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There isn't a tornado in this solar system that could move that much mass.
Mass casualty incident reported after tornado hits Amazon distribution center in Illinois - Officials are confirming there are fatalities at the Amazon facility in Edwardsville following Friday night’s severe weather.
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There isn't a tornado in this solar system that could move that much mass.
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I bought a used tractor a couple years ago and the weather band would go nuts any time there was a storm within a hundred miles. I finally looked into one day when it interrupted my music for the thousandth time. Some one had programed a quarter of the state into the WX. It took me 30 minutes to get it down to 3 counties. I almost turned them all off I was so pissed.
I would almost guarantee some of the weirder all-concrete houses around me would standup to an EF5. There are several with 18-24" walls, small windows, and a concrete roof.
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Cancelling work or school because of storms doesn't make sense (unless it's the sort of work where you work outside of course). Yes, both areas were in the "Moderate Risk" zone (second highest forecasting risk zone), but "Moderate Risk" can mean anything from this to like 1-2 weak tornadoes that blow the roof off a barn and some lightning. Even High Risk predictions can lead to barely any tornadoes.
Fact of the matter is that tornadoes barely kill anyone and rarely do much more than take out a few houses at most. In most years, lightning kills more people than tornadoes. I wager the average person in the candle factory or the Amazon warehouse were more likely to die from COVID-19 or COVID-19 "vaccines" than a tornado. Some of them may have genuinely been safer in those places under pretty much any other circumstance than at home, since given the demographics and economies of those communities, some may have lived in mobile homes
Although I do think employees should be allowed to stay home/leave early with no penalty if it's too dangerous to drive home/drive to work, and schools probably should dismiss early if the weather will hit at the end of the school day. But as a whole, it's really bad for workplace productivity if you lose 1-2 weeks a year just because of the threat of severe weather and also bad for the worker's paycheck. Amazon warehouses pay what, $15/hour? That's like $1,000-1,500 a year in lost wages for what almost always will be zero reason. If I were unfortunate to work at either of these places, I probably would've been a bit annoyed I couldn't get in the wage cage and make my money, at least until I saw my workplace on the news.
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No, He won't. Judging by Galtataur's reported history of desperate PMs at how they will surely be remembered as some enlightened being, their greatest fear is smoldering in some corner of Hell forgotten after their second obesity-induced heart attack.
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Obviously you have to take everything with a grain of salt. But...
nypost.com
"Workers at the tornado-ravaged Kentucky candle factory say they were told they’d be fired if they fled the facility as the killer twister closed in, according to a report Monday."
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“[Employees] had questioned if they could leave or go home,” worker McKayla Emery, 21, told the outlet. ” ‘If you leave, you’re more than likely to be fired.’ I heard that with my own ears.”
More than a dozen workers at the factory during the nightshift Friday pleaded to go home after emergency alarms warned of the coming twister, added another worker, Haley Conder.
She said managers told the crew, ” ‘You can’t leave. You have to stay here.’"
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"Forklift driver Mark Saxton added, “That’s the thing. We should have been able to leave.
“The first warning came, and they just had us go in the hallway,” he said. “After the warning, they had us go back to work. They never offered us to go home.”
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"But the company denied the claims.
“It’s absolutely untrue,” said Bob Ferguson to NBC. “We’ve had a policy in place since COVID began. Employees can leave any time they want to leave, and they can come back the next day.”
He added that bosses are trained in emergency drills following guidelines from the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration and that “those protocols are in place and were followed.”
On Sunday, the girlfriend of a worker killed at an Illinois Amazon plant said her beau was told he could not leave that facility as the storm moved in, killing him and five other employees."
Workers at Kentucky plant: We were told we’d be fired if we left building during tornado
Workers at the tornado-ravaged Kentucky candle factory say they were told they’d be fired if they fled the facility as the killer twister closed in, according to a report Monday.
nypost.com
"Workers at the tornado-ravaged Kentucky candle factory say they were told they’d be fired if they fled the facility as the killer twister closed in, according to a report Monday."
...
“[Employees] had questioned if they could leave or go home,” worker McKayla Emery, 21, told the outlet. ” ‘If you leave, you’re more than likely to be fired.’ I heard that with my own ears.”
More than a dozen workers at the factory during the nightshift Friday pleaded to go home after emergency alarms warned of the coming twister, added another worker, Haley Conder.
She said managers told the crew, ” ‘You can’t leave. You have to stay here.’"
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"Forklift driver Mark Saxton added, “That’s the thing. We should have been able to leave.
“The first warning came, and they just had us go in the hallway,” he said. “After the warning, they had us go back to work. They never offered us to go home.”
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"But the company denied the claims.
“It’s absolutely untrue,” said Bob Ferguson to NBC. “We’ve had a policy in place since COVID began. Employees can leave any time they want to leave, and they can come back the next day.”
He added that bosses are trained in emergency drills following guidelines from the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration and that “those protocols are in place and were followed.”
On Sunday, the girlfriend of a worker killed at an Illinois Amazon plant said her beau was told he could not leave that facility as the storm moved in, killing him and five other employees."
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True or not, this is going to be litigated for years. The lawyers are already salivating at the prospect of the seven-figure fees they're all going to collect on this one.Obviously you have to take everything with a grain of salt. But...
Workers at Kentucky plant: We were told we’d be fired if we left building during tornado
Workers at the tornado-ravaged Kentucky candle factory say they were told they’d be fired if they fled the facility as the killer twister closed in, according to a report Monday.
"Workers at the tornado-ravaged Kentucky candle factory say they were told they’d be fired if they fled the facility as the killer twister closed in, according to a report Monday."
...
“[Employees] had questioned if they could leave or go home,” worker McKayla Emery, 21, told the outlet. ” ‘If you leave, you’re more than likely to be fired.’ I heard that with my own ears.”
More than a dozen workers at the factory during the nightshift Friday pleaded to go home after emergency alarms warned of the coming twister, added another worker, Haley Conder.
She said managers told the crew, ” ‘You can’t leave. You have to stay here.’"
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"Forklift driver Mark Saxton added, “That’s the thing. We should have been able to leave.
“The first warning came, and they just had us go in the hallway,” he said. “After the warning, they had us go back to work. They never offered us to go home.”
...
"But the company denied the claims.
“It’s absolutely untrue,” said Bob Ferguson to NBC. “We’ve had a policy in place since COVID began. Employees can leave any time they want to leave, and they can come back the next day.”
He added that bosses are trained in emergency drills following guidelines from the Federal Emergency Management Agency and Occupational Safety and Health Administration and that “those protocols are in place and were followed.”
On Sunday, the girlfriend of a worker killed at an Illinois Amazon plant said her beau was told he could not leave that facility as the storm moved in, killing him and five other employees."
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And some of these bosses probably regret their decisions now...
Btw, I saw this interesting article about government and weather.
Your government is lying to you about extreme weather events
I wrote on Saturday that Biden sympathized briefly with the people in Kentucky before blaming climate change for the tornadoes. I said he was lying because serious weather events haven't escalated lately. They've remained stable ov...
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This was not a mere “threat of severe weather”; this was a waiting game of seeing where the tornados would actually touch down.
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If the reports they weren't allowed to leave in the last hour or two are true, then I agree, otherwise no. This shit happens a few times a year minimum where everyone says "oh shit, it's gonna be bad weather", but most of those days you'll just have some storms and wind and maybe a tornado or two. That's why it's called "moderate risk", because damaging tornadoes or wind is rare. Even when the Storm Prediction Center says it's a "high risk" day, it doesn't always cause large tornado outbreaks. Here, let the weather autists on Wikipedia explain it.
And even if west of you there were large tornadoes on the ground, that doesn't mean that will happen where you live. I've seen it happen a ton of times tornado outbreaks fade to almost nothing by the time they hit me, with not a single tornado warning for miles around even if 200 miles west a small town vanished off the map.
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Tornadoes do not give a single fuck about building codes. A nasty enough Tornado will take down anything.
For those asking about weather, 60F spells in early winter arent unheard of, but uncommon around these parts. It usually does result in some severe weather.
Can't believe the fucking Corvette museum got hit. That place cant catch a break. Hopefully Gateway Cars didnt get hit again, its down that way as well.
Hoping they find as many survivors as possible in those factory/warehouse collapses. My buddy lives in Edwardswville, has been past it and says its BAD.
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Not to be That Asshole, but is it common to say something so headline-worthy as "Amazon won't let us leave" during an emergency? "Boss won't let us" or Work won't let us" seems more natural.
"Amazon" isn't that big of a word so maybe it's not a big deal, it just caught my attention.
Staying inside during shitty weather isn't that bad of an idea, actually. Maybe management was worried about people getting in their cars and being blown away, and so used the only threat they had at their disposal to make them stay in the building? Turned out to be a bad choice, but did they know that?
I keep seeing lots of Amazon Bad! type sentiments all over the internet today and I decided to be rebellious. Ignore me.
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I fucking hate Amazon but I feel this is more a reflection of our midwestern carelessness regarding severe weather. Usually when tornadoes come people sit in their yards and watch. You only go into shelter when its close.
Also I've been in the Amazon warehouse in Monee, IL (about 4 hours north) and they have storm shelters like most businesses and facilities in this region do. Its probably company policy to keep everyone in the building if above X warning happens.
From what I understand Amazon is more akin to retail than blue collar work in terms of its workers, so I wouldnt be surprised if a good chunk of the people who work there bounce out or try to at the mildest out of work inconveniences or stress.
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Yeah I'm not sure I'm buying the "Amazon is evil and wouldn't let their employees flee the storm" angle either. Having lived in the midwest in the past and been at work when a foul storm started dropping funnels nearby, I can easily see that Amazon warehouse conversation going like this:
Employee: "fuck this shit I'm out, gotta get home to my family!"
Manager: "JFC Bob you can't go out in this! Are you crazy?"
Then that text conversation between the dude and his wife has a very different meaning. "Amazon won't let us leave" then translates to "the storm is so nasty right now they [Amazon] don't want us going outside because it's too dangerous" rather than "Amazon is so greedy and unconcerned with our safety that they're threatening to fire us if we don't stay and keep working even as the tornado threatens our very lives!"
Of course maybe they really are that bad and really did threaten to fire people if they tried to flee, but even then the employees aren't entirely blameless. I'd much rather be alive to sue them for firing me for seeking shelter during a life-threatening storm than leave a family in mourning as officials dig through wreckage to find my obedient corpse.
Employee: "fuck this shit I'm out, gotta get home to my family!"
Manager: "JFC Bob you can't go out in this! Are you crazy?"
Then that text conversation between the dude and his wife has a very different meaning. "Amazon won't let us leave" then translates to "the storm is so nasty right now they [Amazon] don't want us going outside because it's too dangerous" rather than "Amazon is so greedy and unconcerned with our safety that they're threatening to fire us if we don't stay and keep working even as the tornado threatens our very lives!"
Of course maybe they really are that bad and really did threaten to fire people if they tried to flee, but even then the employees aren't entirely blameless. I'd much rather be alive to sue them for firing me for seeking shelter during a life-threatening storm than leave a family in mourning as officials dig through wreckage to find my obedient corpse.
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In my experience, shelter in place is generally the norm in both public and private (remember school, anyone?)
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I agree, but this was the exception and not the rule. This line of supercells was dropping tornadoes left and right for hours in advance. Shutting down for a couple of hours was an easy way for these companies to not spend the next couple of years rolling through needless litigations about deaths on their property.
Between a massive factory surrounded by hazardous chemicals or even a shitty apartment complex bathroom, I'll take the bathroom any day of the week. I don't want to die under a pile of dildos while working at Amazon or turn into the Toxic Avenger in a candle factory.
I do agree that leaving while the tornado is bearing down on them is dumb. Its night and you have no idea where the tornado is at. At that point, the shitty factory/warehouse is the best you got.
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Thing is that line of supercells is entirely unpredictable. We were supposed to get whacked as well. Nothing. Literally rain drizzle.
Also there's no guarantee they'd be safe at home. This is the St.Louis area for amazon workers, 90% of these people were rejects who lived in trailers or apartments. For the rest that had actual houses, if they had a basement it would be the same safetywise as a factory shelter
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I always loved sitting on my granddads porch and watching them from a distance. The storm cellar was about 5 paces from the porch, so we felt pretty safe. He had a little over 80 acres so lots of good long views, and Knox county seems to draw several twisters every year. My other grandpa was a fire chief and I got to ride with him during spotter activation (they have civil service people go out and watch storms to eyeball for tornadoes during severe weather, and as a kid, its awesome riding around in a fire chiefs truck), so we got to chase em. Good times.
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Yes.
I worked at an auto plant for many, many years. I live in flyover country. One year, a tornado warning came on the radio on the assembly line I was on. There were no emergency sirens back then, but the Emergency Broadcast came on the intercom--LOUD. And every stoopidvisor, PTM, and absentee pool yelled at us that we CAN NOT LEAVE. Line never stopped.
We all heard it. Like a freight train outside. Thunder so loud, you could hear it (auto plants are YUGE and already loud, so thunderstorms normally are not heard). The POWER WENT OUT.
We stood there in darkness listening. Several minutes later, the power returned and the line restarted. We still could not leave. Last break, I went outside. Lucky for us... the parking lot was fine. No cars damaged that I could see. There was a lot of debris and a tornado DID touch down, but it grazed the town and missed it.
Another year, I had an early out. Same auto plant. I was driving home and heard sirens. I saw something out my passenger window. I pulled over and got out. Didn't have a smartphone, so I didn't vidya or take pictures. But there was a huge tornado. I watched it form...and touch down. It was way too far in the distance so I was safe to stand there and watch. I did for a few minutes and went home.
And that night... yep. That tornado took out a beloved local tourist attraction and caused A LOT of severe damage. Talk of a certain very DEADLY 1967 tornado that hit the same county was mentioned because there were clear parallels to both stories I just told.
When I went in the next day... my co-workers said they were told NOT TO LEAVE. I, back then, was not on an assembly line and had a high seniority mobile job anyway. Had I stayed, I could get to shelter, but not the others.
So, VERY COMMON, even for union jerbs.
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My last job was in a manufacturing facility and when a tornado warning was issued they would gather up all the workers and make them huddle in a certain hallway that was denoted as safe with little stickers. Having been all over in the building inside and out and being familiar with the structure, I knew there was nothing especially safe at all about the hallway. It was just a central area away from the outer walls. But it had the exact same roofing overhead the drop ceiling as the whole rest of the facility.
I would just get in my car and go home as I was a office drone and could get away with it. I was not willing to take even the chance of spending my last moments on earth with those people.
I would just get in my car and go home as I was a office drone and could get away with it. I was not willing to take even the chance of spending my last moments on earth with those people.