US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[AirdropShitposts]

...They can't even get a simple majority to nuke the filibuster.

You don't get to go into overtime if one team is ahead at the end of the 4th quarter. You don't get to use the tiebreaker when there is no tie.

No, see, 52-48 is letting the minority get their way and that's anti-democracy so the Vice President should just announce that she no longer recognizes the rules of the Senate and rule for the 48 to save democracy.

 

[Gehenna]

Following up all the news coverage I'm saying is looking like it was The Decision but HR just sent an email describing it as a stay while hearing arguments, so I have no fucking clue lol

It is just a stay, but it almost is the full decision and is damn near written like it. It is a very strong nudge to the lower courts "Decide one way".

That reminds me of something HK, me, and a few other people were contemplating after 2020 showed all of us exactly how their system worked, combined with @Gehenna ’s and @Jaimas ’s protestations that they’re broke and that the middle managers are in a thankless position. How much of their machine was built around not just competative races, but in keeping the seats they need to keep comfortable. That shit in New Jersey brought that back up in my head. How much of that shit with the trucker beating the incumbant was pure luck and how much of it is the background operations they’ve always relied on being completely tapped out after 2020?

I have no evidence of this, but I feel like that one was a case of "well of course this seat is safe", so people just didn't come out to vote.

He won 33,761 to 31,562. I don't know how many people were eligible to vote, but that doesn't seem like a high turnout.

off-=term elections always have low turnout and have always had better results for Republicans. That they'd do better was always expected for that election.

That they'd do as well as they -did- was an entirely different thing. The Republican massively overperformed in that, well above any expectation. It was not simply a lack of people coming out.

I would like more insight into point 5.

So the rise in the organization you have to be visible, and a kiss ass, but not be ambitus enough to be a threat to the one above you?

Would minor reforms to the organization help? such as giving middle managers more money a path way for train up subordinates?

Finally how does the GOP differ in their management/career path?

In short, no. The entire Democrat system is just... fucked. They'd need to overhaul multiple points of it, but they can't because they already damaged it too much to really attract the people they need back. Any attempts to fix it would be matter of decades. See the British labour "Wilderness years" for an example of how long that kind of stuff can take.

As to how the GOP differs. The GOP is a corporation. You get risen up by merit and are expected to sit there quietly and do your job until you are recognized. It's slower, has less fast tracks for the best, but overall is more stable. It is not without fault, but it also isn't fundamentally rotting from the inside.

 

[Salubrious]

So the rise in the organization you have to be visible, and a kiss ass, but not be ambitus enough to be a threat to the one above you?

Ironically, this is the same reason why the party of fighting racism and sexism has virtually no qualified black women to be in the top spots in congress.

You think they are going to let Stacy Abrams or Cori Bush have any more power than they have now? AOC is getting run out of the Progressive leadership by Jayapal. We all know what Kamala is.

 

[Cubanodun]

I would like more insight into point 5.

I think he is talking that the average Dem voter are slacktivists worth a damn, the Dems know this that is why they were blasting the alarms when that article blaming Bannon for the unusual interest of people in politics and the sudden influx of Trump supporters getting everywhere in the local positions making the live of dems and RINOS miserable in the process

The dems by now have a abysmal need for a win or something, ANYTHING that generate enthusiasm, they actually believed removing Orange man from the white house was a factible long term plan of government

Practically speaking last year was a disaster without any win, and this year is just beatings after beatings after beatings

 

[Oxous]

Any attempts to fix it would be matter of decades. See the British labour "Wilderness years" for an example of how long that kind of stuff can take.

The Labour party sure is something...

It would be nice if the Democratic Party could just, like, take a break from everything for a few years and decide if they want to be a batshit leftist party that loses influence or if they want to return to the Obama era.

 

[Oats12345]

The Labour party sure is something...
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It would be nice if the Democratic Party could just, like, take a break from everything for a few years and decide if they want to be a batshit leftist party that loses influence or if they want to return to the Obama era.

Can a political party take break?

 

[Gehenna]

Can a political party take break?

Effectively yes. They can run only B or C tier candidates while keeping their major players out of the game and focus on internal issues.

 

[Oxous]

Can a political party take break?

I'm choosing to define "take a break" as being forced out of Congress and the White House for 4 years. They were out in 2017-2019 and that clearly wasn't enough time, but things also weren't nearly as messy in the party back then so maybe something interesting could actually happen. We'll probably know the answer to that question in 2024.

 

[HumanHive]

Effectively yes. They can run only B or C tier candidates while keeping their major players out of the game and focus on internal issues.

This doesn't work when your "major players" are approaching their 80's.

 

[Oats12345]

This doesn't work when your "major players" are approaching their 80's.

That's on them for only hyping up AOC and the squad for the younger crowd and almost no else to replace them.

 

[Oxous]

This doesn't work when your "major players" are approaching their 80's.

The "glass half full" side of your major players being in their 80s is that, after a couple of election cycles, they won't be. But the other side of that is that the new major players will be from D+194 districts with years of experience in reading Salon and Mother Jones. This is the future they chose, remember that.

 

[Gehenna]

This doesn't work when your "major players" are approaching their 80's.

It gives you time, space, and options to build up new people to take their place. Focus them on core areas that are unlikely to break and have them get experience there. It works, you just need to determine that replacing the old guard is priority 1.

 

[MrJokerRager]

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This baboon isn't even a fucking ADOS type black lol and grew up in a upper middle class household.

I remember when she cucked Killer Mike on guns, exposed how many non woke progressives are bigger cucks than the woke progressive.

She unironically deserves her own lolcow page and it's a goddamn shame there isn't one. She is like a moonbat retarded version of Glenn Beck from the Obama era when he was on Fox News.

 

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It gives you time, space, and options to build up new people to take their place. Focus them on core areas that are unlikely to break and have them get experience there. It works, you just need to determine that replacing the old guard is priority 1.

I'd pay real money to be a fly on the wall when they try to tell Pelosi et all they need to step back to be replaced by... Well, lets be honest: AOC and the like are who the next generation of DNC leaders will be once Pelosi et all lose their grip.

 

[Oats12345]

This baboon isn't even a fucking ADOS type black lol and grew up in a upper middle class household.

I remember when she cucked Killer Mike on guns, exposed how many non woke progressives are bigger cucks than the woke progressive.

She unironically deserves her own lolcow page and it's a goddamn shame there isn't one. She is like a moonbat retarded version of Glenn Beck from the Obama era when he was on Fox News.

She literally speads Democrat version of qanon.

 

[Gehenna]

I'd pay real money to be a fly on the wall when they try to tell Pelosi et all they need to step back to be replaced by... Well, lets be honest: AOC and the like are who the next generation of DNC leaders will be once Pelosi et all lose their grip.

You don't replace them outright, rather the Old Guard picks their successors and begins training them in everything they know before retiring of their own volition. Ideally, this is done individually, but can theoretically be done as a single unified push.

Its a shift of focus from doing that passively and ruling to instead focusing on just that.

 

[Oxous]

I'd pay real money to be a fly on the wall when they try to tell Pelosi et all they need to step back to be replaced by... Well, lets be honest: AOC and the like are who the next generation of DNC leaders will be once Pelosi et all lose their grip.

Pelosi probably isn't the best example to use, she seems eager to retire this year and spend a little time living in retirement before she finally gives up the ghost. I'm sure she had a hard time convincing the cabal though, at first it seemed like she was going to retire, then there was a rumor she would stay until 2024, and now she seems ready to retire again.

 

[Meat Target]

She unironically deserves her own lolcow page and it's a goddamn shame there isn't one. She is like a moonbat retarded version of Glenn Beck fro

So does Bill Palmer. They're both Keith Olbermann-tier bonkers.

 

[Oats12345]

I'd pay real money to be a fly on the wall when they try to tell Pelosi et all they need to step back to be replaced by... Well, lets be honest: AOC and the like are who the next generation of DNC leaders will be once Pelosi et all lose their grip.

You don't replace them outright, rather the Old Guard picks their successors and begins training them in everything they know before retiring of their own volition. Ideally, this is done individually, but can theoretically be done as a single unified push.

Its a shift of focus from doing that passively and ruling to instead focusing on just that.

Well in all fairness didn't Pelosi do that and said guy got primary my AOC. Like he was a perfect contender to replace Pelosi and was in a deep blue district. The problem was the district found a even more leftie that won them over. Which ended up screwing Pelosi retirement plans

 

[Gehenna]

Pelosi probably isn't the best example to use, she seems eager to retire this year and spend a little time living in retirement before she finally gives up the ghost. I'm sure she had a hard time convincing the cabal though, at first it seemed like she was going to retire, then there was a rumor she would stay until 2024, and now she seems ready to retire again.

Pelosi desperately wants the fuck out before her entire legacy comes crashing down around her. But she owes too many people and they know too much about her and keep seeming to rope her back in longer because once she leaves the whole thing falls apart with absolutely no way to put it back together.