Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Psychotron]

iirc basically all Germ Warfare labs are clearly labeled "Germ Warfare Defense" on the neon sign out front, because you then "Defense" by making new Germ Warfare to Defense against and say you're acting on intelligence about the enemy's dastardly plans

It's where they grow the George Floyd humuculi

 

[Big Nasty]

If you really want to look at something interesting, look at the time scales.

Beirut barracks bombing.
82nd and 101st get put on alert, start making plans for a counter strike. 75 starts training up for a counter strike. The plans are all the way down to Battalion and Company level for operational orders.
SUDDENLY
Grab maps of Grenada at the travel agent. No time for NSA or CIA sats!
EVERYONE JUMP ON THE PLANES RIGHT FUCKING NOW!
GO GO GO GO!

One of the initial landings was made by a team of 4-6 (records differ) combat engineers, only 2 with Airborne qualifications, that landed and moved a bunch of bulldozers and shit so the rest could land. (I read his bit in the Army Times) One got a BS-V and a Purple Heart out of it.

Everyone scrambles, but boy are there some interesting targets.

The university, that's an interesting one. They hauled out more than students.

Dust settles, actual mission objectives are slapped with NATIONAL SECURITY with some pretty high up keywords.

It's had rumors for a long time it was more than just "SURPRISE COMMIES!"

That timetable and a couple of the first wave units were pretty fucking suspicious.

But, hey, it was the Cold War. Records are spotty at best and everyone was drunk and stupid.

What you're implying is that something could have gone VERY hot if they didn't get boots on the ground there.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

So why did they annex Crimea and push into the dong-bass last decade? Was that about biolabs too?

Okay, here's Russian foreign policy 101. For centuries Russia's number one foreign policy priority is a warm water, thus ice free all year round, port. Russia grabbed Crimea, which was not really thrilled to be part of Ukraine in the first place, because the idiot Ukrainians started making noises about not renewing the Russian's lease on the naval base in Sevastopol. Playing games with that was terminal stupidity on the Ukrainians part and the reason Obama backed the fuck down on that one is probably that both the Russians and the brainlets in the State Department told him, in no uncertain terms, that it was something the Russians would fight over.

Crimea is not, historically, part of Ukraine anyways, it's a pretty direct line from Greeks, to Romans, to Byzantines, to various steppe tribes, to the moslems, to Russia.

 

[draggs]

Not sure the "our women are really sad because their men are going out to die" is really the vibe you want from your propaganda

Not if you put that spin on it

"Our brave faithful women love their patriotic men so much they can't bear them leaving but know they have to and this makes our men fight even harder to defend such wonderful women" is the spin a government will put on it

 

[peach tea]

Honestly if Russia took an L I don't see Putin reacting irrationally and escalating things. I see him scaling back temporarily, regrouping, making sure everyone understands the assignment and then jumping back in.

The best way to tell how things are going is from the individual posts made from soldiers on each side. The gift of social media is that people are eager to overshare even if they're risking national security to do so. This has been pretty commonplace for most conflicts and natural disasters in the last decade. Social media has given the ordinary citizen the ability to make their voice known and that's why wars begin to get complicated.

This is why China is always bent outta shape about their people on social media. Weibo and Douyin/Tiktok are basically considered news sources to the populace.

Tiktok streams and the Snapchat heat map have by far been the most consistent sources I’ve found so far. No news bias and I don’t have to worry about Twitter speds reposting footage from conflicts in unrelated countries that happened 10 years ago. Most of what I see in the snaps and streams is just first person video footage with zero narration, which is the best way to see what’s going on in my opinion.

I originally started by watching a few lives on YouTube when shit kicked off and quickly realized that the hosts were incapable of sourcing what they were looking at in real time. I saw too many trolls posting fake articles and the commentary they were providing was generally insufferable.

Seeing it as it happens through the camera lens of someone who is living through it is very unique to this situation as well. This whole conflict, war, whatever you want to call it, will probably be the first to be experienced this way. We no longer have to rely on corporate news shills or propaganda. There will be plenty of people who still choose to consume their information that way, but the point is that now it’s optional.

 

[Terra Pax]

iirc basically all Germ Warfare labs are clearly labeled "Germ Warfare Defense" on the neon sign out front, because you then "Defense" by making new Germ Warfare to Defense against and say you're acting on intelligence about the enemy's dastardly plans

Yeah they do. Same reason why everyone rebranded their Department's of War to Defence. Still goes, US has it's own germ-warfare labs nice and safe on it's home soil in giant facilties, not jerry-built outfits in the middle of Ukraine next to Russia. The operations in Ukraine were probably there to spy on the Russians or develop stuff against Russian chemical agents.

I also just love watching this guy call everyone faggots and telling them to kill themselves every other post.

 

[OJ Simpson]

Gotta love how people are treating real life like a game of Civilization. Just because Russia didn't achieve a domination victory by turn 23 doesn't mean they've completely and utterly failed and aren't going to take what they want in the end. Nuance is just dead in the 21st century. Everything is black and white.

 

[The Best Pet Reptile?]

Not sure the "our women are really sad because their men are going out to die" is really the vibe you want from your propaganda

These kinds of videos are aimed at the West, not the Ukrainian population.

 

[Richardface]

Partisans usually don't get organized until after the regular army is defeated, ex-soldiers have formed at least part of the founding core of most modern insurgencies. Civilians usually don't know how to fight against soldiers in any way but mix in some guys who know what they're doing and the newbies learn pretty fast

I hear ya but what we were hearing just before this all popped off was that the Ukranians were specifically setting things up and training people to have stuff in place for resistance since they knew their conventional forces wouldn't last long

 

[Aidan]

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Twitter is full of some exceptional motherfuckers.

Not sure if this is a genuine tweet, if so I can't find it. The Raul Brando one is real but obviously a shitpost. It's weird how people latch onto this ludicrous story so quickly.

 

[mr.moon1488]

When were all these videos shot?

Like if this is all from yesterday and today then Ukraine isn't quite done yet, if they're still successfully calling up new troops. No reinforcements coming in is one of the bigger signs that a side in a war is going belly-up

Lol they've basically drafted the entire country bro. You can't even leave Ukraine if you're male and between the age of 18-60.

Gotta love how people are treating real life like a game of Civilization. Just because Russia didn't achieve a domination victory by turn 23 doesn't mean they've completely and utterly failed and aren't going to take what they want in the end. Nuance is just dead in the 21st century. Everything is black and white.

We're only on day three and the Russians already are launching harassing attacks outside Kyiv.

 

[Psychotron]

Gotta love how people are treating real life like a game of Civilization. Just because Russia didn't achieve a domination victory by turn 23 doesn't mean they've completely and utterly failed and aren't going to take what they want in the end. Nuance is just dead in the 21st century. Everything is black and white.

If they just slowed down they could have culture flipped the boarder.

 

[A_Callow_Youth]

@Toothpaste

This. The lack of activity on the Kiev front today indicates that Russia really doesn't want to get into a city fight. Even if it doesn't turn into a proper Stalingrad, they're going to be forced to get pretty fucking indiscriminate with their fire, and optics seem to be one of their major considerations thus far. At a guess, they're hanging back, hoping the Ukranians crack, and getting ready that if they do have to go in, they go in with overwhelming force, damn the press.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Look we definitely have biolabs in Ukraine where we cook up new ways to rape little european boys and sacrifice them to Moloch using Germ Warfare I totally heard it on Coast to Coast once. I should know I met Joe Biden at a rally once.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

You know I have a weird feeling that both Russia and Ukraine severly underestimated the capabilities of the other while vastly overestimating their own ones.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Why can the antagonism only go one way? Russia's belligerence and support of separatists within its own nominal borders wasn't exactly endearing to a Ukrainian government which valued its own independence. Were they just supposed to put up with that indefinitely? Of course they were turning towards NATO for some security. And if somehow, through the grace of God, Ukraine is able to survive this without their government being wiped out and replaced, I'm sure they're going to be more motivated than ever for an alliance with whatever non-Russia-affiliated nation-state willing to ally with them.

There was no way they were going to give up their only Black Sea deep water port, and that's the one in Crimea, which has been Russian long before the USSR. The status quo worked for everyone, except for the grifters and crooks in the US State Department who went along with Obama, Hillary, Biden and the neocons who had had their financial/resource rape of Russia rudely interrupted by Putin and needed new avenues of wealth to fund whatever degenerate shit they get up to. So, in 2014 they pulled out all the stops, wiped out that government and ejected the Moscow friendly stooge and installed their own stooge but Putin anticipated it and made sure to secure Sevastopol before they even noticed. TPTB have been trying to destabilize Russia using Ukraine ever since but there's a reason Russians are great at chess.

This is not a black and white issue and certain matters have a history that predate the US as a country, not to mention your parents and grandparents There's a reason Realpolitik was successful for so many decades; abandoning it caused skeevy politicians to indulge their greed and cause destabilization around the world.

Make sure you read up on Victoria Nuland, she lay the foundation for what's been happening lately, and she's in the Biden White House pulling strings again.

 

[God of Nothing]

If they just slowed down they could have culture flipped the boarder.

That would've been so boring though.

 

[HumanHive]

Gotta love how people are treating real life like a game of Civilization. Just because Russia didn't achieve a domination victory by turn 23 doesn't mean they've completely and utterly failed and aren't going to take what they want in the end. Nuance is just dead in the 21st century. Everything is black and white.

Sending convoys of tanks without support down the highway to get blown up is pretty embarrassing for the Russians.

This is a shitshow for both sides. There are no winners. Instead of a fast overwhelming victory, we see why Russians need nukes to win against NATO.

 

[Protistology]

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Only thing that vaguely hints at being biowarfare related is right here and you only need to read the rest of the paragraph to understand the context.

And the Wuhan Institute of Virology is just a research lab for bat coronaviruses.

 

[draggs]

Lol they've basically drafted the entire country bro. You can't even leave Ukraine if you're male and between the age of 18-60.

That's not the point, they can declare the entire male population 18-60 drafted all they like but if their shit is truly collapsing they aren't going to be able to get them to the front or anywhere else

If this goes past the weekend I think Russia will start hitting transportation targets much harder than it has, outside of airports it's been the Ukrainians doing things like blowing up bridges and tearing up roads and railroad tracks if/when they retreat. If Ukraine can keep feeding more men into the fight and keep kinda sorta mostly holding on, that's a bad look for Russia even though they'll still win anyway and I'd expect Russia would try to do something about it