11/13 Paris Terror Attacks

At least 18 are dead after a series of explosions and shootings. There have been at least 4 separate, but coordinated incidents.

CNN live stream:
http://go.cnn.com/?stream=cnn

CNN also just announced that there are also 60 hostages being held in a theater.

Update: More than 128 dead. We got a new rating. Basically, everything went fucky.
 
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melty said:
I completely agree with @Cosmos on the subject of french sympathy and how and why it overshadows other attacks. I will add that I have always felt France was a great ally to the United states. When I learned a second language in school, one of two options was French, which I choose. Many Americans choose to vacation in Paris. I have never been but I have enjoyed going to Quebic. French food is very popular. It may seem trivial, but it adds up.
I know that day to day life in France is very, very similar to my own. So when I hear about a concert being bombed in France, or a restaurant, I can see myself and my boyfriend in that concert or restaurant. I can't envision myself in Kenya and know little about it. It's selfish, but it's human nature.
Additionally, I wouldn't be surprised if ISIS was purposely instigating these racial questions between countries with their acts. I think it's important to examine this, and at the same time, we need to be united more than ever.
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I forgot to mention that part, but yeah, France and the United States have a very long history together; the two countries have had diplomatic ties since 1776. Most historians agree that that US probably wouldn't have won the Revolutionary War without France's support. The US and France were also two of the first countries to embrace democracy and citizen rights. Hell, one of America's most iconic monuments, the Statue of Liberty, was actually a gift from France. I'd go so far as to say that, behind the UK, France is the country that the United States has the closest relationship with.

Someone on another website put it pretty eloquently when they said that the difference between the reactions to France and other Middle Eastern/African countries is the difference between how you would react if your brother got shot and how you would react if you read a story about a complete stranger who was shot.
 
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I agree that it's natural not to feel as strongly about something happening in Beirut or Garissa when you live in the West. After all, I doubt most people could even point them out on a map.

But it still, I think, highlights a bigger problem - that our governments are going on democracy crusades in regions they probably don't know or care about much more than we do. If you mentioned the Middle East to a politician, I'd imagine that the first things to come their mind would be terrorists and oil. Not to mention, these regions don't have the stability or infrastructure necessary to support a western-style democracy. At best, we can expect a more primitive model of democracy in these places, at least until they have time to naturally modernise and recover from decades of being wartorn wastelands.
 
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Good day to work for a weapons manufacturer though.

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Good day to work for a weapons manufacturer though.

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As usual, no matter the conflict, it's the military industrial complex who wins. I have so many things to say about the privatization of military conflict, but this is neither the time nor place so I'll leave it at "fuck them". I don't consider myself a socialist, but under no circumstances should military matters be owned by private companies who care more about the bottom line than any sort of duty or patriotism.

However, the real problem is these were home grown terrorists, this means no matter what we do in the middle east, this problem isn't going away unless France can fix their internal security issues. As I've mentioned France is already has arms smuggling problems inside its borders, and I would be frankly surprised to find out the explosives weren't locally sourced as well. While stopping radicalization is something way outside of France's hands, halting the flow of weaponry is something more manageable.

The moves into Syria by the Russians are promising at the moment, but I question if they have the wherewithal to actually attempt to fix the place once they dislodge ISIS, or if the region will again prove to be unfix able and someone else emerges after Russia and whatever western power gets involves runs out of steam. I'm not exaggerating when I saw what needs to be done is straight up building these countries from scratch at this point, infrastructure, government and all. All the liberal democratic ideas in the world won't do a fucking thing if the governemnt can't project power more than 50 miles outside it's major cities.
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-your-corporate-white-supremacy-a6736526.html

Lulu Nunn believes that posting the French flag over your picture is "deeply problematic".

" When we buy into such easy corporate public mourning, we uphold white supremacy. We’re essentially saying that white, Western lives matter more than others."

She calls it "paint-by the numbers solidarity" and this article is paint-by the numbers SJW histrionics.
 
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SlothInAMilkCrate said:
I'm curious: What do you guys think of the fact that some people are saying that it's wrong that we mourn the dead in France, but we did not show this kind of support for the people in Syria, Lebanon, Kenya, or Palestine?
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Uhh, Syria's in news like every day, when Assad started killing civilians in the peaceful protests(that later turned violent) it was largely protested in the West, with Western countries sending aid for the syrian rebels and people affected in the region. There are a lot of non-insignificant peace movements that protest against Israel's actions against Palestinians and in terms of Libya, France helped Libyans overthrow their government, and that action had a lot of popular support.

I do think that it's absolutely worth caring about stuff that happens in other parts of the world, like the struggles of the Shia minorities in the Middle East,the Earthquakes in Haiti/Pakistan, the bombings in Turkey, attacks in Nigeria etc. but kicking up a storm in a teacup because they happened to allow to change your profile to a French flag seems to be mostly incredibly petty and edgy contrarianism and Facebook doesn't need to cater to the entire world's whims if they so choose to. The argument that "hey, other tragic events are worth caring about too" is solid, but if you can't communicate that without guilt-tripping people for caring about this particular event then I don't see why other people should take it into consideration at all. Show support or not, but if you parade around drawing attention how much of a speshul snowflake :tumblr: you are or not caring, you're pretty much the same as ADF/Chris commenting on world news in my opinion.
 
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Enclave Supremacy said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-your-corporate-white-supremacy-a6736526.html

Lulu Nunn believes that posting the French flag over your picture is "deeply problematic".

" When we buy into such easy corporate public mourning, we uphold white supremacy. We’re essentially saying that white, Western lives matter more than others."

She calls it "paint-by the numbers solidarity" and this article is paint-by the numbers SJW histrionics.
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People need to stop taking Facebook so fucking seriously. Every time Facebook does something there's a tsunami of articles commentating on what a HUGE FUCKING DEAL it is that you can superimpose a rainbow on your avatar or how you can pick your gender. It's not limited to a group, everyone's guilty of doing it at least once. It's just ridiculous.
 
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Strelok said:
While stopping radicalization is something way outside of France's hands, halting the flow of weaponry is something more manageable.
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Do you have any sources or details for what you're saying about the flow of weapons into France? I knew that arms manufacturers are growing fat off the current instability in the region, but as far as I knew it was all headed into Syria or past the Libyan blockade.
 
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Do you have any sources or details for what you're saying about the flow of weapons into France? I knew that arms manufacturers are growing fat off the current instability in the region, but as far as I knew it was all headed into Syria or past the Libyan blockade.
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I don't have the sources on me immediately, this is mostly stuff I remember from a year or two back, but most of the post Paris media is commenting on it again.

Some examples of post paris media on it

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/15/paris-attacks-highlight-frances-gun-control-problems
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/13/this-is-how-ak-47s-get-to-paris.html

it's mostly eastern european and balkan weapons finding their way into the EU over land routes. Most is stolen ex soviet surplus.
 
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Turning Dabiq into something like this with a nuclear bomb detonated near ground level in addition to fallout would make it impossible to fight in
That being said it will not affect the beliefs of fighters since humans do not rationally look at evidence and change out beliefs accordingly
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Bombing the everloving shit out of it is kind of a tempting thought, but ultimately, they'd find some way to cop out and claim the destruction would somehow fit into their stupid little prophecy.
Now, if I was to suggest a different option, just use this baby here and drop 74 tons of pig shit on the whole damn city. Let's see how the IS will enjoy their final showdown when they're standing ankle-deep in filth.
 
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Red_Rager said:
Anonymous has declared a crusade against these fuckers for their attack on France

http://thehackernews.com/2015/11/parisattacks-anonymous-isis.html

I don't speak French so I don't know what he is saying.

Supposedly, ISIS used a ps4 to plan their attacks
http://www.express.co.uk/life-style...Terrorist-Attack-Paris-Sony-Playstation-4-PSN
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Anonymous can be really dumb (and to be fair, it's not like they're an actual organization or anything), but I sincerely hope they manage to dig up something that will really help take down ISIS.

EDIT: I totally deserve all the Optimistic votes, I know.
 
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Stud2Stud said:
Bombing the everloving shit out of it is kind of a tempting thought, but ultimately, they'd find some way to cop out and claim the destruction would somehow fit into their stupid little prophecy.
Now, if I was to suggest a different option, just use this baby here and drop 74 tons of pig shit on the whole damn city. Let's see how the IS will enjoy their final showdown when they're standing ankle-deep in filth.
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Y'know, for me, it's gotten to the point where that's sounding like a really solid idea. It's a great option for dealing with people who aren't afraid of death. It's humiliating and non-lethal.

My only concern is that it might violate some treaty about biological weapons.

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If I may borrow the expression:
"Get fucked, IS."
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Marvin said:
Y'know, for me, it's gotten to the point where that's sounding like a really solid idea. It's a great option for dealing with people who aren't afraid of death. It's humiliating and non-lethal.

My only concern is that it might violate some treaty about biological weapons.
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It probably would, and I'm certain it's kill at least a few hundred people anyway.
 
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