Grand Jury speculation thread

[kendraObscura]

could income tax fruad , they went throu

The judge should punish Chris by breaking all his fucking toys

barb already has broken ribs currently

 

[Brother Wind]

The judge should punish Chris by breaking all his fucking toys

God, who would you hire to touch them?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Personally I'd just like to see him get told he's not autistic he's really X, and then get shuffled off into a group home and kept away from the internet but that's not likely to happen, and he's not going to the funny farm for reasons others have said far better than I, the thing is Chris wont learn from this as the punishment is to far removed from his bad act for it to have any effect, from reading his letters he views his current situation as through trolls failing Devine tests not sticking his dick in barb and taking money from her, thats now cemented in his mind and that's what it will always be even if he's found guilty of incest in his mind it will be what he's really been to jail for.

It would be wrong to tell Chris he's not autistic, since he so obviously is. He has to come to terms with his other conditions too though.

Maybe they had to go through all of Chris 's media stuff to make sure he never made Barb porn...that is a possibility and would mean anything with a hard drive gets taken as evidence

Barb porn wouldn't be illegal though, unless you prosecuted it under the most vague of obscenity statutes. Especially since, if it does exist, it was not disseminated.

Am I misremembering that any time served pre-trial counts as 2x time or at least 1.5x? Would it be a legitimate strategy by Heilberg to keep getting continuances (and in reality he probably has decent grounds to do so) so that Chris spends as little time in prison as possible?

Don't know where you got that idea. One day pre-conviction counts as one day post-conviction.

There can be a slight advantage in that they'll sometimes round up time served a little bit by suspending the rest of the sentence if you're close to a nice round number. For instance if you've been in jail 11 months and you get a one year sentence, they'll sometimes say "close enough" and suspend the rest.

On the other hand, you don't get out on good behavior when held in remand. So if all your time was done with time-served it might potentially be more time that you would have spent if you'd received the same sentence ahead of time. For instance say you've been in jail for six months and you receive a six month sentence. You are immediately released and your good conduct credit is wasted. If instead you'd been convicted first, you'd only spend 4 months in jail because you'd earn 2 months of good conduct credit in jail. This situation is pretty rare though.

I don't know if Virginia counts good conduct credit for time held in remand, but most states do I believe. If this is the case then when Chris is sentenced he can probably apply the good conduct credit along with the time served. This may also be what you're thinking of. This would still be no different than regular time plus good conduct credit earned post-conviction.

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

God, who would you hire to touch them?

About time that Greene County Hazmat team earned their pay.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Was there any reason to suspect he fucked his mom at this time last year? I don't think there is anything too absurd to speculate at this point.

Yes he’s disgusting, but I really don’t think that he’s a full blown pedophile, with the incest leak,there was at least a logical buildup over the years and clues that Chris was being too handsy and uncomfortably close to her. There doesn’t seem to be any clear evidence over the years of Chris showing explicit sexual interest in minors. I’m not saying he hasnt probably once considered being attracted to teenage girls considering his sexual deviancy and history of drawing underage porn in his comics. But this all seems more of his childish mindset than any real pedo degeneracy. I think him being a nonce is a bit of a stretch, even for Chris.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

This seems to be the norm with weirdo autistic trans women, they can't actually relate to anyone irl so these cartoons become their reality and anime girls their perfect ideal, even if they're as far from it as it gets. Honestly, I'm terrified for Christory going further, because I don't think Chris becoming a kiddy diddler is too far out of the realm of possibility.

I think it's more these people, like Chris, believe their high school days were the best they ever had, and as they age, get fatter, get older, they still look at the halcyon days of high school as their peak. "If I had known what I know now" is a common fallacy to the modern tranny.

 

[FinnSven]

This seems to be the norm with weirdo autistic trans women, they can't actually relate to anyone irl so these cartoons become their reality and anime girls their perfect ideal, even if they're as far from it as it gets. Honestly, I'm terrified for Christory going further, because I don't think Chris becoming a kiddy diddler is too far out of the realm of possibility.

This;

Yes he’s disgusting, but I really don’t think that he’s a full blown pedophile, with the incest leak,there was at least a logical buildup over the years and clues that Chris was being too handsy and uncomfortably close to her. There doesn’t seem to be any clear evidence over the years of Chris showing explicit sexual interest in minors. I’m not saying he hasnt probably once considered being attracted to teenage girls considering his sexual deviancy and history of drawing underage porn in his comics. But this all seems more of his childish mindset than any real pedo degeneracy. I think him being a nonce is a bit of a stretch, even for Chris.

Plus, as I point out elsewhere, how is he even going to get near to any kids to diddle?

No one is going to let him near a child, he is never going to have any of his own, he will never qualify to adopt or foster, so there is no realistic possibility, short of him actually kidnapping or luring a child with candy.

Kidnapping would require some serious planning which is out of his thought processes, and he would probably eat any candy himself before the child got their sticky little paws on it.

Even if he lured or kidnapped a child successfully, he would soon find himself in jail again, and that would be the end for sure. There is no way he would manage to keep a struggling child quiet and not alert passers by.

 

[StarDreamer2002]

Again, a continuance. As expected. Now my guess is he's gonna spend a few months more in custody until he gets a low sentence since they can't prove rape. With all the time spend in custody, his sentence will be considered over the day he gets convicted. Fool's luck.

 

[Ms. 45]

Plenty of sex offenders are opportunistic. They might not necessarily be into kids per se, but if that's all they have access to and they think they could get away with it, they'll go for it.

It's hard to imagine a sexual act more depraved than raping your extremely elderly mother. It's totally plausible Chris would "soul bond" with a special needs girl if that's all he could get access to.

You've hit the nail on the head — at least when talking of "normal" child molestation. Most molestation isn't committed by people who jerk off over CP; it's committed by drunken family members or babysitters who are simply super-horny, and see the kid as a "target of opportunity." In a sober state, their preference might be an adult who appeals to them; but if that adult isn't available, or isn't interested in them, the offender will fuck a knothole in a tree. Such, at least, is what the "experts" say. But Chris is unlikely to find himself in that situation; I don't think his primal sex drive is what motivates him.

What would be super dangerous would be if Chris were in a place, such as a group home, where he had access to children or adolescents who were genuinely handicapped (not "autistic"), such as Down's Syndrome kids. These kids tend to be very touchy-feely, and very affectionate in the best, most innocent way; they're sitting ducks. Also, they'd be very easy for Chris to "con:" a normal child would probably find Chris too creepy and weird for any friendship, let alone intimacy. Younger Chris might have played card games with kids at the Game Stop or whatever, but those kids were interested in the game, not Chris.

In any case, thank God, I don't think Chris is gonna be in a position where he's a threat to kids.

 

[AlphariusOmegon]

The continuances could be one of two things:
1. The prosecution is, in fact, trying to bring forth rape charges considering Chris basically admitting to it in his jail letters and showing no remorse whatsoever.

2. The defense is freaking the fuck out and is trying to put together some form of defense but failing miserably, so they're stalling for time before they can glue house of cards together and pray it doesn't fall over when a brick is thrown at it.

Or it could be both. Who knows.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

In these discussions of Chris’s danger to others, Barb’s own actions are worth considering. She encouraged inappropriately close contact for years which likely lowered the “distance” from the status quo to sex in Chris’s mind. That doesn’t change anything legally if Barb said no, but we’re speculating about future actions, not assigning punishment for past ones.

What this means to my personal opinion is that Chris would need to be in close contact for an extended period of time with a vulnerable person to reoffend. I think he’s too cowardly to assault someone without grooming them

 

[FinnSven]

The continuances could be one of two things:
1. The prosecution is, in fact, trying to bring forth rape charges considering Chris basically admitting to it in his jail letters and showing no remorse whatsoever.

2. The defense is freaking the fuck out and is trying to put together some form of defense but failing miserably, so they're stalling for time before they can glue house of cards together and pray it doesn't fall over when a brick is thrown at it.

Or it could be both. Who knows.

Doesn’t a defense attorney try to mitigate and get the best or lightest sentence possible when the defendant is basically bang to rights?

It’s not always a case of Saul Goodman-ing the criminals to freedom with technicalities and mistrials. It’s someone understanding the legal system to the best possible extent to ensure rights are protected. (Yes I know that is usually not the case but in theory I mean.)

In these discussions of Chris’s danger to others, Barb’s own actions are worth considering. She encouraged inappropriately close contact for years which likely lowered the “distance” from the status quo to sex in Chris’s mind. That doesn’t change anything legally if Barb said no, but we’re speculating about future actions, not assigning punishment for past ones.

What this means to my personal opinion is that Chris would need to be in close contact for an extended period of time with a vulnerable person to reoffend. I think he’s too cowardly to assault someone without grooming them

Yes. That is quite clear.

He has been a self confessed virgin with rage for two decades.

He was clearly well known locally and certainly regional police would have known who he is.

If he tried to be forceful with a woman on the street, at his college, in the mall, the jail saga would have happened years ago.

 

[A Grey Cat]

This seems to be the norm with weirdo autistic trans women, they can't actually relate to anyone irl so these cartoons become their reality and anime girls their perfect ideal, even if they're as far from it as it gets. Honestly, I'm terrified for Christory going further, because I don't think Chris becoming a kiddy diddler is too far out of the realm of possibility.

Agreed just go check out Kevin (and by extension wedgie boy's) thread or really and trooncow. We have tweets of them going "uwu lookie at this cute skirt and blouse wouldn't I just look so kawaii in it?'' and basically squeeing over squeezing their sausage casing legs into tights and guts into teeny tops that do not fit at all. Coupled with an obseeion with both western animation and anime that involves cute girl main characters it's not just that these "men" believe them selves to be women they believe themselves to be young teenaged girls despite pushing 30 or in Chris's case 40.

 

[FinnSven]

Agreed just go check out Kevin (and by extension wedgie boy's) thread or really and trooncow. We have tweets of them going "uwu lookie at this cute skirt and blouse wouldn't I just look so kawaii in it?'' and basically squeeing over squeezing their sausage casing legs into tights and guts into teeny tops that do not fit at all. Coupled with an obseeion with both western animation and anime that involves cute girl main characters it's not just that these "men" believe them selves to be women they believe themselves to be young teenaged girls despite pushing 30 or in Chris's case 40.

You could give them the benefit of the doubt?

Maybe instead of teenage girls they actually identify as being embarrassing mutton dressed as lamb or old tramps and lushes?

I have met a few old slappers who could easily pass for past it drag queens.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I can't believe after finding out that Chris violated the sacred boundaries of never playing croquet with your own parents junk that we're still debating whether or not Chris is capable of creeping on children. Chris is capable of anything except finding a mate or normal human intellect.

 

[FinnSven]

I can't believe after finding out that Chris violated the sacred boundaries of never playing croquet with your own parents junk that we're still debating whether or not Chris is capable of creeping on children. Chris is capable of anything except finding a mate or normal human intellect.

The debate went from whether the continuance of his trial is related to a speculative possibility of CP found on his computer, to whether he would get up to a bit of noncing.

The overall verdict I feel is that yes he would take advantage of a vulnerable person for sexual gratification, however he has not so far expressly demonstrated a preference or inarguable sexual fantasy for children.

Also, even if he did, he would not get the chance to carry it out. He is physically incapable, mentally lacks the guile or cunning, and crucially he sticks out like a massive cartoonish lunatic.

Anyone with children who does not know him would keep their children far from him.
Anyone with children who knows him would keep their children even further away!

 

[King Kiwi]

I can't believe after finding out that Chris violated the sacred boundaries of never playing croquet with your own parents junk that we're still debating whether or not Chris is capable of creeping on children. Chris is capable of anything except finding a mate or normal human intellect.

...

Chris really wanted to have Crystal didn't he?

 

[Hogar Grupal]

He has to come to terms with his other conditions too though.

Chris will never admit he has a severe sex addiction, among his other impulses.

 

[Interchanger]

The continuances could be one of two things:
1. The prosecution is, in fact, trying to bring forth rape charges considering Chris basically admitting to it in his jail letters and showing no remorse whatsoever.

2. The defense is freaking the fuck out and is trying to put together some form of defense but failing miserably, so they're stalling for time before they can glue house of cards together and pray it doesn't fall over when a brick is thrown at it.

Or it could be both. Who knows.

I think its likely both. If the prosecution where attempting to bring up rape charges, the defence would catch wind and be more more willing to push the current charges to trail - better fighting the 'incest' charges over 'rape' charges. Likewise if the defence was fucking up coming up with a genuine solid defence, why is the prosecution toying with them like a cat and a ball of string.

It make more sense if you, the prosecution, were in a position to snatch an easy win from a un-defendable position to get on with trail and do it. They've had six months to come up with a defence, they've had six months to prove if it was rape of incest, however if both the prosecution and defence want more time before trail (to get solid evidence for rape or make a better defence) that would explain the continuances.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

Chris will never admit he has a severe sex addiction, among his other impulses.

Nha he would because he would think that means he gets a lot of China and thus has prowess with it, he wouldn't realise it's a negative leading to more and more degeneracy.