Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[GreeneCoDeputy]

I'm no expert in field triage, but did someone just throw a bunch of napkins on his wounds?

Based on the severity of the wounds (traumatic amputation) and the amount of blood I'd say someone applied a tourniquet and then... draped the napkins on top.

It's either a bafflingly ineffective means of dressing wounds or a brilliant means of preventing the patient from looking at them and going further into shock.

 

[Happy Fish]

Based on the severity of the wounds (traumatic amputation) and the amount of blood I'd say someone applied a tourniquet and then... draped the napkins on top.

It's either a bafflingly ineffective means of dressing wounds or a brilliant means of preventing the patient from looking at them and going further into shock.

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[AnOminous]

Generally, (young) women don't want to get pregnant at all, so this is a moot point. It's an outdated concept, besides patriarchal and settled societies allow for one man to have one woman, not ten...

It doesn't really matter whether females want to get pregnant if they want to do what leads to it and don't take precautions. Also harem type polygamy is mostly known in really warlike cultures where a majority of the men die young and the remainder are gigachads.

In the cases where it does occur in civilized countries, it's cults like the Mormon offshoots that "fix" their sex imbalance by chucking out all the male children so everyone else can pay for their welfare because these ejectees are mentally fucked up beyond belief from cult brainwashing.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I legit think Putin was puppeteered by the opposition and fed fake intel to go to war on Ukraine.

He's garnering a lot of hate from outside and inside of Russia, and a coup is more than possible.

The next one will proclaim himself a hero while turning Russia into a shithole. He will make a lot of one sided/disfavorable deals from China and Europe/US as a result, and declare himself the saviour of Russia.

 

[rando0675309]

We had effectively zero trade or financial ties with Russia from 1947 through 1991.

The problem with trade embargos is they are only truly effective when deployed against regions too small to survive without them. We've been trying to starve the Iranian people into submission since, what, 1979? They're still around, since they can trade with Russia and China, and Iran itself is a pretty big patch of ground with a lot of resources. Turning Iraq into their vassal state didn't help speed things along, either.

One of the problems America has in 2022 that it didn't have in 1952 is nobody trusts us to have their backs any more, not after Libya, Egypt, Iraq, and Afghanistan. If Russia successfully breaks Ukraine, that clinches it: a safety guarantee from the USA, whether stated or implied, is only an election away from being turned into toilet paper.

The tradeoff in the Cold War was that, sure, Washington is calling some shots in your country, but it guarantees that those commie red bastards aren't going to take over and murder a few million of your citizens. Most small countries felt that was a pretty good deal, and a lot of bigger countries played Washington and Moscow off against each other to maintain their own independence--think India, Mexico, and China.

We aren't offering people that tradeoff anymore. We're actually offering threats. Stay on the USA's good side, or we cut off your access to SWIFT. Play ball with the US or we fund a color revolution. Dance to Washington's tune or kiss the largest single market in the world good-bye. And if some radical towelheads or whatever decide to overthrow your government, and we're too busy to give a shit? Just be glad it didn't happen earlier, you bastards.

So, okay, let's say we cut of Russia, and so does Western Europe. That's going to be a hard knock for them. But China isn't going to. India probably won't, either--they're too worried about China, and have historically never wanted to be one country's bitch. Looks like Brazil and Argentina aren't playing our game, either, and Mexico's got its own independent streak. Okay, so suppose we've got a trading bloc consisting of China, Russia, Mexico, India, Brazil, Argentina, Iran, and Iraq.

That's just too much territory to starve out. Sure, it'll be hard for Russia, but it will hardly end them. They'll have access to all the same Chinese-made goods we depend on, and raw materials are pretty easy to launder.

It's really going to be Russia, China, Iran, and Iraq. The only reason India has to evade the sanctions, which the U.S. is ok with, is because their military is dependent on Ruskie gear, but India is aggressively diversifying & indigenizing their military, so that won't be save Putin in the long term or even medium term. If anything, it will give India leverage to make all the big contracts like the S-400 it a "co-production" deal, so they don't have to deal with Russia's extortion that passes for warranty and spare parts support.

Bolso is almost definitely going to lose in Brazil, so that's another very tentative "ally" gone for Russia as well, who doesn't even do business with Russia anyway. And Mexico? Lmao good luck with that. They might have an independent streak, but their bread and butter economically is with the US and Canada, their largest trade partners.

That leaves China, who is going to make Russia their white monkey bitch, and the powerhouses of Best Korea, broke commie narcostate Venezuela, the unstable, terminal basket case of Iran, Iran's terminally unstable appendage Iraq, and maybe Argentina, who will only be in the Chink payment system because they've reneged on their debts multiple times like a hood rich nigger.

If that's success, I don't want to know what failure looks like

 

[JambledUpWords]

And the Ukrainians would never use propaganda for themselves

 

[Disheveled Human]

Europe relies on Russian oil in rates from 50% to 90%. They will not stop buying it and they are buying it even right now through the pipes that are still active through Ukraine. There's a reason the sanctions haven't touched that sector. Anyone seriously believing that Russia will collapse in a situation where countries like Venezuela and Iran have held on are kidding themselves.

I don't think you understand how severe being cut off from western trade is. This is more then just oil.

 

[The Ugly One]

Nah they are pretty fucked tbh. They cant move that much oil who is gonna buy the difference? Even if some country does want to buy the difference how are they gonna ship and store it?

If the price of oil goes high enough, any country whose ruling class doesn't get rich via laundering money through Ukraine is going to want a refreshing drink of Russian crude.

 

[Fcret]

People severely overestimate the long-term effects of the sanctions on Russia of all places given both its history and the decoupling from Western markets and ties to China the last few years as well as the rise in oil prices.

There won't be a long-term for the Russian economy. In ~10 years, they'll be where Japan is now demographically but poor, isolated, and without robots.

 

[MelloYello]

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MAP OF UKRAINE MARCH 1ST 2022 (REAL)

Needs more Heeresgruppe Süd.

 

[TapewormSalesman]

I legit think Putin was puppeteered by the opposition and fed fake intel to go to war on Ukraine.

He's garnering a lot of hate from outside and inside of Russia, and a coup is more than possible.

The next one will proclaim himself a hero while turning Russia into a shithole. He will make a lot of one sided/disfavorable deals from China and Europe/US as a result, and declare himself the saviour of Russia.

It was very bizarre how Navalny happily returned to Russia after supposedly almost getting assassinated and knowing full well that he'd be arrested on the spot, so you may be onto something here.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

I don't think you understand how severe being cut off from western trade is. This is more then just oil.

There will be severe short-term effects on the economy, but that oil isn't being touched at the same time its price rise rapidly and the deals with China are why the state won't collapse. Russia will fall completely into the orbit of a junior partner of the Chinks, but those thinking it'll collapse will be wrong.

There won't be a long-term for the Russian economy. In ~10 years, they'll be where Japan is now demographically but poor, isolated, and without robots.

The Russian fertility rate is comparable to your basic EU country, arguably more since those count arabs.

 

[Fcret]

There will be severe short-term effects on the economy, but that oil isn't being touched at the same time its price rise rapidly and the deals with China are why the state won't collapse. Russia will fall completely into the orbit of a junior partner of the Chinks, but those thinking it'll collapse will be wrong.

The Russian fertility rate is comparable to your basic EU country, arguably more since those count arabs.

And EU countries are significantly wealthier and have strong economic ties and overseas investments.

Russia has none of those, And a 20% higher adult mortality rate.

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't think you understand how severe being cut off from western trade is. This is more then just oil.

They won't be cut off, because Europe will continue buying Russian oil and gas. At worst, trade will be laundered through China, and the West isn't going to embargo China. One of the really stupid things the Western ruling class did from 1991 through the present is accept bribes from virtually all sides of any potential conflict. As they say, an honest politician stays bought, and our politicians aren't honest. Makes it hard to pursue any kind of policy effectively.

Hell, I remember when US policy was to realign with Russia to spite Bush. That plastic reset button blew up in Hilldawg's face, though, didn't it?

 

[Very_sad_man]

nigger Russians are going to need wheelbarrows to buy bread in a month lol

Or something like this

 

[AnOminous]

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nobel prize lol

Nobel PEACE Prize. It would actually be entirely within tradition to give it to someone for doing jack. Not even energetic enough to do jack-shit, just jack.

 

[The Foldless Brain]

And EU countries are significantly wealthier and have strong economic ties and overseas investments.

Russia has none of those, And a 20% higher adult mortality rate.

They've had that wealth for ages and to a more lopsided degree to the Russians and still had their fertility sink to the same point. The wishcasting of fertility rates is unfalsifiable nonsense.

 

[Marley Rathbone]

Literally Russia is conducting the most humane war in the third millenium. Complete opposite of the shit wars that America launched.

And pouring Russian vodka down the drain? In half the states of the US boycotting Israel over warcrimes in Gaza is illegal.

 

[Strix454]

Why are Ukrainians making films about Russian history? I thought they didn't have a history with Russia.

Well. Some of them think that Russian History is Ukrainian History. For various reasons, they consider the slavic proto-state founded by "Rurik the Rus" (who was not a slav) to be the predecessor state to "Ukraine".

The truth is that Russia, Belerus and Ukraine all have a common early history. One of their histories cant be untangled from all of their histories. But the nationalists all disagree and know that
their particular state is the "senior" state from which all civilization and all history in the region derives. And so all the nationalists attempt to claim bits and pieces of that shared history
as their own.

 

[Ted_Logan]

Is anyone else neutral? Like in honestly both sides are fags just one want more pity then the other. Looking at you Ukraine

Pl ahead: my historical babe support the Ukraine as yes there is real people harmed etc and actually looked in non American report and yes talked to people from the county through media. But the ghost fag feel like fake news.