Mega Rad Gun Thread

I didn't mean to bash them and I know you've mentioned you use your gun for duty so I think it's safe to assume, you're A: more qualified, B: more skilled than myself,

I've used their stuff and in past few months built a lower using their entry trigger (LPK with there stuff was like 109 on sale great deal imho) it's nice but I'm fine with my LaRue trigger when it comes to quality and personally my Colt trigger on my HBAR clone is a lot better than I expect.

Yeah that handguards and all I don't see what makes them over X brand esp at the price, again I'm sure made well. I respect them being local, and as said take care of employees, that's always good to see for me. I'm just too much a caveman to see how good their stuff is and I'm probably on the much higher end of cave people with ARs so when I see people who can't 4" group at 50 yards running around with 300 dollar triggers in their magpul hoody, I tend to want to reach for my flask. Again not fault of the product but really I think people over buy (in all hobbies not just shooting )

Oh dude, it's not a question of qualification or skill, its all worksmanship with their stuff. If you ever have a chance, try their SSA-E trigger and you'll see what I mean. There's nothing wrong with LaRue's stuff, they make great optics mounts especially. Part of the reason Geiselle stuff is so expensive is because people think their prices are fair for what they get. Without going into a economics argument, they wouldn't charge that if people weren't willing to pay it.

Most things come down to QA/QC and worksmanship. That's why you see so many people with Magpul accessories, they're cheap with a very basic level of QC.
 
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when fulfilling LE ammunition orders (and a lot of other experience, professionally and personally), the go-to is Gold Dots followed closely by HST designs (older variations like Hydra-Shok and Black Talon fell out of favor, but are still out there in the wild). due to a combination of reliable feeding and a combination of sufficient penetration from most duty pistols at common engagement distances. today, and in years prior, Golden Sabers were the go-to and the bonded design is still extremely desirable if you have an older S&W automatic, a revolver, or a 1911 Series 70 or older. some modernish designs still try to follow the older pattern like PDX or Ranger-T (and Ranger-T is still quite popular especially if you have a mix of pistols and SMGs and need to settle on one type of issued ammunition for budget/logistics).

while there are many others, Critical Defense being kind of niche for some off duty use, SIG's V-Crown, through partnership with Sierra, has bridged the gap where the HST doesn't work very well through doors, drywall, windows, et c due to the "flying ashtray" easily filling with debris and unlike soft debris that can still expand, hard debris like glass will simply plug the cavity and act as an FMJ. going back to the older Black Talon was seen as a step backwards, and so Federal experimented with varying the design a bunch. Sierra had offered a variation on their Sports Master bullet with an updated core and jacket design, but Federal didn't want it. SIG picked up the offer and modified it into V-Crown, and now has a reliable light barrier JHP that is good enough to compete directly against the HST and GD. about the only downside is that the V-Crown brings back the issue that Hydra-Shoks had in feeding issues in some compact handguns (rarely).


in the end, you're served by what shoots reliably and consistently in your gun and allows you to have confidence in your ability to land threat-stopping hits without second guessing. not to mention, ammo you can afford to train with regularly beats even the best ammo you only got one mag of.

if it's worth anything, i sell an order of magnitude more generic label JHP (Winchester, Remington/UMC, CBC/Magtech, PCC/PMC et c) than the duty/defense labelled stuff and haven't had any complaints and 500 of the dirty Winchester white box JHP fed and shot fine through a test SMG not even last summer. it's a bit inconsistent and not very accurate, but it also didn't have any stoppages and made basketball-sized hits reliably out to 25 meters, which is all i'm going to ask from a pistol round. of the popular defense/duty labelled stuff, it's a toss up between Speer and Federal products with Speer getting the thumb on the scale depending on the price. Winchester and Remington beat both of those out in rifle calibers by orders of magnitude.
 
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Sorry, to be clear, I was saying #1 was Speer and #2 was Hornady. My take is from what I've seen from various law enforcement. Cops seem to all want speer, and the cops I know vouche for hornady crit defense/crit duty, depending on the use. I like Federal ammo in general, I just don't see as much praise for their hollow points as compared to Speers and Hornady.
Really? I've only ever seen Speer Gold Dot's and Federal HST's universally praised, in fact I remember seeing some polling data (from Firearms instructors I believe) that showed them near unanimously carrying either Speer or Federal with a very small percentage (assuredly under 10%, most likely under 7%) that carried Hornady defensive.
 
Really? I've only ever seen Speer Gold Dot's and Federal HST's universally praised, in fact I remember seeing some polling data (from Firearms instructors I believe) that showed them near unanimously carrying either Speer or Federal with a very small percentage (assuredly under 10%, most likely under 7%) that carried Hornady defensive.
interesting, Hornady isn't getting my money regardless. Also note Hornady offers 2 options: Critical Defense and Critical Duty.

- Defense is weaker, meant for sub-compact guns as they claim "your sig p365 or hellcat can't handle FBI ballistic loads", so they are rated to kill but not rated to go thru glass and shit. This is what Garand Thumb compared to speers and HST recently which is odd.

-Duty is their version of the FBI ballistic. "rated for compacts and full size", can penetrate glass and all that other shit.

Also, Hornady is known for introducing 135 gr, which I've heard is the best of both worlds for 124 and 147 gr. It sounds nice, but I would probably stick to 124 as it is easy to find fmj in 124 to shot at the range, keeping variables to a minimum and all.
 
i take back what i said about promag, their 15 round saiga drum works without a problem where the 10 round SDS mag i have that still has the feed lips attached never fails to disappoint.
it might not help that i've only been shooting cheap slugs made in turkey but who knows
 
Geisselle triggers will change your fucking life.

Lots of people who have never used any of their products will go, "but their price isn't justifiable", and that's just it. You've never used any of it, you don't know.

I agree that their handguards are overpriced as fuck for what they are, but I've used them too and you can still make the argument that they're worth it.

I don't want to poor shame anyone, but yeah, almost $300 for a trigger is a LOT of money, especially if you don't shoot a lot. It just depends on how much you want it. I have no regrets on any of my purchases with them.
I have the Geissele SD-E in my main squeeze AR and It's honestly absurd how much of an improvement it is. Owning one turned me into a trigger snob were I get disappointed in guns that don't have good triggers.

Last year I built a new AR and test fired it with the basic milspec trigger from a LPK and I hadn't shot my AR with the geissele in a while so I got it out too. Shooting the Basic Milspec trigger and then shooting the Geissele right after put a smile on my face because I forgot how fucking good it is.
 
Geisselle triggers will change your fucking life.

Lots of people who have never used any of their products will go, "but their price isn't justifiable", and that's just it. You've never used any of it, you don't know.

I agree that their handguards are overpriced as fuck for what they are, but I've used them too and you can still make the argument that they're worth it.

I don't want to poor shame anyone, but yeah, almost $300 for a trigger is a LOT of money, especially if you don't shoot a lot. It just depends on how much you want it. I have no regrets on any of my purchases with them.
Can't speak to their high-end AR triggers (though the ALG ACT is a very nice milspec replacement), but their AK trigger is fucking money.
 
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Can't speak to their high-end AR triggers (though the ALG ACT is a very nice milspec replacement), but their AK trigger is fucking money.
I love their AK trigger but I honestly think that it's so light that it's legitimately dangerous to the I only shoot every three months crowd. It used to be one option in a sea of aftermarket AK triggers but now it's the only one people want and they don't realize how easy it is to double tap that thing.
 
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Working on a featureless AR build since I am not embracing the fixed magazine cuckshit.

The hardest part is what featureless grip to install for now as there is the Juggernaut grip or the Strike Industries megafin as I plan to run with a fixed A2 stock.
 
I love their AK trigger but I honestly think that it's so light that it's legitimately dangerous to the I only shoot every three months crowd. It used to be one option in a sea of aftermarket AK triggers but now it's the only one people want and they don't realize how easy it is to double tap that thing.
It would be my choice if I had a major hard-on for bumpfiring, for sure.
 
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Any /ak/iwis have experience with Magpul 20rd AK magazines? Hungarian tankers (Magyar-zines?) look to be the gold standard, but they are rather expensive.
 
Well I am thinking either a featureless M16A4 style build or a M4 Carbine style build.

Or just build a regular AR as a middle finger to California's political establishment.

As far as A2 stocks go, Magpul or the Colt A2? I am going cheap on it.
 
Working on a featureless AR build since I am not embracing the fixed magazine cuckshit.

The hardest part is what featureless grip to install for now as there is the Juggernaut grip or the Strike Industries megafin as I plan to run with a fixed A2 stock.
Thordsen (better IMO, also replaces stock, kinda pricey) or Sparrow.

The Juggernaut has a nice angle but I think its metal (slick grip) and theres debate whether its really CA-featureless legal.
 
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Magpul 20rd AK magazines
Magpul's AK mags have been hit or miss, honestly. if you want cheap, the AC Unity mags work great for range use, otherwise stick to surplus or something like US Palm, X Tech, or similar. there are also some nifty polymer ones out of Turkey and China that are pretty good too if you can get one.

As far as A2 stocks go, Magpul or the Colt A2? I am going cheap on it.
a surplus A2 stock is pretty cheap.


don't let the "mossberg" name dissuade you. mossberg is an OEM for many other manufacturers for injection molded parts since they bought some stuff from when Sabre Defence and Olympic Arms went defunct.
 
I think Century Arms owns US Palm now. XTech is the original company. I'd be fucking shocked if CAI is making mags as good as the original US Palm instead of just running the name into the ground.
 
I think my most-used AK mags are all either milsurp (mostly Hungarian/Romanian) or these Bulgarian polymer ones with the steel lug and lip reinforcement.

Atlantic has some Hungy tankers at the moment, but $40 a pop is pretty steep.

I like the idea of owning fancy/rare AK mags, but at the end of the day I just want something that works 100% in my rifles and if I can get that for $20 per, that's what I'm gonna do.
 
I like the idea of owning fancy/rare AK mags, but at the end of the day I just want something that works 100% in my rifles and if I can get that for $20 per, that's what I'm gonna do.
AK mag collecting is it's own pool of autism. Magazines can go for hundreds to thousands of dollars per mag if it's rare enough. This is partially the reason why bakelites, of which hundreds of millions were made, can go for $60-80 a pop despite there being many hundreds of thousands in CONUS.
 
AK mag collecting is it's own pool of autism. Magazines can go for hundreds to thousands of dollars per mag if it's rare enough. This is partially the reason why bakelites, of which hundreds of millions were made, can go for $60-80 a pop despite there being many hundreds of thousands in CONUS.
Bad enough after '08 that even basic bitch insignificant stamped examples fished out from the swamp fetched at lest $50 for the longest time, that really fucked the "collectors" market.
 
Bad enough after '08 that even basic bitch insignificant stamped examples fished out from the swamp fetched at lest $50 for the longest time, that really fucked the "collectors" market.
I think the only collectors market more shitty and vicious than the AK one is the M1 market. Fucking boomers buying 50 rifles and inflating the prices so much that no one younger can afford to get into milsurp, then they wonder why it's dying while going fuck you, got mine.
 
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