Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[A Cardboard Box]

nigger if they lose this war their nation dies, probably forever. do you unironically think anybody gives a fuck about what the cock sucking ~international community~ thinks about anything when things are this serious?

That's pretty hyperbolic. It's the beginning of the end. We're pretty much right on track for what I and everyone else with an idea of real force matchups have predicted: 72 hours of organized resistance from launch.

Russia doesn't have the soldiers or resources to dig in and occupy the country, and doing so would be very unpopular as US backed guerillas trained in Poland and Romania would send a few Russians home in body bags every week. Russia wants a castrated Ukraine, and when they dispatch the organized resistance they will do a GWB impression with a mission accomplished ceremony and then fuck off, awarding everything east of the Dneiper to their puppets in the Donbass. This is not the battle for the forever fate of Ukraine, this is the castration of a potential enemy next door. Not that I agree with it, mind you, I would love to see the hohols and slavs dig in and fight a forever war, it would be incredibly funny, but it's not going to happen.

 

[SCSI]

Poor lads, this is so heartbreaking. I hope this is over soon for both sides.

Yeah, I hit that one checking up on that Telegram channel and just kinda stopped for a few minutes, and the only thought I could really articulate out of it all was "this war is fucked up bullshit". I wish I could understand what the lady was saying better to clear up the confusion on exactly what happened, since the text in the post is so spotty, but whether it was two soldiers who stopped fighting each other to try to protect the lady and her mom, or two Russian soldiers who set aside the war for the second to try to save their lives, it's still sad. And I kinda feel like an asshole for even saying that, because words don't even come close to doing the job adequately for situations like this.

 

[MugolEx]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

I'm so fucking tired of it, people today are so soft, a minor walkover war halfway across the world and they act like nukes are going to start flying any minute. Imagine if these people had to live through the outbreak of either World Wars on either side, they would have blown their brains out.

It's not their fault. People in the 1940's didn't have omnipresent 24/7 "news" coming at them from every direction, from every device, promoted thru algorithmically tuned business models desperate for clicks, likes and views. They had one radio the whole family listened to, and a daily newspaper.

Overstimulation is a real thing and our Pleistocene brains were never meant to be bombarded with constant fear and/or dopamine. They were meant to solve real world physical problems, such as hunting mammoths and not being eaten by large cats.

 

[Vindeo]

President Zelensky is now with the Ukrainian Army in Kiev.

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give this nigga a rifle.

 

[Defensive Ella Purnell]

Some video footage of a Ukrainian MiG-29 shooting down a Russian SU-35

Spoiler

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Don't wanna burst the bubble but that's footage from DCS World.

GHOST OF KIEV KILL | Intense dogfight between the Ghost of Kiev (MiG29) and a Russian Su27.

#shorts #ukraine This footage is from DCS, but is nevertheless made out of respect for “The Ghost of Kiev.” If he is real, may God be with him; if he is fake...

m.youtube.com

 

[tyko]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
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Two more sanctions, trust the plan.

 

[Granate37]

...Russia doesn't have the soldiers or resources to dig in and occupy the country, ...

They do and they will. This is the end of the beginning.

 

[Richardface]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
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Why are you laughing? The europeans are doing it urgently

 

[A Cardboard Box]

Two more sanctions, trust the plan.

The white hats are in control. They have already built secret banks and flown in trillions of dollars in shrink wrapped dollars. Russia will be fine. Trust the plan.

 

[Montalbane]

All of this just shows that western democracies are fucking weak and ripe for the taking in the long run.

Globohomeo has run its course and all the economists and assorted retards who sais war is unthinkable in 2015+7 just look even more retarded.

I pray that the blodshed stops soon but the U.S. and the E.U. are at fault for allowing it to happen.

 

[Stop]

Why are you laughing? The europeans are doing it urgently

Urgently shitting themselves.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

They do and they will. This is the end of the beginning.

No. They really don't. Russia isn't the Soviet Union. They don't have the ability to print cash to sustain a forever war and they don't have a bottomless pit of manpower to pull from.

 

[Emperor Pupienus]

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they're sending in the big guns now

LOL what the fuck are the Russians playing at with that?

sounds like a larper making up fake news for shits and giggles

No sources on this one yet

"Local anti fascist security forces"
lol
Sounds like someone's daydreaming

To be a little more specific about my motivations for posting:
That telegram page is basically Russian propaganda. You need to look at it as one might look at RT, except maybe even more partisan. I have my suspicions that it may actually be controlled by the Russian state. Even if they're not actually state-affiliated, just in terms of partisanship, you can see they added a "Z" to their name like the Russians are painting on their vehicles. What I primarily found interesting about the stories I posted is not the stories per se, but as examples of the kind of propaganda the Russians are currently pushing, plus "what did they mean by this," etc.

I think the stuff about antifa terror cells is basically completely made up, or at least significantly stretching the truth. Maybe they brought some auxiliaries from Donetsk/Lugansk, and they're trying to describe them as homegrown antifascist operatives or whatever. It seems like BS to placate the Russian public; they're experiencing mass anti-war protests at home in Russia, so the antifa stuff (knowing what they mean by antifascism as an ex-Soviet state, not the same as Western antifa) advances the casus belli that THESE ARE EVIL NAZIS AND WE HAD TO INTERVENE.

Whereas the Chechnya/Kadyrov stuff seems to me to be directed at the Ukrainians. It reminds me of how the savage North American Indians had generated such a dreadful reputation as warriors that all the European troops were afraid of them, and European armies in North America could scare off enemy forces just by bringing the Indian auxiliaries along. They were known for stuff like torturing prisoners to death and ritual cannibalism, among other things. Notably, there was an incident where the French got their Indian auxiliaries to march in circles, hooting and hollering, around a fort that they were besieging, in what is now Michigan. Despite French&Indian numerical inferiority, it was so scary to the occupants of the fort that they struck a deal to march out of the fort, disarmed but in good order. I think the threat, not only of using Chechens, but having the Kadyrov run the show, is supposed to be scary and demoralizing to both the people of Kiev, as well as the military/militia forces tasked with defending it.

 

[Fist of Fury]

Puppet or taken over, The border states are going to question their loyalty to NATO. HOw can you trust governments who don't even want to stop trading with a country violating another countries borders?

Ukraine isn't in NATO, which is the main reason for the timing of this war. Russia does not want Ukraine joining NATO, and NATO does not want a fucking world war with Russia and their thousands of nukes. If Ukraine's autonomy is the price the world pays for keeping Russia on a leash, it's a relatively small one.

The reason NATO isn't intervening is to avert a world war. It's not about moral posturing or losing/saving face in the eyes of the international community. It's about avoiding millions of deaths in the simplest way possible. Putin could not be a crazy asshole, or Ukraine could capitulate, but given neither of those things happening this is the only prudent course of action for NATO.

God forbid we empower NATO as the international global police to intervene in every future military conflict because a plucky underdog nation gets fucked over.

Ukraine knows this. Every member of NATO knows this. Russia knows this. That's why everything is going down the way that it is. There are ways to punish Russia without dragging the world into a costly war. There is no magical solution where the good guys march in and teach Russia a lesson and everyone claps.

 

[Granate37]

10€/L Diesel prices incoming.

 

[Toothpaste]

Mykolaivka is now confirmed to be in the hands of the Donetsk People's Republic. This means that Donetsk has practically reached its territorial claims to the north of them.

Russian war correspondent on-site to interview the "liberated" inhabitants.

⚡️ЭКСКЛЮЗИВ⚡️Николаевка после освобождения от ВСУ⚡️

наш проект существует исключительно на средства подписчиков, карта для помощи:4584432812339266https://zen.yandex.ru/media/wargonzoya/nikolaevka-posle-osvoboj...

www.youtube.com

 

[Drain Todger]

Miraculously almost all of the "The Ukrainians are making Russia pay for every inch with blood it can ill afford! They can still do this!!! Ukie Sanders can still win!!!!" posts have fallen off once the Americans went to bed.
We're about 30 hours into this and the Russians have made multiple advances against a dug-in and alert defender. It's hard to tell from what we have access to, but it sure seems like resistance is being done in small pockets as opposed to a grand defense. I suspect that some of those beginning targeted strikes that grounded most of the the air force and totally sunk the remains of the navy and blew up a whole bunch of logistics points that will be sorely missed in the next few days also took out enough of the higher brass to make a dent.
The Russians are taking loses but the people on twitter who react to a burning tank like it means something in the grand scheme of things need to lay off the cope. This isn't a "police action, " or a "peacekeeping mission," or a "targeted intervention."

The Russian assault is spread out over a very large area along Ukraine's border. Essentially, encirclement of the entire country aside from the border with Poland. Some areas where Russia crossed the border are closer to major cities and strategic sites than others, like Belarus > Chernobyl > Kiev. As soon as you pass the old power plant, you're a mere 100 km north of the capital. They're moving inland very, very quickly. This creates a risk that some units may be cut off from support. If Ukraine were smart, they wouldn't just dig into stationary defenses, but actually try and find, encircle, and destroy any overextended Russian units. However, Ukraine isn't going to do that. They're going to wait for Russia to come to them, and it's going to be brutal. I mean, it's already too late to speculate about this. It's happening right now.

This is a full on "give us your shit, and also please die" war. Lots of people die. Lots of shit gets blown up. The world continues spinning on its axis.

Kiev is in a tough spot and was always going to be a nightmare to defend. Its fall won't signal the end of Ukrainian resistance, but it will provide a very clean point for the people who like the status-quo and want this off TV to go "well, sucks about Russian Man getting control of Ukrainistan or whatever it was called, it's important that at times like this we remember our core values and stay strong with our partners in the region. Know what would make you feel better? How about a new Toyota?"

Full-on taking of clay, like in the old days. You know, it's kind of weird how few border changes the 20th and 21st centuries have had, like most countries just collectively decided "let's keep every border completely fixed and strongly chastise anyone who tries to annex anyone else". How, exactly, did that become a norm and why?

The Twilight of Annexation

by DAVIS LARKIN, ’19 For the most part, the history of the world is a history of states struggling against each other. From the Punic Wars to the partitions of Poland to WWII, this struggle h…

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For the most part, the history of the world is a history of states struggling against each other. From the Punic Wars to the partitions of Poland to WWII, this struggle has usually manifested as states seeking to annex territories from each other. Historically, annexation is a virtual constant — it was the basic currency of war and politics. This is why it is particularly strange that the Russian annexation of Crimea was such a shocking, norm-violating event; since when did annexation become unexpected?

Indeed, this presents us with a very substantial modern historical oddity: Very few states still try to directly annex territory. Many have argued that synthetic changes imposed on the anarchic international order have, for now, blunted the basic annexationist nature of states. Some have argued that America’s current global hegemony holds together a fragile international peace; others have argued that pacts like Kellogg-Briand or institutions like the UN check rampant expansionism. More contend that annexation has dropped off as a result of pure, hard-nosed power balancing.

Yet few have stopped to ask if there is anything internal to the recent precipitous decrease in annexation. Most assume that states have roughly the same broad interests that they did centuries ago: that they seek to survive, and that territorial expansion is a means of ensuring survival. External forces like hegemony, power balancing, treaties, or institutions provide an alternative survival method. I contend that these are not likely the primary reason that annexation has virtually vanished from the world stage. Annexation’s twilight is internal to states’ survival incentives, not external.

 

[Johnny Salami]

That thread is a joke and you fell for it. That said, it's a bad joke and the guy deserves to have mildly unpleasant things happen to him for it.

I figured so but that bugmen mentality is nothing new. I hate the MCU so much it's unreal

People like Daniel Goldman don't care if a million Ukrainian and Russian children are blown to smithereens today. It's all about bullshit Red Team vs Blue Team politics to them. He's ridin' Biden because that's his team. If it was Orange Man in this exact situation that tweet would've been how the world is ending. I'm not saying this as an endorsement of either one, it's just how it is.

If the Ukraine is taken over or puppeted then NATO has proven to be useless. How long before governments on the outskirts begin resolutions to leave knowing that NATO is all talk?

Puppet or taken over, The border states are going to question their loyalty to NATO. HOw can you trust governments who don't even want to stop trading with a country violating another countries borders?

Nato has been worthless. Shame this isn't happening in 2024 as Trump can say he was right and Americans will not remember this by next year

President Zelensky is now with the Ukrainian Army in Kiev.

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Oy vey nice photo-op. Now have him lead the charge then it'll be impressed

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
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Not the sanctionrinos

All of this just shows that western democracies are fucking weak and ripe for the taking in the long run.

Globohomeo has run its course and all the economists and assorted retards who sais war is unthinkable in 2015+7 just look even more retarded.

I pray that the blodshed stops soon but the U.S. and the E.U. are at fault for allowing it to happen.

 

[A Cardboard Box]

All of this just shows that western democracies are fucking weak and ripe for the taking in the long run.

Globohomeo has run its course and all the economists and assorted retards who sais war is unthinkable in 2015+7 just look even more retarded.

I pray that the blodshed stops soon but the U.S. and the E.U. are at fault for allowing it to happen.

I mean, the other option was to mobilize reserves and start a draft to go fight Russians in Ukraine. Nobody seriously considered that. The US doesn't have the troops to just shit out a 200,000 strong combat force in Europe. Germany should be doing the heavy lifting but they sold their tanks to pay for rapefugee gibs. There's two sanctions that would actually work: ending Nordstream and kicking Russia off of SWIFT. Those together would crater the Russian economy. It wouldn't stop the war, it wouldn't prevent what's coming, but it would seriously damage the Russian economy for years. Coward Europeans don't even want to do that.