The “would the earth be better if Germany won WWII” debate thread - The hypothetical on if we’d all be better off speaking German

I don't think the tech of the nazis sucked, friend. Not at all.

Even soviet tech wasn't shit for a large part, if they considered it important enough.

I also don't think China is still banging together sticks and stones.

Equoting technology with capitalism is a giga US cope. Even in feudalism it kept on going, and there was the whole Victorian era.

And remember, even USA has regulated its market to some degree. Anti-tryst laws, consumer protection laws, etc.

Big tech is so shit because it managed to jew through the system and fuck over the regulations, if those did even exist.

Monopolies aren't your friend, nazi or commie you happen to be. They are only your friend if you are (((elite))) . Plutocracies aren't utopias.
The key word is competition, which in Europe you had by virtue of the various tribes and kingdoms being at each other's throat. To add to what @The Ugly One was kind enough to elaborate, in a true free market you have a darwinistic setting where innovation and quality ensures your survival. The fact that the initial free market is constantly being subverted and undermined by the government due to the average normalfag's insatiable hunger for welfare and natural desire to be pampered by a nanny state is a different matter and possibly another tale for another time.

German tech will, especially in peacetime eventually stagnate and fall behind as they kinda fucked themselves in the ass, and not even in the Greek way, by causing a massive brain drain of scientists in the name of "Aryan physics". And even if the Germans change their mind on "Jewish physics", said brain drain has already ensured that they hopelessly fell behind the United States and their best course of action being reverse engineering shit from the West, more or less what the Soviets did IRL.
Nazis were objectively better (...)
Personally I prefer humouring trannies over ending up in Jasenovac by far, it's not even a contest.
 
The key word is competition, which in Europe you had by virtue of the various tribes and kingdoms being at each other's throat. To add to what @The Ugly One was kind enough to elaborate, in a true free market you have a darwinistic setting where innovation and quality ensures your survival. The fact that the initial free market is constantly being subverted and undermined by the government due to the average normalfag's insatiable hunger for welfare and natural desire to be pampered by a nanny state is a different matter and possibly another tale for another time.

German tech will, especially in peacetime eventually stagnate and fall behind as they kinda fucked themselves in the ass, and not even in the Greek way, by causing a massive brain drain of scientists in the name of "Aryan physics". And even if the Germans change their mind on "Jewish physics", said brain drain has already ensured that they hopelessly fell behind the United States and their best course of action being reverse engineering shit from the West, more or less what the Soviets did IRL.

Personally I prefer humouring trannies over ending up in Jasenovac by far, it's not even a contest.

Yeah, if you are a jew or tranny or faggot, this is better. But for straight white males, nope, it is not. I would assume that any hypothetical scenario with the germans winning would not involve the US still existing in any recognisable shape and form aside from wreckage, what you describe may be more suited for "What if WW2 never broke out" instead of the original Orange Bad Man winning the war with his wonderwaffle moonbase and giant lasers.

In this other case, I could see perhaps pre-Monkey Looter Kang US doing good, but after that, its all downhill. It is a slow decline, but a marked decline, and against an actively eugenic competitor it would have been even more obvious.

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But since we are going onto fairy tales already, an US which doubles down on white ethos and puts the coloureds back in their place could be a viable competitor. It has a great wealth of resources, the thing holding it back now in real life is the monkeyfied and drugged population.
 
Honestly, it'd depend on what sort of leaders and ideology this post-WWII Germany follows.

They'd need to hope that a lot of the batshit politicians and generals that Germany had were dead or otherwise out of the picture. Hitler especially, since he was a drug-addicted megalomaniac who at points believed he was possessed "not by a demon, but by a spirit from pre-Christian Aryan mythology". It's not too farfetched to assume that if Hitler drops dead and the next fuhrer is a more level-headed, less extreme (but still fascist) individual, that a lot of the more insane politicians that'd oppose them would be silently bumped off like most other authoritarian states. Think akin to what happened after Stalin dropped dead in the USSR.

Best outcome for the Germans is that Germany post-victory eventually comes up with a reason to declare Slavs and other Eastern Europeans as actually being honorary Aryans (the only European groups that they'd probably still remain hostile towards being Jews and gypsies), probably using the Balkan states and Finland's support against the Soviets and the millions of assorted volunteers from the Baltics and former Soviet Republics that fought for the Axis as part of their argument. If they remain openly hostile towards those people, they'd end up mired in countless internal conflicts and rebellions that'd destroy Germany's already weakened economy.
 
The idea of a alternate cold war between The US and a victorious Greater Germanic Reich that stretches from Holland to the Urals has always intrigued me partly due to my family history- so I'll throw in my thoughts here:

Hitler named Goering as his successor on numerous occasions- I imagine that Goering would be sort of a Brezhnev figure that would try and keep the status quo and bleed the eastern reichkommisarants dry before ultimately succumbing to death as a result of his obesity and morpheme addiction sometime in the late 1950;s. I think it would have been inevitable that if this were to happen, Reinhard Heydrich would take over and use the bloated-by-hitler power of the SS to be sort of the "Stalin" figure of the New Order (as in, purging the "old bolshevik" faction of the party, rampantly increasing the holocaust and Generalplan Ost, rapidly increasing Nazi intervention efforts overseas in proxy conflicts with the United States). I could even see Heydrich utilizing the Christian-Pagan divide you still see in Neo-Fascist movements nowadays to launch a "cultural revolution" to finally end the "Kulturkampf" hitler started and make the SS form of Germanic Neopaganism the state religion. Some would say this is far-fetched but I would argue it's no more suicidal of a policy than the Soviet's attempt to turn all of highly, highly religious Orthodox Christian Europe into Atheists.

In regards to "proxy wars", I want to quote Hitler himself here:

"The white races did, of course, give some things to the natives, and they were the worst gifts that they could possibly have made, those plagues of our own modern world-materialism, fanaticism, alcoholism and syphilis. For the rest, since these peoples possessed qualities of their own which were superior to anything we could offer them, they have remained essentially unchanged. Where imposition by force was attempted, the results were even more disastrous, and common sense, realizing the futility of such measures, should preclude any recourse to their introduction. One solitary success must be conceded to the colonizers: everywhere they have succeeded in arousing hatred, a hatred that urges these peoples, awakened from their slumbers by us, to rise and drive us out. Indeed, it looks almost as though they had awakened solely and simply for that purpose! Can anyone assert that colonization has increased the number of Christians in the world? Where are those conversions en masse which mark the success of Islam? Here and there one finds isolated islets of Christians, Christians in name, that is, rather than by conviction; and that is the sum total of the successes of this magnificent Christian religion, the guardian of supreme Truth! Taking everything into consideration, Europe's policy of colonization has ended in a complete failure."

"Never, at any price, should we have put our money on France and against the peoples subjected to her yoke. On the contrary, we should have helped them to achieve their liberty and, if necessary, should have goaded them into doing so. There was nothing to stop us in 1940 from making a gesture of this sort in the Near East and in North Africa. In actual fact our diplomats instead set about the task of consolidating French power, not only in Syria, but in Tunis, in Algeria and Morocco as well. Our 'gentlemen' obviously preferred to maintain cordial relations with distinguished Frenchmen, rather than with a lot of hirsute revolutionaries, with a chorus of musical comedy officers, whose one idea was to cheat us, rather than with the Arabs, who would have been loyal partners for us."

""Our Italian ally has been a source of embarrassment to us everywhere. It was this alliance, for instance, which prevented us from pursuing a revolutionary policy in North Africa. In the nature of things, this territory was becoming an Italian preserve and it was as such that the Duce laid claim to it. Had we been on our own, we could have emancipated the Moslem countries dominated by France; and that would have had enormous repercussions in the Near East, dominated by Britain, and in Egypt. But with our fortunes linked to those of the Italians, the pursuit of such a policy was not possible. All Islam vibrated at the news of our victories. The Egyptians, the Irakis and the whole of the Near East were all ready to rise in revolt. Just think what we could have done to help them, even to incite them, as would have been both our duty and in our own interest! But the presence of the Italians at our side paralysed us; it created a feeling of malaise among our Islamic friends, who inevitably saw in us accomplices, willing or unwilling, of their oppressors. For the Italians in these parts of the world are more bitterly hated, of course, than either the British or the French. The memories of the barbarous, reprisals taken against the Senussi are still vivid. Then again the ridiculous pretensions of the Duce to be regarded as The Sword of Islam evokes the same sneering chuckle now as it did before the war. This title, which is fitting for Mahomed and a great conqueror like Omar, Mussolini caused to be conferred on himself by a few wretched brutes whom he had either bribed or terrorized into doing so. We had a great chance of pursuing a splendid policy with regard to Islam. But we missed the bus, as we missed it on several other occasions, thanks to our loyalty to the Italian alliance! In this theatre of operations, then, the Italians prevented us from playing our best card, the emancipation of the French subjects and the raising of the standard of revolt in the countries oppressed by the British. Such a policy would have aroused the enthusiasm of the whole of Islam. It is a characteristic of the Moslem world, from the shores of the Atlantic to those of the Pacific, that what affects one, for good or for evil, affects all.""


TL;DR While Hitler called efforts to ally with anti-colonial forces in Mein Kampf to be equivalent to working with a "coalition of cripples", once he was actively fighting the war National Socialism started adopting alot of anti-colonial talking points. I can very easily imagine a victorious Nazi state supporting Fascist anti-colonial movements all throughout the third world, ex. the Ba'athists or Golden Square in Iraq, the Boers in South Africa, the more radical Hindu fundamentalist movements in India. As a matter of fact, contrary to the TNO scenario of a vietnam-esque quagmire in South Africa, I would imagine the big "proxy conflict" for this cold war would be in India between not only Democrat and Fascist indian forces- but also different Muslim, Hindu, and Sikh militias. Britain even without Sealion (which never would have happened anyways) would regardless be running around losing colonies like a chicken with it's head cut off anyways- fuck, they were like that IRL.

Also the AK47 would probably never be invented- the "ultimate bad-guy gun", to quote the late R. Lee Ermey, would be the FN FAL or some derivative of the STG44.

I could go on for hours about different things regarding pop culture, geopolitics, the economy, etc. in such a alternate history scenario but I've sperged enough here so I'll wait for feedback before giving more thoughts.
 
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west would probably be a lot less openly deviant.
other than that I doubt much would be different at all.
 
(Extended) Germany, with occupied Russia and stuff, would probably collapse over time just like the USSR, making way to some post-fascist German nation which would probably be a lot better to live in than todays Germany. There would also be some proto-EU forming between the Axis members and all the territory formerly under direct German occupation, but obviously still with Germany as the unopposed leader. Hitler wasn’t completely opposed to democracy, the Nazis prouded themselves on taking over the Weimar Republic essentially by democratic means and Hitler also stated in Mein Kampf that at some point he would consider a form of “Germanic Democracy” when National Socialism did its job so to speak. I don’t think Germany will stay a dictatorship forever and will at some point become a kind of republic.

Now of course the question is how you would define a German victory, I’d say it’s somewhat realistic that they won on the Eastern front in mid-1942 and the UK+US gave up because there was no realistic way to win anymore. Operation Sea Lion is not gonna work, like, ever and some world domination thing where the US speaks German is also unrealistic. The only thing that would truly change is that Germany would probably be in some kind of Cold War scenario with the US. Hitler allegedly had some intention of invading the US at some point, but with no fleet to speak of they would take decades to even produce enough ships to consider such an endeavor. Not gonna happen either I think.

All the people advocating for a Nazi victory from WW2 would be cannon fodder.
See this is what I don’t get. For Americans it makes almost zero difference culturally if Germany won WW2 or not. You’d probably have people like Rockwell gaining more mainstream attention and have more people fascinated with Nazism but that’s about it. McCarthyism might be replaced by something analogous for fascism.

If you get over the loss of life as a direct result of the war and the Nazi campaigns against Jews etc. and only look 80 years into the future chances are the world would be a much better place politically. For the whole western world WW2 acts as some kind of founding myth for the liberal world order - a battle between the good guys and bad guys that “we” won. The more time passes the more Nazis get made into this cartoonishly evil bogeyman used by all political sides to define the virtue of their ideology simply by some metric of political distance to Nazism. Maybe without this sentiment there would be no moral basis or public support for things like mass immigration from third world countries. Europe and the Anglosphere would still be “racist” to some degree, which might arguably be a good thing. Also uncontested Japanese Asian dominance is probably better in the long run than getting fucked by the Chinese now. There’s a million little things to consider obviously, but my short answer would be yes, we would be better off if Hitler won.
 
Yes. Most of the stupid shit you're seeing today is the same stupid shit you saw in the Weimar Republic and it has the exact same (((cause))).


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So much mutt coping ITT. Your country is shit. If your grandpappy dat fought "dah ebil nazis" had of seen this shit when he was a young chad, he'd have tosed that disgusting shit spangled banner in the nearest cesspit and fought for a legitimate nation. The only reason he didn't call you out on your massive cuckoldry before he died was because he had the vain hope that you'd fix yourself and your fucked up society. Just like the outcome of the war though, you're a disappointment. The best he can hope for is that when Uncle Schlomo decides to bulldoze over his grave in Arlington is that they decide to just put up another shartmart in its place rather than yet another dead drug addict nigger monument. As fucked a fate as this is though, he got off lucky. If you do somehow manage to have kids, not only are they going to troon out, they're going to hate you for one reason or another so you'll be lucky to even get a cardboard box.

Jewmuricans have this delusion that 2.000 years from now the US will be looked at like what Rome is looked at. This is simply not the case though. Assuming the western world manages to pull through the absolute shit it is in now, Jewmurica will only exist as a cautionary tale. If it doesn't pull through, it will be some esoteric subject of future scholars from whatever society expands into the ruins of the western world. The lowest circle of hell is reserved for traitors and Jewmurica has not only betrayed its own people, it has betrayed the entire western world and even God himself.

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A German "victory" probably would entail conquering Europe and setting up a satellite state in the UK. The United States would survive and Japan would be left over as an ascendant power in the East.

The real question is if Germany would eventually suffer a Soviet-style collapse from the usual problems of extreme authoritarianism or if it would reform and manage to survive as the ChiComs have. It's also easy to imagine the Japanese either allying with America at some point or keeping mostly to themselves.

In any scenario the end result by the 2020s is still multi-polar chaos with different players.
 
Pretty much the same, the nazis would very likely shortly collapse after gaining too much ground, losing too much troops and having pushback in occupied countries that don't see eye to eye with the race thing and want their independence.
Technology wise it would probably be worse since, even without jews, post-war dictatorships aren't well known for producing good technology (unless it's for dick measuring). If anything, history shows us that the "losers" of ww2 ended up winning technology-wise since the "winners" stagnated hard due to their increased wealth and security (ie, german and japanese auto industries).
Culture wise it will be just as degenerate considering German porn was extreme even 30 years back. Only instead of promoting gays they'd promote eating shit (out of the asses of gays).
Even if every jew was exterminated, americans mullatos would still blame them for why their economy is a mess, their single mother is fucking Jamal and they have the urge to suck cock.
 
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I like, half remember a really shitty Spike show about that one - they literally called the show "Alternate History", they didn't give any form of effort. Good luck actually finding it - the pilot episode somefuckinghow made it to air, and then everyone kinda agreed to forget about it. Alternate History Hub actually managed to find the episode to make a video shitting on how stupid it was...

"The Man in the High Castle" was based on that alternate reality

 
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Im not patient enough to write an essay on the topic, but I think everyone here as left out a critical point.

Nuclear Weapons.

The greatest chance of a German victory would be the development and deployment of nuclear weapons before anyone else. They could easily conquer Europe with very little losses by causing them to surrender like Japan did to America. Russia would be more difficult to conquer but if they hit them hard enough and fast enough the country would collapse before they could develop any nukes themselves. Germany would like spend the remainder of its time securing Europe and pillaging Russia into submission. If Hitler were smart(which he wasn't), he would stop expansion through force and use the time to recover and strengthen their newly conquered continent. Hitler was already a fan of using diplomacy to subvert African and Middle Eastern countries so he would likely seek alliance and mutual trade with them. He would see China as commie shit hole not worth the time to conquer and would just let Japan rape them to death. India would likely become a submissive ally to avoid confrontation with a superpower that can destroy them overnight.

America would immediately drop anything they were doing and proceed with developing nuclear weapons themselves. Due to their innovation they would likely achieve it fast enough to make themselves protected against Germany. They would be at a disadvantage as they would not have the economic trade routes and support they currently have with Europe. They would have to strengthen their ties to South America and Canada and focus on infrastructure to make the continent as robust as possible to compete with Germany's growing power. It would definitely be a cold war as America would see the Nazis as the ultimate threat the way they see Russia IRL.

Both Nazis and America would fight to gain favour with Africa and the Middle East and Pacific. Germany would likely support Japan in a proxy war against the States which would result in a stalemate in the Pacific that would cut off trade routes to India. Australia would become a crucial location for America to expand against Japan. The possible use of nukes against Japan would make Germany stockpile nuclear weapons in Japan to ward off America from pushing further into the Pacific. With Germany holding power, the smart thing for them to do would be to actually establish something like the UN to start spreading their facisim through culture, diplomacy, and economics. The key expansion point would be Africa, America would do everything in their power to secure parts of that continent including possible war. If they lose ground in Africa then Nazi Germany and its allies would basically control 3/4 of the world.

It would all be dependent on how Germany rebuilds it self and maintains control over its conquered territories. If they can secure strong economic growth and avoid insane genocide that would cause a fight-or-die revolt in their subjugated countries then they could easily become a more dominant superpower then even NATO is right now. In a worst case scenario, we would see the potential for an actual nuclear conflict, but that would likely never happen as both countries would be well aware of how disastrous it would be for themselves and the world.

I haven't even got to the cultural implications of what facisim would do to our world, but it would likely be just as degenerate and stupid as our current culture. There would likely be degeneracy and a watering down of the nazi ideology, and eventually the potential for American freedom(assuming America keeps that persona) ideology to start becoming a revolt within the Axis states the way neoliberal ideology is festering in our culture today.

Tldr: Even a retard like Hitler can make a world superpower if you get nukes first.

Edit: Forgot to mention, Europe would be kike free and they would have to flee and live in third world shit holes and be slaves to niggers. Only place they would survive is Jewmerica. Israel would never exist and would be occupied by Palestinian sand monkeys, becoming a tourist attraction for religious people(minus the kikes). Originally I thought nazi victory would be bad, but it might worth cost considering the benefits...
 
I think german porn became what it is after they lost ww2.

It is also a myth that they wanted to kill out ALL slavs. Croatians, Slovakians and Romanians all fought for Axis while it was convenient without trouble, though us Huns didn't like fighting alongside them.

Hitler was a master at divide at conquer with his allies.
 
I think german porn became what it is after they lost ww2.

It is also a myth that they wanted to kill out ALL slavs. Croatians, Slovakians and Romanians all fought for Axis while it was convenient without trouble, though us Huns didn't like fighting alongside them.

Hitler was a master at divide at conquer with his allies.
German porn is only weird because they had lax porn laws. If you wanted a pee video you had to shoot in Germany.

"Hitler was a master at divide at conquer with his allies."
Out jewing the Jews.
 
Absolutely not. Tens if not hundreds of millions of innocent people would have been murdered if the Nazis had won. And on a purely personal level, presuming the Nazis somehow conquered the US I doubt American Slavs would be treated better than Eastern European Slavs, and I like not being dead or enslaved thank you very much.
 
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