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Trans surgery ‘may be judged’ a mistake by future generations​


The surgical removal of healthy breasts from girls who identify as boys is an experiment that future generations may judge harshly, a psychiatrist has warned.

Demand is rising in rich countries for this procedure, often rebadged as “top surgery” or “chest reconstruction” because even the word “breast” is seen as distressing for teenage girls and young women who want a masculine look.

Writing in the prestigious journal, Archives of Sexual Behavior, Melbourne psychiatrist Alison Clayton argues that transgender mastectomy may with time be seen as “dangerous medicine” like discredited past practices such as psychiatric lobotomy, which won a Nobel prize in 1949.
Dr Clayton highlights a similar lack of solid evidence for the benefits of trans mastectomy.

“It is surprising that clinicians and researchers claim chest surgery for youth (who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria) is an evidence-based intervention,” she writes.

She says only a handful of low-quality, short-term studies support claims of mental health benefits for trans mastectomy with teenagers, making this “an experimental treatment” in need of more rigorous, ethics-approved research.

Levi, an 18-year-old Melbourne trans man who says he was a former patient of the Royal Children’s Hospital, is one of the growing number of young adults to use the crowd-funding platform GoFundMe to raise money for top surgery; on Friday he had $2316 towards his $6000 goal.

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There are an estimated 10,000-plus GoFundMe top surgery accounts internationally.

In her peer-reviewed letter, Dr Clayton anticipates readers rejecting any parallel between gender medicine for young people today and “cruel historical treatments” such as lobotomy.

She points out those abandoned treatments were “widely celebrated” at the time, including “uncritical press” coverage of “bold medical heroes with the courage to take ‘desperate remedies’ required to cure ‘desperate ills’.”

Meanwhile, researchers from the University of Melbourne and the influential RCH gender clinic suggest it may be ethical to begin offering trans mastectomy in children’s hospitals.

Under-18 trans mastectomy by private surgeons is thought to be uncommon but there is no good data.

In the Wiley journal Bioethics, the Melbourne researchers argue it is discriminatory to deny “chest surgery” to transgender male adolescents when it’s on offer to “other adolescent males” for distress over the condition gynaecomastia or “man boobs”.

The paper, with health ethicist Rosalind McDougall and RCH clinic director Michelle Telfer among the five authors, also cites “privacy” as a factor in favour of chest surgery.

“A transgender male with visible breasts has a body that discloses his transgender status to others, whether he wants this information known or not,” the authors write.

They say the “limited” research on chest surgery with adolescents suggests short-term mental health benefits. They found only two studies, with no long-term follow-up, and admit this makes a risk-benefit analysis difficult.

“However, as in many areas of healthcare, decisions about the care of current patients need to be made despite this uncertainty, based on the available evidence,” they say.

A recent survey of regretful “detransitioners” found it took on average almost four years before young people decided that medicalised gender change was a mistake.

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On Tuesday Greens leader Adam Bandt presented to federal parliament a petition with more than 148,000 signatures urging full Medicare coverage for “gender affirming” surgery and hormonal drugs.

“(People) in need of gender-affirming surgery must pay a lot of money, up to $30,000, so they can finally have their outward appearance match how they truly feel on the inside,” the petition launched by Alyssa Kennedy-Whiting says.

Mr Bandt announced a plan to spend $15m a year to cover out-of-pocket expenses for gender affirming medicine. His office did not reply when asked how much of this would go to under-18 patients.

It is Greens policy to allow “transgender young people” access to hormones without a court order. In 2020, the Family Court stressed that judicial approval was sometimes necessary, for example if parents disagree about treatment for a minor.

In 2019, the RCH clinic director Dr Telfer told Victoria’s royal commission into mental health that “many” of her new, “post-pubertal trans male” patients wanted “chest reconstructive surgery”, and the hospital had the expertise but not the funds.

Dr Telfer said there were “no private surgical services available for (trans) adolescents under the age of 18 years in Victoria, leaving them with no option but to seek chest reconstructive surgery interstate or overseas should they be unable to manage their distress until they turn 18 years of age”.

“There is a significant gap in Victoria’s current health care system with the absence of public funding for chest reconstruction surgery despite the high demand for this evidenced-based intervention.”

The RCH-issued “Australian Standards of Care” for minors with gender dysphoria cover “top surgery”, and say the role of mental health professionals includes “counselling of the adolescent and their parents/caregivers on the available options for gender affirming surgical procedures such as chest reconstruction with referral where appropriate”.

Asked whether the RCH clinic referred its patients to private surgeons for top surgery or other “gender affirming” surgery, the hospital said on Thursday it was “not aware” of any such referrals. The clinic takes patients up to the age of 17.

In May, the ABC Australian Story program quoted Dr Telfer as saying: “We don’t provide any surgery (for gender clinic patients). To access surgery, one has to enter the adult system and that only occurs once someone’s over the age of 18”.

One of the studies shown to the royal commission by Dr Telfer included patients as young as 13 referred for top surgery by America’s biggest gender clinic run by physician Johanna Olsen-Kennedy at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles.

In that 2018 study, lead author Dr Olson-Kennedy said there was no previous data showing the effect of chest surgery on minors.

Yet three years before, she had already been promoting this procedure, claiming it was “easy, safe, available, and ‘absolutely lifesaving’,” Dr Clayton says in her peer-reviewed letter to Archives of Sexual Behavior.

Dr Olson-Kennedy, listed as a keynote speaker for next year’s Darwin conference of the gender clinicians lobby the Australian Professional Association for Trans Health, said in 2015 that genital surgery on minors, a more radical procedure than top surgery, was “on the horizon”.

She said “the difficulty of genital surgery is that it is surgical sterilisation and people get super worked up about that … it is a barrier we have to overcome and I think we are going to”.

Dr Clayton warns it may not be straightforward for clinicians to secure informed consent for gender affirming medicine.

“A necessary condition for (informed consent) is clinician honesty, which is not met if clinicians overstate the evidence base or act as ‘cheerleaders’ for transition,” she writes.

RCH says its multidisciplinary gender treatment is based on the “best available medical evidence” and follows “strict clinical governance standards”.

The Australian sought comment from Dr Telfer and Dr Olson-Kennedy.


 

lol yeah if we take the "stigma" away from raping kids pedos will stop doing it. Pedophilia is no more a sexuality in that rape is not a sexuality. They are not "sexually attracted to children", it is a paraphilia. A person can be aroused by benign things like leather or uniforms as a fetish and while we might get a laugh out of their obvious fetish for something, in the grand scale of things they are not hurting anyone. Most people with benign fetishes are not bothering anyone else nor do they make it known to anyone else, although I do agree that if you make it your personal identity that you do deserve to be laughed at. It may not be on the scale as wanting to fuck dead people that you just have a thing for PVC but I still find it funny.

I always find it interesting how they draw a distinction between CSA and those who rape adults as though they are capable of realizing that the latter is a result of the desire to control and psychologically destroy the victim via an act that usually will put them in fear for their lives (given that rape and murder can often go hand in hand). Rapists will also protest their victim "wanted it". Yet they do not seem to grasp that an individual who decides to take up raping children rather than adults is operating from the same psychological framework. Pedophiles will protest a child "wanted it" even though a child cannot fully comprehend the physical and emotional ramifications of sexual activity or sexual intercourse.

Like rapists these are overwhelmingly men who will marry (usually women) and have children of their own (they usually do not touch their own children). Pedophiles will seek out single mothers for the sole purpose of gaining access to her children, in the same way rapists will seek out victims via domestic abuse scenarios.

I am trying very hard not to go on a PL or a sperge here but my underlying point here is that those tweets may as well be pleading "if we destigmatize rape then rapists will talk to us before they go raping". They won't. There is not a single pedophile or rapist who will consider what they do to be wrong, and it is not a sexuality. It is a paraphilia, one of the most dangerous ones to exist. It should be stigmatized, because raping kids (or anyone) makes you unfit for civilization.
 
That makes sense if the point is to have them blend into a crowd. Drag queens frequently use techniques that add mass in certain places, such as the hip and ass, to achieve a more feminine silhouette, and it might work on stage when they're either alone or surrounded by other drag queens, but since it's all additive (you can't, as mentioned, take mass away) they are going to look like ogre-sized she-beasts next to real women.
That's why the Rupaul's Drag Race guest judge promos are always so funny, because they put Rupaul next to real tiny women. He's also 6'4" so when he wears high heels he also dwarfs most men:
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(Yes that's Debbie Harry). At least Rupaul is just a drag queen and has a sense of humour about it though.
 
Look at the complete failure that Jim Sterling's attempts at trooning-out are.

In his case it just the epitome of a low-effort tranny. Why even bother, then?

A big giveaway with MTF troons is the chin. You can almost always tell it is a man from the jawline and there is a limit to what surgery or hormones can do in that regard. The next obstacle is the voice, as it is very difficult for many men to mimic a woman's vocal range post-adolescence and when they do it often comes off as a man trying to do a falsetto rather than a genuine woman's voice.
I think the ultimate obstacle is the eyes. There's something about the eyes, they're slightly different in men and women in a way that we notice immediately.

When I look at uncanny valley stuff, usually the eyes stand out. Maybe there's a connection.
 
Found this on ovarit, Swedish documentary on detransitioners that has English subs

Great doco. Interviews with detransioners, medical professionals. Centered around the case of a girl who tool puberty blockers and developed probable spinal fractures from bone weakness.


Edit: This was a bitch to rip, unfortunately missing the first few seconds in it

 
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Brittney Houston/Mila Jam is the only tranny musician that comes to mind as decent.
The band Against Me has a troon singer I believe, and some of their songs are very okay. This one in particular is good because it's unintentionally incredibly based.

Your tells are so obvious
Shoulders too broad for a girl
Keeps you reminded
Helps you to remember where you come from

You want them to notice
The ragged ends of your Summer dress
You want them to see you
Like they see every other girl
They just see a faggot
They'll hold their breath not to catch the sick
 
Lolifags on suicide watch with MAPs being so fucking bold on the internet.

Spoiler for Shitty Artist TMI Rant.

Honestly, I only delve into the loli-arguments because , as a gurofag. If they can convict someone for creating / jerking todrawing of a imaginary kid , that 100% never existed and isn't based on a real child, they can easily convict someone for having/creating images of imaginary people being murdered.

It's the principle and the reality of the situation. I would never actually kidnap someone and skull fuck them/bisect them / feed them to other people, but if you follow anti-lolicon logic - As a Guro Artist, I'm already guilty of a crime. What crime? There's no body. There's no weapon. But there is a drawing, that is offensive, therefore it's a crime!

Anyway, I need to stop using lolicons as my canary in the coal mine. I used to use Furries but then furries became acceptable. Gore and Loli will never be acceptable art styles, but I find that people tolerate loli more than gore if you remove all the labels from it. So when people go after loli, I get worried that my artwork will be next. It's shit paranoia.

You’re getting TMI ratings but I do see what you’re saying. It’s not a matter of sympathizing with MAPs to realize that shit like prosecuting people for writing fictional CP (which has happened) is a nightmare legally because regardless of whether the people involved are creeps (they are), you’re essentially prosecuting thought crimes. You don't have to be some ultra-libertarian to be worried about the precedent that is set when we start advocating locking people up for drawings or fiction.
 
I think the ultimate obstacle is the eyes. There's something about the eyes, they're slightly different in men and women in a way that we notice immediately.
Eye socket shape, brow bone, and eye depth are all characteristics which are sexually dimorphic between human males and females. In the case of the first, males have rougher, squared-off sockets, while females have rounder, finer edged ones. It’s one of the most straightforward ways of sexing skeletal remains, along with pelvis shape.

Both remain things troons can continue to cry about because unless they’re gonna take a dremel to their eye sockets, boo hoo hoo you’re a dude.

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You’re getting TMI ratings but I do see what you’re saying. It’s not a matter of sympathizing with MAPs to realize that shit like prosecuting people for writing fictional CP (which has happened) is a nightmare legally because regardless of whether the people involved are creeps (they are), you’re essentially prosecuting thought crimes. You don't have to be some ultra-libertarian to be worried about the precedent that is set when we start advocating locking people up for drawings or fiction.
Indeed. Drawing loli is gross, but I talk way too much about burning my job to the ground to be comfortable with thoughtcrime.
That said, I would hope OP doesn’t take commissions from photos or any shit like that.
 
Like rapists these are overwhelmingly men who will marry (usually women) and have children of their own (they usually do not touch their own children). Pedophiles will seek out single mothers for the sole purpose of gaining access to her children, in the same way rapists will seek out victims via domestic abuse scenarios.
Weird, and sorry for veering off-topic, but I always understood a large portion of child abuse comes from inside the family core, either a father or an uncle (married to adult women). Every single victim I know was abused by their father, and I know them well enough to know it was an actual process with jury trials and lots of struggle, as opposed to "lying in bad taste" (like some MAPs and (mtf) troons do, where there's only a nebulous account of the events that reads like a shitty fanfic (ftms seems to be another story but I'm not familiar personally, I've only really seen them in the Farms)).
Of course there are groomers and opportunists and all sorts of external creeps that will target kids, but every exceptionally sordid pedo story I've heard usually had the father abusing the daughter(or daughters) with impunity for a very long time (while also abusing the mothers in some way, to round up the fucked up factor.). And abusing fathers usually lack the telltale signs like internet activism, twitters full of lolishit, troonacy or anime avatars, so they are hard to suspect until shit explodes. In fact in many cases I've seen the father being defended for being such an upstanding citizen, "clearly this is a ruse for attention from a stupid, emotional teenager!".

Feel free to disagree, I am just going with my own anecdata of cases I know, but I'm not claiming to be an expert. I'm curious as to what the actual situation is, I can only talk for the cases I know.
 
The band Against Me has a troon singer I believe, and some of their songs are very okay. This one in particular is good because it's unintentionally incredibly based.

Your tells are so obvious
Shoulders too broad for a girl
Keeps you reminded
Helps you to remember where you come from

You want them to notice
The ragged ends of your Summer dress
You want them to see you
Like they see every other girl
They just see a faggot
They'll hold their breath not to catch the sick
I remember being so bummed when he came out as trans. They really were very good.
 

Brian May Slams Elimination of Gendered Awards, Wonders If Queen Would Be Forced to Have Transgender Member​

The BRIT Awards recently did away with male and female-specific awards

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Queen guitarist Brian May slammed the BRIT Awards for their removal of gender-specific award categories. He also wondered whether Queen would be have been “forced” to have transgender and multi-racial band members if they existed in present day.

In an interview with The Mirror, May compared the BRIT Awards’ shift away from male and female-specific categories to an infringement on personal freedom. He then used the topic to pontificate on a what he calls an “atmosphere of fear” that is plaguing society.

“…because people are afraid to say how they really think,” May said with a fearful tone himself, then warning that “there will be some kind of explosion.”

Even less tactfully, May went on to say that Queen “would be forced to have people of different colors and different sexes and we would have to have a trans [person]” if they were a contemporary band.

“For instance, Freddie came from Zanzibar, he wasn’t British, he wasn’t white as such — nobody cares, nobody ever, ever discussed it,” May said. “He was a musician, he was our friend, he was our brother. We didn’t have to stop and think: ‘Ooh, now, should we work with him?’ None of that happened, and now I find it frightening that you have to be so calculating about everything.”

May’s interview has gained some traction among right-wing British tabloids, somewhat in contrast to his views on COVID anti-vaxxers. Back in August, May made headlines when he called anti-vaxxers such as Eric Clapton and Van Morrison “fruitcakes.”

Queen will continue their Rhapsody tour on May 27th, 2022, in Belfast, with European dates running through July 25th. Get tickets via Ticketmaster.


 
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