Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Breadbassket]

Another T90 destroyed. Looks like it was top attacked. Any military nerd wanna tell me if the little box eyeballs on the turret are designed to counter ATGMs?

It has already been mentioned these are meant to counter ATGMs but if you want specific information on the system and how it works I think it itself is referred to as the Shtora-1. Russia has it on T-90s and T-80s and Ukraine puts it on their T-84s

 

[TopCat]

 

[Fougaro]

 

[polyester]

so, like what? sanctions? an appeal to the UN? a pr campaign?

I don't know.

But the West often manages to get its way without an invasion.

When Ukraine had a pro-Russia leader in 2013/2014 who wanted to more closely align the country with Russia rather than the EU, the West didn't have to start a war to stop that... they just sent funding and spooks to prop up a "mostly peaceful" protest movement (Euromaidan) that culminated in a coup d'état overthrowing the elected government and unconstitutionally installing a pro-EU, pro-NATO regime. Which then ruthlessly cracked down on counter-protesters from the other side (see 2014 Odessa massacre), and made sure to fuck over the ethnic-Russian/Russia-friendly provinces (banning their political parties etc.) before holding elections again.

All the while Western media was running a massive, spook-fed propaganda campaign romanticizing the coup as a heroic grassroots movement for "democracy" and "Western values", and pretentiously calling it the "Revolution of Dignity".

It's a dirty business, but you gotta give credit where credit is due - that worked out really well for the US and EU and their spooks, all the while they could pretend that they were not even "officially" involved.

A more savvy leader than Putin might have pulled the correct strings in the background to prevent Euromaidan from succeeding, and avoided the current situation entirely.

Or, instead of invading on a seemingly random day, hold off and simply promise to invade the day when Ukraine officially begins NATO membership talks - which would have put the ball in the other side's court, and may have worked as a deterrent.

Or just fund the break-away provinces (and supply them with weapons and Russian spooks) while pretending to not be officially involved.

Or diplomacy.
Very publicly offering a "peace summit" with the US president, is something that president may not have been able to ignore - be it Obama or Trump or Biden.

Or if you must go to war, maybe just seize the Russia-friendly provinces, in a way that makes it very clear that the scope is limited and you have no interest on marching on Kiev etc. - and may even get media images of the locals greeting your army as liberators.

Or any other less extreme solution. I don't know, I'm kinda retarded and not a foreign policy expert, but I just think that starting an full-scale invasion of an entire country is a fucking extreme measure, and - no matter what legitimate quarrels or concerns you may have had - makes you the aggressor and war criminal.

 

[Jump]

A part of the costs will be offset immediately due to rise in oil prices, others will take Russia finishing its Asian pivo that it's already been doing since 2014. It will hurt, but it won't be a dealbreaker.

Also the EU can't stop buying russian energy. Their green energy cult has made them completely dependent on Russia.

The EU does no dirty energy production, they leave that all to Russia and import it. Doesn't matter if its the same fucking planet as long as they get to virtue signal.
It's like the US EPA driving mostly clean factories out of business in the US. Only to end with the manufactuing done by China who is give zero fucks about pollution and just strait up dumps everything in to the air and sea.

 

[MG-34]

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I was getting tied of these but this one really rekindled my like of them

 

[Richardface]

So what is the loss condition here? Losing the capital? Capturing the jewish funnyman? Occupying 80% of Ukrainean territory? Genuinely curious.

Depends what Putin's looking to achieve. If the Belarus troops head towards Lvov he's going for total annexation and that requires total occupation. If he wants a negotiated settlement then destroying the Ukrainian army and occupying the East may suffice

 

[Mister Qwerty]

 

[Ghostse]

Putin is either went crazy or he went full retard. There is no 4D chess move on this botched invasion. He just alienated himself to the world and economically crippled his country.

Invasion isn't botched, its still truckin' along.
Honestly the only mistake Putin has made is talking about nuclear alert, and that's only a mistake from external optics. ITs a solid alpha move against trembling Eurocucks.
He also didn't count on the PR backlash, but that's something that went against him vs. a mistake. He was expecting Crimea seizure 2.0.

And its neither. Putin is wanting a Russia Stronk PR move for people to show he's still the only strong man who can control the country.

 

[Uncle Buck]

You can argue that Russia exaggerates the threat that Ukraine joining NATO would pose to it...

And, if the whole affair were simply about Ukraine joining NATO/the EU, you might have a point. There are larger issues - specifically the reason why it's supposedly so important for Ukraine to join with either body now, or at least in the several years since the second of two western-backed overthrows of the legitimate governments of that nation.

...and you can definitely argue that none of this justifies Putin's decision to start an all-out war instead of resolving the problem using other means.

This presumes that whether or not Ukraine as a part of NATO or the EU hasn't been a sticking point for the Russian Federation, known to the West and one they've discussed at numerous points since at least 2001 - prior to that last largely unnecessary expansion of that body that brought in the Baltic states. This also ignores the fact that the buffoonish television actor serving as Ukraine's "president" [another beneficiary of the 2014 coup and who's popularity among the whole of the populace is something well south of Spaghetti Sauce Joey's] who is every bit the unqualified clown many people imagined - wrongly - that Trump was categorically refused to negotiate with Russia on any topic.

But simply shutting down historical comparisons with "muh whataboutism!" doesn't cut it, IMO.

It's an unfortunate fact that the nation on Earth that has launched unprovoked attacks and invasions/occupations of at least four sovereign nations in the time the problems leading to this current situation have been problems has no legitimate place to point the finger at another nation that takes similar actions - albeit for much more immediate threats to their own security and after a much longer time dealing with said issues.

 

[Saleh]

Invasion isn't botched, its still truckin' along.
Honestly the only mistake Putin has made is talking about nuclear alert, and that's only a mistake from external optics. ITs a solid alpha move against trembling Eurocucks.
He also didn't count on the PR backlash, but that's something that went against him vs. a mistake. He was expecting Crimea seizure 2.0.

And its neither. Putin is wanting a Russia Stronk PR move for people to show he's still the only strong man who can control the country.

We have been saying that the Russians we saw on those videos were only conscripts and national guard

Well, the Ruskies said that contractors and officers were the only ones in Ukraine but I think this is a lie because so far, they've getting pumeled and are suffering supply problems.

I don't know what to believe.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Footage of what I assume to be a farmer dragging away some war loot. Original post didn't say what the vehicle is but to me it appears to be a 9K33 Osa surface-to-air missile system
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He can mod it to become a surface to air sprinkler system for his farm.

 

[Toothpaste]

Kharkiv is getting bombed

You should insert the videos so that they can be more easily seen.

This one does show the gruesome aftermath of what happens when you bomb a city full of civvies with rocket artillery. I'm sure we'll hear about a lot more civilian casualties before the day is over.

 

[Richardface]

Also the EU can't stop buying russian energy. Their green energy cult has made them completely dependent on Russia.
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The EU does no dirty energy production, they leave that all to Russia and import it. Doesn't matter if its the same fucking planet as long as they get to virtue signal.
It's like the US EPA driving mostly clean factories out of business in the US. Only to end with the manufactuing done by China who is give zero fucks about pollution and just strait up dumps everything in to the air and sea.

So far the Russians haven't responded to the sanction in any way, other than closing their airspace to European airlines. I wonder if they will try to shut off the gas, or if they need/would prefer the money from continuing to sell it.

 

[LUNEKO]

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It always comes down to be about gay furry sex for cartoonist

 

[IKOL]

The only thing missing from this war is Kanye West. I expect him announcing a brand new Donda 2 listening party in Donbass, where he will give away 1000 stem players.

Scoop di dip scoob (no)
Swoop di div whoop (never ever)
Scoopity snoop di poop (better Near amself)

 

[NextTime]

Wow, this thread has become a bigger trashfire than pol. And the highlight isn't even highlighting the good posts, like this one

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[The Foldless Brain]

We have been saying that the Russians we saw on those videos were only conscripts and national guard

Well, the Ruskies said that contractors and officers were the only ones in Ukraine but I think this is a lie because so far, they've getting pumeled and are suffering supply problems.

I don't know what to believe.

You can take any position on the war thus far, but you can believe for sure that zoomer attention spans have rotted both the brains of your average person and those in power and anything that isn't resolved in the span of one news cycle is considered atrociously slow.

So far the Russians haven't responded to the sanction in any way, other than closing their airspace to European airlines. I wonder if they will try to shut off the gas, or if they need/would prefer the money from continuing to sell it.

I see Putin holding off on shutting down the gas as a last resort if he thinks he can get the Europeans to concede on other points. It means cutting down a lot of Russia's main source of income that'll only get more lucrative as the Europeans have handicapped themselves for Uncle Sam.

 

[Melight]

I think if Putin does go schizo enough to nuke someone he's gonna go for Berlin. There is no logical thought to this assumption, I just think it's going to be Berlin.

The whole of Germany will thank him should he do it

 

[Breadbassket]

A list of countries who have given aid to Ukraine thus far in the last 24 hours (may not be entirely accurate):