Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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draggs said:
I don't read slavtongue and I'm kind of getting tired of seeing it constantly. Fuck Cyrillic #TeamLATINALPHABET 4 LYFE I mean if it was Latin script I don't read Russian or Ukrainian or whatever either but at least then it would look civilized and not beet squiggles
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Cyrillic isn't that difficult. Many letters are same as in English. Learn to read Cyrillic, helps a lot. Many Russian/Ukrainian words are cognates (similar to) English words. Examples - try "bank" and "restaurant". Words the same in English and Russian.

Another easy alphabet to learn is Hangul, the Korean alphabet. Ten vowels, fourteen consonants. Invented by a Korean king about a thousand years ago. Words are in syllabic blocks of two to five letters, spelled as they sound. Learned Hangul in a couple of hours one afternoon.

Learn new things, expand the horizons. Cannot hurt.


On a different matter, was thinking about Putin getting help from Belarus and asking for troops from Kazakhstan. Neither country has a large army, and neither army will have that many trigger-pullers. In the absence of any other info tells me Putin hasn't enough troops to do the job. Also looks like he won't use strategic bombing to flatten cities. Can mean house-to-house fighting, which soaks up troops. Original invasion plan expected a walkover, and now Russia is trying to figure out what to do. Simply declare victory and go home. Russia and Putin are already pariahs, so leaving now won't make anything worse, might help make things better. However, in this respect Europe is more united than it has been in decades.

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Exceptionally Exceptional said:
Remember when I said my last shitpost would be the last one?

I lied.
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I agree that this is essentially what is happening. but we're also pushing Russia into choosing between being a good little nation and giving us oil through the proper corrupt channels, or being a slave to China. It's total globohomo, but it!s masterfully executed. We got *Switzerland* to freeze Russian accounts. This is almost certainly why everyone got their panties in a bunch and impeached Trump the first time, and for once I'm glad America is stealing money from the Russians and at the moment not so much from me.
 
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The Ugly One said:
No. Because Russia backed down. If they hadn't, we were going to war. And that's the salient point. We considered the Soviet Union building the ability to strike America from the Caribbean to be worth willing to go to war over, and now people are acting like it's just completely outlandish for Putin to behave in a very similar way, decades later, when we were practicing staging an offensive from Ukraine.

And, unlike the Cuban Missile Crisis, when America and the USSR both agreed a war should be avoided, and (albeit begrudgingly) recognized that the rival had valid interests at stake, in Ukraine, America blazed on ahead, escalating at every step, until OH MY GOD RUSSIA INVADED NOBODY EXPECTED THIS.
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"Unlike" The entire point of brinksmanship it to force a favorable situation at the negotiations table. Not war.

Shit, would Russia even fucking be in this position if they hadn't pissed on the INF treaty and the Budapest Memorandum? Russia is trying to re-roll their saving throws on the breakup of the USSR.
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Are you making a point?
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Yeah, the outcome was totally fucking different. The US didn't summarily fucking invade the minute they perceived a threat. It is a poor analogy.
 
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The result of the fighting for Mariupol, February 28, 2022

Damaged and abandoned equipment of the Ukrainian army after the battles that took place today with the forces of the NM DPR in the vicinity of Mariupol.

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draggs said:
The US could already put nukes in the already NATO members Baltic states if it wanted to, also a 5 minute missile flight to St. Petersburg and Moscow
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This.
Any talk of “nukes in Ukraine” is absurd on its face. Russia just doesn’t want to lose its vassal to the “not allowed to be invaded” club of either the EU or NATO.
 
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Ero said:
"14 Heartbreaking Videos Of Russian Soldiers That Will Make You Say "Fuck Having National Sovereignty And Shiet"
Is this the level of cope we're at now in the thread?

Or maybe 99% of the world's population doesn't agree with a pointless war? Socking, I know, for /pol/ neet.
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Calling the war pointless over and over again doesn’t make it so. Russia has geopolitical interests which Ukraine and NATO pissed all over for a decade. Russia’s been put in a rough spot where its choices are allowing Ukraine to forever leave its orbit or biting the bullet and invading.
 
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Saleh said:
Turkey has invoked the wartime clause in Montreux Convention and has warned ALL countries not to pass warships through its Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits.

Erdogan won't get his S-400 by christmas.
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It doesn't matter as much as it might seem. Practically speaking, it means that Russian warships can't sail out for the duration of the conflict, but
they can (under the convention) sail back home. And it helps as much as it hurts because if there were an intervention, it could not be
a naval intervention into the black sea region.
 
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Freezard said:
I've been thinking about the potential of something ugly happening that, since I just don't have the time to trawl the latest news or every post without completely fucking over everything else I have going on, I don't think I've seen talked about much. There's been much about the Slavic Volksturm, and how it's a generally short sighted idea made out of desperation to fill the gaps in the line (presumably the rear, if any commanders have any sense, so that proper troops can be freed up to fight where needed more), but the side effect of using civilian militias is that you'll have the other guys getting really wary of civilians where they normally wouldn't be.

To get to the point faster, I'm thinking of a development possibly occurring that is similar to the Second Sino-Japanese War, before it got rolled up into the greater Second World War. The Chinese and Japanese were already in an unspoken mutual agreement that nobody was taking any prisoners since practically the word go, but the situation for civilians became infamously bad as part of another few factors. One of them being the Chinese army practice of, when retreating, to strip off their uniforms and retreat under the guise of being noncombatants until they reached friendly territory and could reorganize. When the Japanese started seeing this, and treating wayward civilians as simply military units in disguise...well, we know how that ended up.

Now obviously the Russians and Ukies' relationship with one another is nothing at all like the Japanese and the Chinese, but I can't help but think that mass arming of civilians is going to result in a completely avoidable large scale atrocity (much like how this war is happening at all, in my completely uneducated view, because of long term failures of diplomacy), if it hasn't already. I don't mean small incidents where somebody shoots up an ambulance because they're a jumpy retard or indirect incidents where some civilians get caught in an artillery barrage because you're shelling an urban target and that just happens no matter who you are, I'm talking history lecture bold text post-war monument level fuckup.

Now despite my willingness to talk at length on the subject my actual knowledge of history and warfare is at a level of what can be considered "enthusiastic hobbyist" or "developmentally delayed urban youth" so I'm hopefully wrong about this, or the reporting of arming civilians is massively overstated and is only a relatively local decision, but I can't help but have a bad feeling.
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There's already no evidence that any of these people are saboteurs, and there's video of the Ukrainian military gunning people down who are trying to leave the country.
 
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JosephStalin said:
Cyrillic isn't that difficult. Many letters are same as in English. Learn to read Cyrillic, helps a lot. Many Russian/Ukrainian words are cognates (similar to) English words. Examples - try "bank" and "restaurant". Words the same in English and Russian.

Another easy alphabet to learn is Hangul, the Korean alphabet. Ten vowels, fourteen consonants. Invented by a Korean king about a thousand years ago. Words are in syllabic blocks of two to five letters, spelled as they sound. Learned Hangul in a couple of hours one afternoon.

Learn new things, expand the horizons. Cannot hurt.


On a different matter, was thinking about Putin getting help from Belarus and asking for troops from Kazakhstan. Neither country has a large army, and neither army will have that many trigger-pullers. In the absence of any other info tells me Putin hasn't enough troops to do the job. Also looks like he won't use strategic bombing to flatten cities. Can mean house-to-house fighting, which soaks up troops. Original invasion plan expected a walkover, and now Russia is trying to figure out what to do. Simply declare victory and go home. Russia and Putin are already pariahs, so leaving now won't make anything worse, might help make things better. However, in this respect Europe is more united than it has been in decades.

Been out all morning.
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Knowing English doesn't make Cyrillic easier at all. Quite the opposite.

В- this makes a V sound.
Ш- this makes a shhh sound
У- this is U
Ч- this is Ch
Р- this is R
С- this is S
Д- this is D
 
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