oh look being a one trick pony means everyone had their shit prepared to fuck you over.
WHO FUCKING KNEW.

I mean. It still wouldn't do any good if the local GOP sat on their asses.

Thankfully it does look like they're willing to fight this tooth and nail with lawfare this time. (I hear they already got lawyers on standby?)

 

[Jaimas]

Oh look being a one trick pony means everyone had their shit prepared to fuck you over.
WHO FUCKING KNEW.

It may sound strange, but them pulling this shit is exactly what we want.

 

[FunPosting101]

I mean. It still wouldn't do any good if the local GOP sat on their asses.

Thankfully it does look like they're willing to fight this tooth and nail with lawfare this time. (I hear they already got lawyers on standby?)

We'll see what happens, but I doubt the democrat-dominated legal system there will be kind to GOP attempts to reverse a fraudulent result which benefits the dems.

It may sound strange, but them pulling this shit is exactly what we want.

Yeah, an investigation into the methods the dems use to steal elections will help the GOP halt and stop that shit beforehand hopefully, and this kind of electoral fraud also shows people that the democrats are willing to commit electoral fraud and what the dems will do in the process of committing that fraud.

 

[Gehenna]

It may sound strange, but them pulling this shit is exactly what we want.

From a few standpoints. The one I focus on is that the win in Virginia proves that there is a limit to the cheating, but them stealing NJ means that no one gets lax or rests on their laurels. It's the best of both worlds, considering we were going in expecting a double loss.