The Eternals - marvel is trying it again this time less humor and hit music and more unnecessary love triangles

This will happen naturally anyway. Disney/Marvel isn't going to just stop all Marvel productions if The Eternals flops. They still are producting material with Star Wars despite the obvious diminishing marginal utility. But at some point, if the trend continues, they'll have to scale back on plans 5-10 years from now.

It's like how Square Enix idiodically thought they could make an entire universe out of Final Fantasy XV, only for them to realize that they were making net losses of tens of millions of dollars doing it and had to scale back on what they had to do.
tbf, I think Eternals is going to be a one-off... for the time being at least. Much of their upcoming slate are sequels featuring returning heroes. They'd have to be uniquely awful to turn fans off, and none of them have any of the massive fundamental issues that Eternals does.
 
According to Deadline, it's on-track to have the same sort of opening weekend as Black Widow. My guess is it'll end up somewhere between that and Shang-Chi in terms of overall box-office performance, since it shouldn't completely crash and burn in its second weekend like that one did (unless Clifford the Big Red Dog is an unexpected hit), but it's only going to have a couple of weeks before Ghostbusters Afterlife leaves it in the dust, unlike Shang-Chi, which had the better part of a month without any serious competition.
 
Bitch looks like the cover to Brain Salad Surgery.

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I have a bunch of Marvel bugmen friends who haven't even seen Eternals or thought about going to see it. They don't even mention it, I assume either the film is absolute dogshit or they have been running literally no advertisements (which is possible since elections have increased political advertising).
 
I enjoyed it way more than I expected to. it's not the "Oscar contender" I guess they thought they were making but it's far more solid than the critical reviews were saying. It would have worked much better as a D+ show (people have been saying this should have been the show and Falcon and Winter Soldier the movie which I agree with) but besides the length I'm quite surprised this is getting trashed so badly. The faggotry is, obviously, filmed so as to be casually trimmed for Chinese sensibilities, so that's gotta sting for Fiege, but besides that I thought this was as solid as any of their non-AAA releases.
 
And then looked to be starting to go Hentai-light on Angelina Jolie.

Honestly, the deviants made little sense overall. Oh, I'm just going full spoilers here. I don't think anyone in this thread is going to care or that it will affect anyone's enjoyment. This thread is 90% just talking about wokeness and how crap it is. But heads-up for the one person who cares.

So yeah, the deviants. Near the start it's stated that they went for humans not eternals, and that the eternals just interposed themselves and it was odd that one specifically went after them rather than humans. But if their motivation turns out to be revenge against the eternals, why is this new? So much about them makes no sense.
Especially the part where they're back, and mutated (or whatever) to now be able to absorb the power of Eternals, something they explicitly couldn't do before. The entire "the Deviants are back OMG" plot thread feels like something left over from a much earlier draft of the script that whatever knucklehead was in charge forgot to fully excise. A much better explanation for it would have been "the Deviants never actually returned, Sprite and Ikarus faked the whole thing to cover up Ajak's murder."
I liked Mr. Patel. The videographer who was filming the Bollywood Eternal. Honestly, those two are actually my favourite characters by some margin, though Angelina Jolie is very good with what she's given.
None of the actors sucked except for Robb Stark (some of the time) and Bottled Water (all the time.)
Sprite asks "why did Asheram (sp?) make me like this?" with the implication that she was doomed never to have a relationship with LaserFace because of it. Rather cruelly, I could interpret that as "I'm not very pretty" but the film was obviously intending it to be about her age. Thing is, if she were literally a child that would make sense but she looks around 17. So yeah, you wouldn't date a real life 17yo if you were in your late twenties. At least not in Western culture. But she's hardly unable or unready for adult things. Without trying to do the "but she's really 3,000 years old meme," in the context of a film she is an adult who has a late teenage body. If she and LaserFace were in love, it's not insurmountable.
I think it was more supposed to be that she was trapped in a psychologically immature state that corresponded to her physical one, while being smart enough to understand how much she was missing by being unable to move on from it. Puberty sucks enough for one lifetime, now imagine that being your whole existence.
The Deus Ex Machinae (very literally given what the Eternals turn out to be) is way too much for me. It basically goes:
Sersi: I can only transform non-living things.
Sersi: I just transformed a deviant which is a living thing (no explanation)
Sersi: I can now transform a celestial (little explanation, vague reference to eternals becoming part of a group mind with the celestial at the moment of its birth).


I mean movies these days are prone to "hero suddenly finds ability / strength at last moment due to great emotional need" but this was at whole other level.

It's especially grating since they had a working plan already via George mind-controlling it, which is exactly what his power is. Then Ikarus killed him, and they needed to go with Sersi as plan B- only it turned out he wasn't dead after all, but they give up on that plan anyway because... reasons.
Also, is it me or were the Eternals as a whole pretty weak? Obviously they are physically more robust than humans and don't age but they're pretty lacklustre. Sprite's powers are cool and impressive. Bollywood dude basically has built in guns/bombs. Thena is a skilled swordswoman. LaserFace is up there in that he seems to have the main Superman powers (damage resistant, strength, eye beams) but that's about it. Honestly I struggle to see how a handful of people with mostly low-tier powers could really protect humanity against the deviants that much.
They're much more speciated than a group like the Avengers or the Justice League, who all tend to be all-rounders in terms of abilities. The Eternals are more like an RPG party with dedicated melee, support, mez, etc. I agree that when your job is to protect an entire planet that this team is woefully inadequate for the job, but they were clearly intended to function as a team.
Film should have started with the Bollywood production of the Eternals and done the entire thing through the lens of Kingo (I looked up Bollywood character's name). It starts with the Bollywood production and moves into him telling the story as they go. Could potentially have been a wild way to do a movie.
I would watch the shit out of that movie, though if I had to guess, I'd say that Chloe Zhao was most at home shooting in the high prairie of South Dakota or the Australian Outback. Those were the only times that the movie had any soul that wasn't imparted by the actors.
 
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Can someone just summarize the whole plot, maybe confirm the leaks?

I want to know how dumb it is but i don't want to actually sit down and watch it.
* Eternals think they're godlike helpers sent to "guide humanity" to hit their peak/prevent them from being eaten by lizards
* they "do as much as they can and their leader, Selma Hayke, dismisses them and they go off to live "normal lives" as they have grown to enjoy the humans and wish to live among them
* oh fuck, the lizards are back, back to work!
* oh no, the lizards somehow got strong enough to eat Selma Hayek, this is bad news!
* but wait, Selma Hayeks not-soul is in Gemma Chan now! We have a fighting chance!
* Selma Hayeks soul is also a communicator to Arishem, a big action figure motherfucker
* fight lizards fight lizards
* these fuckers are getting really strong what the fuck
* Arishem drops the bomb; humans/any intelligent life was just supposed to grow large and advanced enough to provide energy to sustain baby Celestials that grow inside planets like eggs, hatching and killing the planet in the process
* the lizards were originally the initially supposed to fill the same roles as Eternals in animal-like form, but unexpectedly evolved into Apex predators, thus killing too much of the native life to ever allow them to provide the energy needed to grow baby Celestials
* oh also Eternals aren't gods, you're pretty much Vision-like androids I made and re-use with fresh hard drives over and over again
* ok now go make sure the plan goes as intended
* Gemma Chan says "fuck that" runs to Eternals to try and stop it
* less interesting male main character gets weird, flashback reveals he fed Selma Hayek to the lizards deliberately because she too wish to go against the plan and stop the Celestial hatching
* everyone realizes what's up
* whoa this sucks what do
* Paperboi realizes he can essentially do the thing from DBZ where everyone raises their hands in the air to lend their power to Gemma Chan
* fight scenes
* Gemma and friends wins
* boring male main character gets sad, apologizes, then ackbars himself into the sun (Icarus flying too close to the sun get it hur durr)
* everyone's happy
* Arishem shows up again unexpectedly
* fine keep your bullshit planet but if I think it's not worth it I'm just going to blow it up out of spite
* this will clearly be the Thanos-style "Avenger's Level Threat" of the new phases
* also Thanos' brother shows up, does nothing
* also Blade says something, does not even physically appear

That said, was far more interesting than I probably made it sound or that the reviews indicate.
 
What I simply don't get is why they ditched the original idea behind Eternals and Deviants(that they were species of proto-humans genetically engineered millions of years ago by the Celestials to battle against each other, for reasons that are epic, alien and completely non-understandable)?

It would have made a lot better backstory than this shit about Eternals being millenia-old robots, which honestly makes no fucking sense at all.

On the larger scale, this same thing has happened with just about every MCU movie to date: The people writing this shit have literally hundreds of thousands of pages of source material and ready-made-plots at their disposal; some bad, some weird and some surprisingly deep and good. And in just about every instance they choose to throw away all of the actually good ideas in the original material and replace it with some mediocre b-grade shit cooked up like a bad batch of meth.
 
According to Deadline, it's on-track to have the same sort of opening weekend as Black Widow. My guess is it'll end up somewhere between that and Shang-Chi in terms of overall box-office performance, since it shouldn't completely crash and burn in its second weekend like that one did (unless Clifford the Big Red Dog is an unexpected hit), but it's only going to have a couple of weeks before Ghostbusters Afterlife leaves it in the dust, unlike Shang-Chi, which had the better part of a month without any serious competition.

It had a worse opening weekend. The only thing they can say is it wasn't the high 60s some thought it would be .....
 

It had a worse opening weekend. The only thing they can say is it wasn't the high 60s some thought it would be .....
That's a definite downward trend for the series, then - $80m for Black Widow, $75m for Shang-Chi, and now $71m for this. Though it looks like this one might actually have had the best international debut of the three - $90m outside of North America, meaning it has $161m so far.

Not quite the territory where Marvel needs to panic unless it really craters over the next two weekends (and then No Way Home also does poorly), but if this is going to be the future pattern for their releases, churning these movies out at $200m a go isn't going to be viable anymore.
 
This shot looks like it's from a Spy Kids movie
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I find this funny because they were trying so hard to push this movie as something ~new~ and different from the rest of the series and like it's totally gonna win Oscars and shit. Though tbf it's still gonna get multiple nominations and probably win like cinematography or something.
The only MCU movie to win an Oscar was Black Panther and that was a combo of weak competition/Hollywood virtue signaling. MCUs get nommed occasionally in the sound and effects categories and haven’t pulled off a single trophy.

Cinematography is stacked this year with legit good looking films, not Zhao’s golden hour retread.
 
That's a definite downward trend for the series, then - $80m for Black Widow, $75m for Shang-Chi, and now $71m for this. Though it looks like this one might actually have had the best international debut of the three - $90m outside of North America, meaning it has $161m so far.

Not quite the territory where Marvel needs to panic unless it really craters over the next two weekends (and then No Way Home also does poorly), but if this is going to be the future pattern for their releases, churning these movies out at $200m a go isn't going to be viable anymore.

Ghostbusters afterlife is coming for the second weekend, that could derail things.
 
What I simply don't get is why they ditched the original idea behind Eternals and Deviants(that they were species of proto-humans genetically engineered millions of years ago by the Celestials to battle against each other, for reasons that are epic, alien and completely non-understandable)?

It would have made a lot better backstory than this shit about Eternals being millenia-old robots, which honestly makes no fucking sense at all.
They might have felt that the original backstory for the Eternals was too similar to Inhumans which flopped so hard it was cancelled after only one season.
 
Ghostbusters afterlife is coming for the second weekend, that could derail things.
Oh, I've no doubt it will, at least in North America. Rest of the world might be a different matter, since IIRC Ghostbusters is one of those franchises that doesn't really do huge business internationally, which could potentially give Eternals a pretty clear run until No Way Home shows up.

Of course, that's being generous and assuming Eternals doesn't end up front-loaded from MCU fans turning up just to see if there's anything plot-relevant to the upcoming movies with characters people actually care about.
 
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