Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[behindyourightnow]

uhh..
“
Ninety-six to 99% of the normal sigmoid bacterial flora consists of anaerobes mainly Bacteroides species, fusobacteria and lactobacilli with count estimated to be 10’11 per gram faeces. The microflora of the sigmoid neovagina contains only normal inhabitants of the colon, but the total count of bacteria (10’3–10’11/g) is lower than reported for a healthy sigmoid colon.9

Having a leak through the sigmoid neovagina makes a passage for colon bacteria to the abdominal cavity or retroperitoneal space.”


watch out you don’t get PinkJapsEye, sticking your dick in there.

fr i don’t know what those feces per gram numbers mean, but i don’t like em

Sigmoid colon vaginoplasties blow my mind. God, in his infinite benevolence, already gave you a length of colon that you can stick a dick into. You don't need another one!

 

[Kiislova]

.Snip.

There's a trans glossary thread, drop by with any corrections or additions you may have.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tranny-glossary-reloaded.89988/

While sometimes taking a jab, it tries to be truthful.

 

[Kelly's Yeeted Legs]

I'm idly curious as to whether all these MTF troons had very small peepees to start with, and maybe that's why they want to be women?

One I knew claims that was the reason -- he could never satisfy a woman with his teeny weenie so he trooned out and became a lesbian.

Tragedy is he already had (as do all of us hoomins) everything you actually require to orgasmatize a female, no peepee required.

Edit: new phone, haven't installed kiwi inthe autocorrupt yet

 

[Retired Junta Member]

I’ve talked to a person who had a failed phalloplasty and wanted to sue Crane: they can’t do anything because there’s no official standard of care for these surgeries so there’s no baseline to compare it to and say the surgeon did something wrong. It’s a lovely scam for these assholes.

This and no sane lawyer would start a crusade that, given the current political climate, would likely end their career.
There’s just too much societal pressure and to many conflicting interest when it come to the transgender community, it’s just too risky.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I do wonder how the informed consent model will shake out. Is ‘well the patient agreed they knew all the potential side effects’ a good legal defense? And T is off label for trans men, so we don’t even know what the potential side effects are.

 

[road timber]

I do wonder how the informed consent model will shake out. Is ‘well the patient agreed they knew all the potential side effects’ a good legal defense? And T is off label for trans men, so we don’t even know what the potential side effects are.

i agree, this is completely uncharted territory, because SRS in particular has the elective nature of cosmetic surgery, the complications of a major surgery, and the standards and expertise of a recent surgical "innovation". if it were not connected to mainstream identity politics, a culture of silence, and unjustified optimism surrounding the practice, it would have probably gone the way of the endometriosis morcellator.

 

[Full Body Terfgasm]

The cold mantle of reality is settling over the shit seeping troon.

The surgeon has to "close my neovaginal canal". You know, regular girl stuff....


I hope some stupid troons are reading this.

"I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING TO HAVE NOT HAD THIS SURGERY IN THE FIRST PLACE"

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[Sinner's Sandwich]

"I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING NOT TO HAVE NOT HAD THIS SURGERY IN THE FIRST PLACE"

Remember that in looney troon land therapy leads to suicide but genital multilation is "life saving".

Dudes life is totally saved now!

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

I hope some stupid troons are reading this.

"I WOULD GIVE ANYTHING NOT TO HAVE NOT HAD THIS SURGERY IN THE FIRST PLACE"

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I wonder how long it'll take until he starts coping with that this was totally worth it? A day? A week? A month?

 

[ArtificialSneeze]

There is a man pooping out of his vagina.

…

There is a man pooping out of his vagina.

….

THERE IS A MAN POOPING OUT OF HIS VAGINA.

 

[Peaches Demure]

Remember that in looney troon land therapy leads to suicide but genital multilation is "life saving".

Dudes life is totally saved now!

I wonder what he means by his "family". A wife and kids he abandoned and probably mistreated by chasing the autogynephilia dragon? My sympathy for this type of man is rather limited.

 

[Falling Star]

Chunky_pickle [previous update here] showing off her fistula:

Spoiler: NSFW

She's the three-stream pee girl, if you've forgotten. Unfortunately, this most recent fistula repair surgery has failed. Her quest to STP is never-ending...

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Spenzx [previous update here] is still waiting for repair surgery - her urethral lengthening failed and she also lost a testicle implant a few months ago.

Spoiler: NSFW

She's the Nicaraguan girl who got SRS in Mexico (because it's illegal in her country), and then had to immediately go to the ER for complications after she got home - pretty much as soon as she got off the plane, in fact. And now she's just stuck waiting indefinitely for a chance to go back and try to fix everything.
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Catspeen [previous update here] is about as healed as she's going to get. Still has issues peeing though.

Spoiler: NSFW

Arm scar:

Leg scar:

Final result of her abdominal phalloplasty:

"red arrow points to the location of stricture from my xray, it's like a knotted balloon animal"

I was confused in previous updates since she got abdominal phalloplasty but still has those awful arm & leg scars. Well... surprise, surprise. It's because she went to Dr. Daniel Freet, who likes to unnecessarily carve up his abdo phallo patients - as we just recently learned.

If you read through her post history, it's absolutely full of depression & pain (borderline suicidal, IMO). So I hope it's true that she's trying to move on and is happier now.
I suspect that this is partially cope, however. I mentioned before that the FTM SRS subreddits found out about KF / this thread relatively recently, and they've been whispering about it among themselves. I think that's what Catspeen is alluding to at the bottom of this post, so she could just be putting on a brave face to own the haterz.
At any rate, she definitely has the right idea about changing her mindset, going outside, and being physically active. I wish her the best! (Sincerely.)
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Ankuoe78 underwent metoidioplasty (stage 2, so I think she's done now unless she needs revisions) a couple weeks ago. The result kinda speaks for itself:

Spoiler: NSFW

After stage 1:


After stage 2:

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BONUS:
Cryolophosaurus666 is another FTM who's been making allusions about this thread, and much like the "debate me bro!" troon we had in here last week, she made a post about how trans people all love and never regret getting surgery... According to SCIENCE™.
It's so obviously a cope though! She's a Cetrulo patient who's currently only on stage 1 of 5 of his "delayed abdominal" phalloplasty method, but she's in a lot of pain and clearly seems to be having some doubt/regret. Who is she trying to fool? Obviously: herself

Spoiler: SFW screencaps

https://www.reddit.com/r/phallo/comments/rne7px/countering_negativity_with_positivity/
These are the papers she linked:

1. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21699661/
2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20092545/
3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32105126/
4. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27544457/
5. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27556603/
6. https://tau.amegroups.com/article/view/3748/4674
7. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jsm.12297

I guess we should just close this thread. Nothing to see here! All the horror is just fake news or something.

Here's an example of her struggling btw:

Keep in mind that she has four more surgeries to go. Cetrulo hasn't even made her phallodick yet - the first surgery is just prep work.

 

[Moon Cricket]

The surgeon has to "close my neovaginal canal". You know, regular girl stuff....
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Can someone with a bit more amhole knowledge than me (probably all of you... except that troon from a few pages ago), help clear my confusion on this please?

He says they need to close his canal right? and that it can be re-opened later.... so does that mean they are just sealing the entrance shut?

Surely not, I understand that he won’t be dilating anyways as he might punch another hole through to his shitter but unless they are 100% sure that the fistula is repaired (which from my admittedly limited research) is unlikely with just one surgery.... they might be just be sealing the only exit for any leaking shit coming through the faied repairs. He said there were 3 fistulas right?

... Does that mean there is a potential for this dude to be waking around with a literal 4-7 inch deep pocket of feces in his groin?

Unless they are going to seal the whole canal shut from the top of the pocket to the entrance in which case... how can it just be casually “re-opened” at a later date?

Sorry if my questions are stupid.

 

[Sourceress]

Can someone with a bit more amhole knowledge than me (probably all of you... except that troon from a few pages ago), help clear my confusion on this please?

He says they need to close his canal right? and that it can be re-opened later.... so does that mean they are just sealing the entrance shut?

Surely not, I understand that he won’t be dilating anyways as he might punch another hole through to his shitter but unless they are 100% sure that the fistula is repaired (which from my admittedly limited research) is unlikely with just one surgery.... they might be just be sealing the only exit for any leaking shit coming through the faied repairs. He said there were 3 fistulas right?

... Does that mean there is a potential for this dude to be waking around with a literal 4-7 inch deep pocket of feces in his groin?

Unless they are going to seal the whole canal shut from the top of the pocket to the entrance in which case... how can it just be casually “re-opened” at a later date?

Sorry if my questions are stupid.

It sounds like what they're trying to say (and they're saying it poorly, I understand your confusion) is that they're planning to surgically repair the fistulas and then close off the neovagina to reduce the chance of the fistulas reoccurring. Basically the surgeon isn't confident that these fistulas are a fluke and feels like they'll probably come back or he'll get more of them if they don't stop him from being able to dilate at all and just let things heal up down there, with the hopes that someday after sufficient healing is done, they can reopen shop and there won't be any more fistulas.

 

[Moon Cricket]

It sounds like what they're trying to say (and they're saying it poorly, I understand your confusion) is that they're planning to surgically repair the fistulas and then close off the neovagina to reduce the chance of the fistulas reoccurring. Basically the surgeon isn't confident that these fistulas are a fluke and feels like they'll probably come back or he'll get more of them if they don't stop him from being able to dilate at all and just let things heal up down there, with the hopes that someday after sufficient healing is done, they can reopen shop and there won't be any more fistulas.

Thank you.

So I assume the surgeons are pretty confident that they can fx these fistulas first time round and that there will absolutely not be one more spec of fecal matter leaking through into any remaining little spaces in that newly sealed cavern.

Sounds insanely risky, because at least with the canal open, if the repair failed then the shit can just leak out and it won’t be sealed in any small creases etc in his actual body. Why can‘t they tell this fool to just not dilate?

If he can’t be trusted to listen to the docs and not ram stuff up his broken surgical site then surely there needs to be some sort of follow up with how he was deemed mentally competent enough for this surgery in the first place.

Crazy stuff. Oh well, nevermind.

 

[sanguis draconis]

If you mean like a neovaginal prolapse, that very rarely (if ever) happens, AFAIK. I think I've maybe seen a single picture of one before.

I posted that pic! It's from this article about medical complications of SRS, passionpoop enjoy reading and looking at the complications! (it includes fistulas also, the bits and pieces falling apart not so much because the doctors treat that as just part of the process and usually when the troons call or text horrified they assure them it's totally normal and no issue)

Will try to compile some articles/videos that detail the procedures too, it's as I said before fascinating, disturbing stuff.

I went and stalked that profile because I was curious about the unusual scarring and dear god, it's so tragic. That woman is utterly gorgeous and stylish (and honestly, still looks stunning with her clothes on). And she's yeeted her boobs and is posting pictures of her butthole on r/ftmspunished. Why are we supposed to pretend this is healthy.

The fact the first non-porn post (besides a pic of an extensive neopets plush collection) is a post on r/vent titled "Sick of not having a dad"

To quote Fiona Apple, "There's no hope for women"

I also get the sneaking suspicion that the people on our side of the fence also happen to have hate boners which makes things a bit murkier.

I know what you mean because a lot of the radfem sperg about mastectomy like it's another loony troon doctor invention and not a normal medical procedure that of course is not perfect because it's meant to be a solution to a bigger problem and not done to perfectly healthy teens. I understand their concerns but ultimately if you had a mastectomy you are not "BUTCHERED FOR LIFE" anywhere close to the same way that you will from the genital stuff. The hormones on teens as far as I'm concerned are a much bigger issue for overall health since we have no idea of what they're doing.

That's the biggest problem, also: We have no idea of what those doctors are actually doing. Some of the studies can be dishonest (like I've posted with Deschamps) and a search for transparency and looking at negative side effects gets supressed by both the doctors we talk about and their loyal TRAS (that have no problem leaving the victims of those mutilations to rot in order to stop anything that might contradict their "trans women are women" mantra).

I understand why you are skeptical but one of the reasons everyhting seems so extreme on both sides is exactly the fact that this whole trans thing has been so politicized it's hard to research the consequences of hormones or those surgeries honestly, so a lot of the stuff is either the extremely sanitized version where doctors of capable of alchemy and transmute a functional vag from a dissected dick or a perfect penis from pieces of skin, or the version of horrific almost unexplained side effects we get from the crumbs left from mutilated people on internet forums where we try our best to guess what is actually going on from their pictures and the stuff they hear from the ER visits. There is some articles like the one I posted above but even they are kinda short on talking about the complications and there aren't many pictures.

(I'm basically reiterating what Falling Star said, lol)

Do we know of other surgeons pursuing civil cases when their patients discuss poor outcomes?

Deschamps-Braly not only threatened the girl into silence but continued to use her pics for his own stuff

I'm skeptical about the Suporn Clinic because they're usually just chosen for being very cheap and supposedly having "aesthetically pleasing" results, but it's true that they have vastly more experience than most SRS surgeons

Suporn is great because he trolls western troons by being against their further degeneracy (such as being clear he won't even consider the futa fetishists). Interested in those other surgeons, I see them being talked about positively but not sure we've seen much of their work

Thread: "1 year post op - I love her but she doesn’t look very cis and that kinda makes me sad." (He's creepily talking about his stinkditch)

Those ones that look like "pockets" instead of just a hole get to me the most. Besides the delusion, imagine how for awkward for a guy to penetrate that.

It may be of interest to you to search whether those regretting SRS had identified as tucute/truscum at some point, if you'd like to entertain some time. It was an extremely big keyword some half decade ago - I remember it as such anyway - though the words now have matured from the more cringy "truscum"/"tucute" to "transmedicalist" or the longer version of tucute, which is likely posts resembling "you don't need dysphoria to be trans".

Yeah, as someone that was there and knew a lot of people that later detransitioned, a lot of detrans are the "transmedicalist" types and they just realized that surgeries and hormones wouldn't fix their body dysphoria. I might be wrong but the fact you are even making this observation gives me the impression this is still a cope (ie. "they detransed/regretted it because they were not real trans", that's not true at all, a lot of detrans/desisters continue to live with dysphoria. There's also talks of not feeling it anymore but for a lot of people, specially of it was more about their bodies than the social aspects, you just learn to live your life)

(my join date denotes I am one of a glut of people who joined purely to hate on the advent of PhilosophyTroon)

lmao, better than my join date after years of lurking to inform kiwis that the vagina infested with flies was regretfully not an amhole

The whole thing is basically a load of mind-numbingly stupid, homophobic horseshit that's based on the idea that the "sex" in "homosexual"/"heterosexual"/"bisexual" refers to the act of having sex rather than the sex(es) that you are attracted to... which isn't true, obviously.

Spoiler: Internet Historian sperg

It's basically a result of the constant flanderization of asexuality as it got trendy and people wanted to be included. (as is the case with many identities online)

It starts with the simple "asexual" is about not being attracted to anyone. Popular memes invoilved cake, the idea being "cake is better than sex!"

At this point there is the 2 big conflicts, the "you can still have a libido" one, that started as some saying "we don't want to have sex but we still enjoy masturbating" (the permavirgin cope kind, basically) and the "We don't want sex but we still want a bf/gf" that actually has some overlap with stuff like "stone butch" lesbians and sexual abuse survivors.

From the libido cope we go further until "we enjoy sex but we don't feel attraction!" and from the celibate dating we get to "split attraction". When you get the 2 concepts together you basically get the hell that is the "ace community" with people into heavy bdsm sex pretending they are different than anyone else.

Not to rekindle but that troon from the last (?) week, with all “gimme proofs!”should have searched for “sue” in trans surgery subreddits, to see why there’s not much paperwork that documents someone’s regret

I am gone for a week and already feels like I've missed so much from this thread lmao

Sigmoid colon vaginoplasties blow my mind. God, in his infinite benevolence, already gave you a length of colon that you can stick a dick into. You don't need another one!

Feel like a broken record but pointing out again: that one is not an exclusive troon butcher lunacy, it's a DSD related lunacy and real XX woman with normal looking vulvas but vaginal agenesis are some of the primary victims of that, including minors

 

[Full Body Terfgasm]

Spoiler: sperging

This thread has absolutely appalled me. I'm in shock. This is Elephant Man levels of Victorian era freak show abuse exploitation and horror. The poor stupid troons are being exploited by the egotistical surgeons. The god-complex surgeons drink their own kool aid, those yachts won't pay for themselves. From a normal persons' perspective this is Human Centipede horror. It won't be far off in the future when there'll be oscar winning documentaries exposing all this troonanity.

 

[Tovarisz]

It's always funny when they start bitching about some place on the internet talking about them and their dirty laundry and shitty pads as if people had to break into their laundry room and dig through their actual trash and not as if they were posting their life stories on freaking reddit of all god forsaken places to do so.

Doubly funny when their black/white mindset disallows them from noticing just how much unwarranted caring for their well being and feeling sorry for them goes on here, way more than in their "Misery Loves Company - The Community" subreddits.

Nah, this here thread is just full of haters because if Support & Enabling < 100% then Hate = 100%.

Dear troons, true and honest haters don't need any forums if they want to watch you suffer and read your groveling to have a bit of a laugh, they just need to visit your public profiles on hellsites like reddit. This here thread is for discussing one thing you can't discuss according to rules of your subs - results.

 

[Gilkore]

I agree that hormones are the extreme danger. But I have to disagree w/the notion that mastectomy of healthy breast tissue isn't mutilation. It isn't simply the fact of breast removal, but the act/context.

If a lady needs her breasts removed bc of cancer (or whatever) maybe she feels mutilated, maybe not. Maybe she struggles with it, maybe not. I don't think she should feel bad but I know women often do, even if it saves their lives.

Otoh, if I was in a horrible titty-mangling industrial accident because of a lack of safety precautions, and then sued my job, it would be fair to claim that I was mutilated. And any lawyer who said "but women get their boobs cut off because cancer all the time, what's the big deal?" deserves a smack in the mouth.
I'd argue that elective breast removal done on mentally ill young women who access it VERY easily is closer to a shameful disaster than it is to cancer treatment.

Another reason it's so horrible is right in the name: "gender-affirming care." By "affirming" their participation in the process of "transition" and the "community" in such a major, visible way, a huge bridge is crossed. They've committed. They've been "affirmed" by doctors and showed it off on the internet and see it every single day. Costs have been sunk.

In closing my sperg: hormones are fucked but chopping off your tits for the gender gods =/= run of the mill mastectomy

Signed,
A stupid asshole who injected that poison years ago for a few months but rarely thinks of it now bc I didn't mutilate my tits thank God

 

[Tovarisz]

I agree that hormones are the extreme danger. But I have to disagree w/the notion that mastectomy of healthy breast tissue isn't mutilation. It isn't simply the fact of breast removal, but the act/context.

If a lady needs her breasts removed bc of cancer (or whatever) maybe she feels mutilated, maybe not. Maybe she struggles with it, maybe not. I don't think she should feel bad but I know women often do, even if it saves their lives.

Otoh, if I was in a horrible titty-mangling industrial accident because of a lack of safety precautions, and then sued my job, it would be fair to claim that I was mutilated. And any lawyer who said "but women get their boobs cut off because cancer all the time, what's the big deal?" deserves a smack in the mouth.
I'd argue that elective breast removal done on mentally ill young women who access it VERY easily is closer to a shameful disaster than it is to cancer treatment.

Another reason it's so horrible is right in the name: "gender-affirming care." By "affirming" their participation in the process of "transition" and the "community" in such a major, visible way, a huge bridge is crossed. They've committed. They've been "affirmed" by doctors and showed it off on the internet and see it every single day. Costs have been sunk.

In closing my sperg: hormones are fucked but chopping off your tits for the gender gods =/= run of the mill mastectomy

Signed,
A stupid asshole who injected that poison years ago for a few months but rarely thinks of it now bc I didn't mutilate my tits thank God

A sane society should consider surgical removal of HEALTHY tissue unnecessary in all cases. If only because it's a waste of resources, operating room time and money. It should be treated as purely cosmetic surgery with all the costs and consequences that comes with and no health insurance provider should be willing to drop a penny on that.

Going by the logic with which troons get access to surgeries we can start lobbing off hands off of people who don't want them, gouging out eyes of people who want to be blind etc. because it really is no different, all they need to do is threaten to suicide themselves in a toddleresque hissy fit if they don't get their "lifesaving surgery". Hell, women who want breast augmentation surgeries should get that funded based on that logic, just say small tits cause dysmorphia. It's a really, really retarded slippery slope and we're not even on the steep part of it yet.

That's what we get for living in society that accepts stupid premises like "If it saves one life, it's worth it"