Kyle Rittenhouse Legal Proceedings - Come for the trial, stay for….

What do you think will happen?

  • Guilty on all charges

    Votes: 282 8.8%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 1,077 33.7%
  • Mistral

    Votes: 264 8.3%
  • Mixture of verdicts

    Votes: 479 15.0%
  • Minecraft

    Votes: 213 6.7%
  • Roblox

    Votes: 132 4.1%
  • Runescape

    Votes: 203 6.3%
  • Somehow Guilty Of Two Mutually Exclusive Actions

    Votes: 514 16.1%
  • KYLE WILL SUBMIT TO BBC

    Votes: 35 1.1%

  • Total voters
    3,199
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Talk seems to be that John Black, the defense's pinch-and-zoom expert (among other things) will indeed be testifying today. Sad that I'll be busy for most of the trial today. After him there's two more witnesses. Those are Drew Hernandez (witness in Rosenbaum shooting) and some guy who's an expert in shell casings.
 
And like clockwork, Con Inc "true conservatives" pop out to say no to icky Kyle's actions because they want twitter likes.

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I just can't get enough of these terrible opinions. Who cares if Rittenhouse is a hero or not for killing three felons? That's not what this is about! You think he's not a murderer, great, then he shouldn't go to jail, your political opinion on what to do about a riot means nothing, case closed. Who even is this self-important jackass?

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Ah, yes, a sports broadcaster. The most qualified of all positions to tell people what and what not to do in dangerous and violent situations. Giving random nobodies platforms on social media was a mistake.
 
What gets me is all the Glowie Videos that emerged like a Christmas miracle as the trial got underway. People should be asking more questions about those, why they even exist, why are they only NOW turning up and just why the people handling that footage need to wear sunglasses at night when looking at it.

The answers would be illuminating I think.
 
It's clear we can't rely on the court of law to give Kyle a fair trial, he needs to be tried in the Halls of Social Media where fabricated evidence and ad hominems will finally get the legitimacy they deserve.
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For a brief moment, I was really confused.
When i saw that footage of him crying, my thoughts instantly went to the first and second world war and every war there after, where the trenches were filled with kids his age, a bit stupid, naive, very optimistic and wanting to do good for their community, only to get to a place where everyone was out for your blood and came home a murderer with a trauma, feeling lost and people everywhere who think you are just an try-hard and a idiot.

Not to make him a saint or something, but i couldn't help myself for thinking that people who came back from war must felt a bit similar like him, only often far worse than Kyle here of course.
That was something going through my mind, too. There have been times in history where people like Kyle were sent to war and came back broken. Kyle might not have gone through a long period of physical fighting, but the assault against his person has been going on for over a year now. The looming threat of a life in prison or even just a few years in prison and his life being over once he gets out... man. Poor sod.

So the case seems like it's winding down at this point and I think there are some lessons to learn from this irrespective of the verdict.
  • Avoid any riots or protests if possible.
  • If you do go to them then don't go with your face exposed.
  • Never go anywhere alone during a riot.
  • Don't protect anyone else's property during a riot. You might think your helping your community but that's what insurance is for and that same community might fuck you over in court.
  • Know the law and insure that you are following it to the best of your ability and within reason.
  • Never do any interviews with anyone under any circumstances both during and after the fact. In fact avoid anyone with a camera.
  • Slings are more important than a optic or free float rail.
  • 5.56mm (or 5.45mm for that matter)is an amazing round fuck what boomers say.
  • Shooting podophiles is based and redpilled.
  • You're well within your right to open carry (providing it's legal) but it's probably not a good idea.
  • AR-15's are fantastic but be prepared for some faggot prosecutor to constantly bring up how you own an evil black salt rifle capable of killing 30 people in under a second from it's clipazine full of hollow point FMJ baby killer RIP ammo just like in the video games. And don't be shocked when some soyboy or fat karen finds you guilty on that alone. Sometimes good old fashioned wood and steel is all you need.
  • Don't try and help rioters. If they get hurt while rioting then fuck them, they shouldn't be trying to destroy you're town.
  • Don't take the stand if you don't need to. If you want to have your say then do it after the case.
I hope he walks, it's such an obvious case of self-defence with so much video evidence to prove it that I'm shocked that the state is even trying to prosecute it. That doesn't mean Rittenhouse should win any prizes for being an exceptional individual, but I think this trial is punishment enough. If he is found guilty and the jury sides with the people who tried to destroy their community, then that state can go and fuck it's self.
tl;dr Version:
Be a cynical prick, protect your family and friends first, property second if you can (but prioritize those people close to you). Community only if the community would (or will) do the same for you.
When a bunch of shitheads come to burn down your city, better watch them do it. It's not gonna be easy. It's not gonna be pleasant. But it sure as fuck is better than to rot in a cell for an unjustified manslaughter or murder charge while your loved ones need to rebuilt without you, just cause you wanted to protect "the community" and the "community" throws you under the bus.

That's at least the perspective that I would strongly suggest in case Kyle gets sentenced. If he's acquitted, be smart about how you protect your community and what community it is that you want to protect anyway. If that community is likely to throw you under the bus like what could happen to Kyle, let them enjoy the fireworks from up close and fall back on priority one: protect family and friends.
 
My current bets as of everything to this morning:

The murder charges are out the window.

The weapon charges are still in play, but the prosecution is hyperfocsed on the murder charges. The jury was reported to be bored and disinterested. Aka not helping.

The Feds might try picking up Kyle for something if he's let go. The DOJ under Biden has been wagging its dick around and want a "win" with the current administration being in the tanks.
 
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Given that pedos are particularly hated and tormented in prison, I wonder if Kyle, as a multiple pedo killer, would be accorded special status and privileges should the worst happen.
They don't target chomos for honorable reasons. It's just that they need to establish a pecking order through violence, and nobody will miss chomos.
 
Rewatching yesterday's 5th Amendment violation and wow, the Judge was seriously pissed. Pissed enough that he really wanted to declare a mistrial with prejudice sua sponte. What was stopping him?
I think people were speculating that the judge wants a jury verdict as to mitigate the inevitable """peaceful protests""" that might follow, as well as making it harder to appeal.
 
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J.D. Vance’s Empathy for Kyle Rittenhouse Is Revolting​

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Calling a killer a “baby boy” is a neat trick for gesturing at the ways white lives matter to people like him, and Black lives do not.

If you haven’t been paying attention, you might be forgiven for mistaking the latest Twitter thread from newly converted Trump worshipper and flailing Senate candidate J.D. Vance for a compassionate, if woefully misguided, defense of the country’s most vulnerable.

“We leave our boys without fathers,” the Hillbilly Elegy writer and Peter Thiel protege said in a tweet. “We let the wolves set fire to their communities. And when human nature tells them to go and defend what no one else is defending, we bring the full weight of the state and the global monopolists against them.”

Vance could have been empathizing with Black and brown kids in underserved neighborhoods who, multiple studies show, respond to the psychological strain of over-policing by acting out. He could have been emphasizing the humanity of Black parents disproportionately criminalized by a racist justice system that takes them away from their children and communities. He could have been noting that those involved in community uprisings against police abuse and political repression often face harm from state-backed agents willing to use any violent means necessary to disempower them.

But Vance wasn’t talking about any of those people or things. He was empathizing with Kyle Rittenhouse, the white 18-year-old currently on trial for intentional homicide after fatally gunning down Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber last summer and on charges of criminal violence related to his shooting that same night of a third person, Gaige Grosskreutz.

Vance has no empathy to spare for the Kenosha, Wisconsin, residents who live with the consistent low-grade terror of racialized police violence—as manifest in the seven point-blank shots fired by Officer Rusten Sheskey into Jacob Blake, leaving him paralyzed, and which catalyzed anti-racist protests in the city. Those residents, sneers Vance, were “lawless thugs” trying to destroy Rittenhouse’s “community.” It is a blatant statement of support for racist foot soldiers and a justification of whatever violence they inflict.

Rittenhouse crossed state lines with his mother, menacingly entered a protest crowd wielding an illegal semiautomatic weapon he thought “looked cool,” shot three men including two from the community he invaded, and later claimed self-defense despite being the “only person who killed anyone” among hundreds of others who were out that night in Kenosha. Hours after entering entering his not guilty plea, Rittenhouse, who is not old enough to legally drink without his complicit mom by his side, went to a bar and took pictures with fascist Proud Boys while flashing white power symbols and wearing a shirt that read “FREE AS FUCK.”

That young man is who Vance labels a heroic “baby boy,” and whose murderous actions he suggests “patriots” should defend and potentially follow. Just after Rittenhouse’s testimony—during which he appeared too choked up to speak, even as his face remained tear-free—Fox personality Jeanine Pirro called him “a good kid… who can grow up and have a moral core.” (She’d previously described Rittenhouse as “an innocent man, he’s looking to help, he’s all-American, and he’s trying to just make sure his town is safe.”) Tucker Carlson has said Rittenhouse “had to maintain order when no one else would.”

Hearing right-wing boosters attribute innocence and purity of motive to Rittenhouse, it’s hard not to recognize how those things are consistently denied to Black kids. In states where rightwing perversions of critical race theory have been turned into bans on the teaching of slavery, anti-Black racism, and the legacies of white American supremacy, the argument that history will make victims of white children prevails. The eight states that now legally prohibit a warped version of CRT in classrooms are attempting to ban any lesson that might make white kids feel “discomfort, guilt, anguish and any other form of psychological distress”—painting white children as the potential victims of truthful corrections to America’s whitewashed historical memory. School board members in Virginia are suggesting book-burning and bookshelves are being purged in Kansas to protect white kids’ inherent innocence.

When CBS asks “How young is too young to learn about racism?” they must know that Black kids learn firsthand about racism without being asked if the timing is convenient, a privilege extended to choosy white parents.

That courtesy is not provided to Black kids who, studies show, have a “25 percent jump in their likelihood of being diagnosed with a mental illness” because of racial discrimination. Black boys, and especially girls, whose suicide rates are currently increasing—and who now “are about twice as likely to die by suicide as white children of the same age”—do not get the benefits of victimhood conferred on their white peers.

The adults like Vance who somehow find a “baby boy” with a “moral core” in a young white man who needlessly shot three people, killing two of them, have no capacity for empathy when it comes to Black kids and young adults.

It’s a lethal blind spot. Isabella Tichenor, a 10-year-old autistic Black girl so cruelly bullied by her Utah classmates that she committed suicide, was insufficiently capable of being seen as a victim by white school officials who reportedly refused to intervene in response to her pleas.

Black children are far more likely to be punished with expulsion and suspension by school administrators who too often can only view them as perpetrators. America’s criminal justice system disproportionately tries Black kids as adults and sentences them to time behind bars, while letting kids like Rittenhouse go free. And study after study finds that Black kids are seen as angrier by teachers, as less innocent by cops (like the one who told Rittenhouse he was “appreciated,” later bypassing him after he’d killed two people), and as incapable of experiencing the same physical pain as white kids by doctors. The adultification of Black kids steals any notion of their victimhood away.

The word “victim” is also what three white killers asked a Georgia court not to use in reference to Ahmaud Arbery, the young Black jogger they boasted of having “trapped like a rat” before shooting him dead in the street. But while the judge in the case rightly rejected that appeal, a seemingly sympathetic court has agreed to Rittenhouse’s demand that the word “victim” not be used to describe the people Rittenhouse fatally shot. The term “looter” was sanctioned instead.

I think our people hate the right people,” Vance said in a recent interview. Whether said out of political expediency or not, the impact of Vance’s words is the same. He is being transparent about who deserves to be regarded as a full person, whose basic humanity cannot be questioned, whose decency remains intact despite their struggles and foibles—and whose does not.

That idea is repeated in the words of Josh Hawley, who while literally claiming he was not saying men are victims, declared men victims of modern society; or Paul Gosar, who retweeted a video of himself killing of a congresswoman of color months after he called for the head of the officer who shot white Capitol insurrectionist Ashli Babbitt; or Tucker Carlson, who once suggested George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Jacob Black deserved what they got, but remains adamant in his defense of a white kid who killed two people.

These people are just saying the quiet part out loud—louder and louder, and again and again.



what a waste of a life

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The judge wanted it filed in briefs from the defense and prosecution. The defense made the motion already.
I may be misremembering, but I got the impression that was for jury instructions regarding some of the charges, or possible regarding statements made that day. There's no reason the prosecution would be filing a mistrial with prejudice motion.
 
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