Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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worthless idea. bunkers (static defense fortification in general) are near useless in the modern era because they are just sitting ducks waiting to get popped by artillery shells and rockets from 20 miles away.
I wasn't saying they would win this war, I'm just thinking that in a country this flat bunker's are better than trying to hide in a forest, in winter while wearing blue jeans and red jackets. I'm not an armchair general but Russia doesn't seem like it would waste shells or rockets on half a dozen 40-50 year old plumbers, joiners and welders firing from a bunker.
 
Every body seems to forget that when ww2 was fought Germany literally fought the world
And it was close
Don't attack germans
It was close which was why Germany was a smoldering ruin after the war that had to be propped up by gibsmedats whereas its two main enemies, the US and USSR, experienced enough economic growth to not just prosper but also fuel the industrialization of their satellites.

Nigger, Germany was never going to win the war. It wasn't even close. The question was always, "how long is it going to take and how much is it going to cost to put the krauts back in the cuckshed"
 
They were literally relying on Romania's oil and there is zero doubt from any historian who's not a Commie themselves that Stalin was eventually going to try and take his shot at Hitler. That war was going to happen one way or another, whether in 1941 or 1943.
>any historian who's not a commie
Implying there's someone that would use the intention to respect a pact with literally Hitler as a good thing
 
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Problem is that Ukrainian civilians were climbing all over them. If you have a way of explaining that away, let me know, but again to me that seems like something went wrong quite significantly. Even if its just fuel.
I'm not discounting the possibility that it's real, but it seems to be happening extremely frequently and until there's been awhile to sort out what happened where I'd rather just not believe any of it.

As for possibilities, I don't actually know what exactly Ukraine had tucked away in their armory and / or was able to get from neighbors. I could absolutely see the Ukrainians, if they have access to a handful of T-90's, parking them on the side of the street and just saying the Russians left them there. They seem to know that they are not going to win this outright, so I could see someone up top deciding that if they had access to two or three of them at least for a day they might be more valuable as propaganda tools than on the front, or they were stopped as they move towards the front.

Again I'm not claiming that this is true, but it's a way that this could be invented.
 
I am so tired of fags coming into this thread to inform us that it was wrong for Putin to invade Ukraine like it's some kind of mic-drop le epic ownage moment no one here had considered yet.
Putin will totally back down if we tell everyone that invasion is bad. If you have an alternative solution that doesn’t involve telling Putin to stop the invasion, you’re a Russian asset.
 
The problem is the government encouraging it in an official capacity. A lot of people are delusional and don't understand the severity, they think it's like being at a protest or something where the Russians won't light them up if they wear civilian clothing while tossing a firebomb. Soldiers have an understanding of the realities, civilians don't. I'm not going to fault people for rising up against invaders but the government officially encouraging it is gross and feels manipulative.
lol noone is actually doing that. It's like the handout of weapons. They're just getting given to white niggers who think it'd be handy to have an AK while they loot the local Prada store
 
Yesterday on Fox they broke a story about Russia using a thermobaric bomb that they called the Father of all Bombs in response to the US MOAB that got dropped on ISIS. Except when the Russians do it, it's a war crime and almost certainly killed legions of civillians. They went as far as to make up some bullshit about it being a "vacuum bomb" mmmmmm i want some Freedom Fries
Well technically all those fuel-air bombs reduce the air pressure which does something or other to make the asplosy more powerful or whatever. So they take the surrounding atmosphere a step closer to being a vacuum when they explode but nowhere near all the way
 
Russia doesn't seem like it would waste shells or rockets on half a dozen 40-50 year old plumbers, joiners and welders firing from a bunker.
they'll absolutely "waste" a hundred shells and rockets on flattening bunkers, and they'll do it gladly, because there's no real alternative. you don't send infantry to suicide charge into fortified positions, that was the one thing people learned from ww1.
 
I still can't tell if the Ghost of Kiev thing started from a real happening that got way distorted, or was 100% a Samuyil Hyde shitpost from the beginning that got Chinese whispered.
 
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I'm shocked at just how susceptible people are to propaganda, these past few days have been something else. Everyone falls prey to the globohomo spin machine from time to time but people have finally lost their damn minds I swear. People don't actually want to know the truth, they don't care. I guess I'm too young, I didn't experience Afghanistan or Iraq or any of that business. I didn't know there was any part left of me that believed in the rationality of people or that goodness will prevail and so on, but I've felt those last shreds disintegrate within me these past few days. Maybe I'll try on a fedora and become a libertarian or something.
Yuri Bezmenov, a KGB defector, explains it.

Long story short, the public is being subjected to a barrage of disinformation in an attempt to force them to give up trying to find the truth and just accept whatever they are told. It's meant to demoralize us all.
 
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>organized with western NGO funding and support
>openly backed and approved by western politicians
>"bottom up revolution"

who are you trying to fool here lol
All revolutions have had at least some form of outside support in modern history, so Euromaidan getting some doesn't make it "manufactured" to me. The grievances that led to Euromaidan were certainly very real before that.
Yeah, it wasn't just oligarchs fighting oligarch with nationalists. Are you deluded?
Given that Euromaidan originated primarily from organically developed Ukrainian grievances against the Russians, no, it wasn't just "oligarchs fighting oligarchs".

You don't get the insanity of Euromaidan from just "oligarchs fighting oligarchs", and everything I've read so far suggests to me that Viktor Yanukovych was just generally unpopular and seen as far too "buddy-buddy" with Russia in the lead-up to that.

So if you leave your place, I sneak there and change locks, does it mean that it's mine? Good.
If I moved out of my place permanently and entirely, taking all of my belongings with me, and you somehow earned the place through a vote within the local community, then yes.

Because that was what would be more analogous to the end of Euromaidan.

"a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government." it doesn't mean shit if it was done by a bunch of nationalist with the oligarch money.
What was "illegal" about the protests? What was even particularly "power-seizing" about the riots (which were indeed damaging)? And given that the Euromaidan didn't lead to any one single person or group gaining power, despite the overwhelming Euromaidan victory, and the subsequent votes, elections, returning the Ukrainian constitution to its 2004 amendments, etc., the entire process of Euromaidan was basically retroactively made "legal", if anything in it was ever "illegal" to begin with.

And all revolutions were "illegal" under the previous system, only to retroactively become "legal" once they succeeded.

Yeah, nationalist didn't try to rob Crimea of it's autonomy which let them straight into Russia's arms, eastern regions didn't look at them trying to legally destroy the status of russian language and said "fuck it" and tried to held a referendum, and you know the rest.
Crimea was literally conquered by Russia and then Russia held sham "referendums" to "legitimize" its takeover that were actually unconstitutional under both Ukrainian and Crimean law. There were no attempts to "rob Crimea of its autonomy"; what came before that was unrest from the Russian ethnic elements in Crimea after the epic clusterfuck of the Euromaidan.

And what made what the eastern regions of Ukraine did with their "referendums" and general separatism any more "legal" or even anything less like a "coup" than what the Euromaidan did? Indeed, I'd even argue what those Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine are doing seems more like a "coup" than Euromaidan ever was.
Once again, I cannot speak for everybody, but the majority agree the government change in 2014 was not an organic, grass roots movement. The reasons for this are many, but the two most prominent ones are as follows:

1) the majority of Ukraineans did not have an axe to grind with Russia until the Crimean debacle, so the openly antagonistic course of the new government (breaking the trade agreement, threatening not to extend Crimean naval base lease, immediately establishing course towards NATO) gave most Russians a whiplash. Of course, the sentiment changed over the following 8 years, but we are talking about what it felt like then.

2) the US was openly gloating about the success of yet another "emergent democracy" they spent 5 billion dollars to "support". And, of course, there was the optics of Victoria Nuland handing out cookies to protesters. This is a hilarious example of cross-cultural miscommunication: in the US, handing out baked goods is perceived a sign of support and goodwill, but in Russia it is the ultimate sign of betrayal (we have a kindergarden tale about a boy who ratted out his WW2 resistance cell and had them all killed over a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies).

The Ukraineans desire to lead a better life within European Union was/is understandable, but the inherent Slavic cynicism makes many Russians think the Ukraineans would be treated as second-rate citizens in EU at best (thus all the "cleaning Polish toilet" jokes) while in Russia they would be/are treated as equals. With every other family having relatives in Ukraine and about 5 million Ukraineans earning money here, they are/were not discriminated against, at least compared to the muslims.

I reiterate that I speak only from my personal experience and expouse the opinions of the people I personally know.
Understandable. What do you say, from personal experience, are the opinions of the Muscovite Rus' on the Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine and the "Russian Spring" that happened there post-Euromaidan?
 
Russia really shelling the shit outta Kharkov

How long before they do it to Kiev lol
If it's true and the bridges have been demolished, then they probably will have to, to soften it up...
Or they can lay provisional bridges maybe. Did anyone see an AVLB among all the vehicles? I didn't so far.
 
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Not a lot of people know this but the majority of grain consumed in the Arab states comes from Russia and Ukraine. The last time that slavgrain exports lagged, we got the Arab Spring. This shortage is probably going to be ten times worse.

Prepare your anuses for compounding happenings.
 
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