Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

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How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Freezard said:
It's strange to me. Some otherwise very intelligent people I talk to were adamant that training civilians to make improvised incendiaries and make them think they can attack armored vehicles wasn't irresponsible, though my argument was less the inherent ineffectiveness of those against modern armored vehicles (cold war armored vehicles really, their protection was made to a standard where they could be covered in napalm for some time and still survive to drive away from the fire) and more that militarizing civilians is a bloody minded and irresponsible move that will result in them getting killed and enemy soldiers getting wary and overreacting to civilians because, even though hitting an armored vehicle with a molotov cocktail is likely to do nothing but look scary, throwing one at a person is at the least going to injure them severely, and once one soldier sees his buddy get third degree burns all over his body because he didn't pull the trigger on somebody in civilian clothes they won't think twice next time they have to ponder that decision.

This isn't hard to get. The thing civilians should be doing is either moving away from the war zone, or hiding, or if they feel they absolutely must be doing something, at least joining a volunteer organization where they can help, instead of trying to do something they don't know how to do, which is fight in a modern war. There's a refugee situation. People need help, and you hardly have to go kill people or get killed to help your countrymen. I'd say that the most helpful thing they could do in a fight is leave the fighting up to, you know, the trained soldiers who instead of bottles full of flammables only effective within throwing distance have a metric ass load of anti-tank missiles purpose built to destroy everything from trucks to tanks, and know how to use them.

I don't really know. I chalk it up to being altogether too trusting of the media and friendly-oriented propaganda. Which is what I'm thinking or maybe just hoping all this about arming civilians and training them on molotov cocktails is anyways in the grand scheme of things, even if it's inspiring some people to take extreme risks where they shouldn't.
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Not exactly. There is a time and place and people who are selected for certain roles.

If anything that arts and crafts exercise is just figuring out who are leaders, who are followers, and who is a fucking liability for whatever goofy crap they get up to next. I'm not a war-fighting soldier person, just a blue collar guy who runs day labor crews, but I hand simple tasks like that to unknown people all the time to size them up. If they fuck it up I know they can't follow simple instructions and they get put in the idiot corner until I can get rid of them. This molotov-making business is most likely that.
 
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Бурт Оффэрингс said:
I have noticed something interesting in the media in my country though. There is little to no mention of the actual Ukie military, but there is laser-focus on civ volunteers and militia. If you only listened to the radio or the BBC, you could be forgiven for believing that this war is literally just peasants with fire bombs against the full mailed fist of the Most Foul And Most Evil Fascist Russian Empire. I work alone and listen to current affairs talk radio nearly all day, and I have only heard Ukrainian civ casualty and Russian military casualty figures.
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Gotta get gullible Westerners emotionally involved.
 
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Yuri_ said:
Russian cats BTFO!
That'll teach them for siding with Putin!
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Maybe I've simply forgotten what went on 20 years ago, but I don't remember the 9/11 reaction being this childish.
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You don’t remember because it wasn’t. Which is why it’s getting more suspicious each day. I know a lot of people who used to be apolitical, neutral or downright racist toward slavs that are now salivating at the idea of killing Putin to save beautiful Ukraine.
It’s definitely weird and doesn’t seem natural.
 
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Oxous said:
Interesting thread (archive) from a guy who seems to have had a decent amount of experience in the Army with trucks.
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As a tl;dr, he explains that you need to move a military truck once a month, to make sure there's no problems with tire inflation or lines leaking, stuff like that. Another concern is that if you leave a tire out in the sun for too long (like, for a few months) the tire - more specifically, the side walls - rot and the tire will rip itself apart if you put it on low pressure for any significant distance. He uses a photo of an abandoned Pantsir in the mud from a couple days ago to illustrate this:
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His personal guess is that this Pantsir hadn't been moved in about a year before it was sent to the front. The conclusion he draws from this is that if the Russian Army couldn't be arsed to move a vehicle as expensive/important as a Pantsir, they definitely haven't moved their regular trucks, and thus the Russians literally cannot go offroad while the ground is muddy. The tires on their vehicles will fail and they'll have to abandon them. As it happens, Ukraine had a mild winter so they're sorta beginning to enter rasputitsa right now.

The implications of this, if everything is what he says it to be, is that the Ukrainians would hypothetically be able to start going Finn mode and begin enveloping and destroying Russian convoys... with the one exception that this wouldn't work in southern Ukraine or Crimea, since it's drier there.
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That guy is full of shit. It's very obviously not a broken tire. The fucking wheel fell off. Look at the size of the hub and the size of the wheel rim next to it. Fucking twatter "experts".
 
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Yuri_ said:
Russian cats BTFO!
That'll teach them for siding with Putin!
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Maybe I've simply forgotten what went on 20 years ago, but I don't remember the 9/11 reaction being this childish.
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Yeah, that will stop those russian cats from invading Ucraina and stress-shitting everywhere!
i will keep milking that joke for all its worth
 
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Richardface said:
One wonders how long European solidarity will last if this pans out

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European backlash against muh refugees was because the "refugees" were 15-35 year old subhuman shitskins, im sure the response to actual women and children will be much more broadly welcoming.
 
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Juan But Not Forgotten said:
Ok, it was probably posted here, so sorry in advance. French journalist Anne-Laure Bonnel was reporting about ф war in Ukraine on CNews. The host expected her to go "Putin Hitler killing children", but instead she replied that "yes, ukrainian forces have no problems with shelling their own civilians", since she was following this war since 2015. Of course, hosts didn't believe her and despite this video being shared on Twitter, it seems to be marked as "unacceptable content". Sadly, the video doesn't have english subtitles, so if everyone wants to help - thank you.
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Autistic transcript in coming. Sorry to be late if this has been translated before.

After being asked "What is the situation ?" by Pascal Praud(white hair dude)the first thing she says is : Dombass population is tired, they have been many casualties and massacres, that the Ukrainian governement bombed heavily the Dombass. "Next point" as she says is that it continues. She says that many villages are bombed or aimed at, she took photos in order to keep track of all of this. "I have no political message but just know that now we all talk about this conflict which has been going on for 8years and made 13000 dead, all Ukrainians. They are surprised Europe now acknowledge the situation meanwhile for them(Dombass pop) it is everydays life". She says Dombass population is used to get shelled/bombed and that she documented it as far as 2015. Then Pascal Praud says "I interupt you because not everyone understand the situation like you do. You said, and it suprised me, everyone feels "Ukrainian" and you just said that the shelling/bombardment was "Ukrianian". She answers "Absolutly". She say it again, precising that it was forgotten(understand : the situation in the Dombass), that the Dombass population was targetted by the Kiev governement, that the russophone pop. was targetted by Kiev. She says she has all the proofs and she can give/show them when she will be back in France, further more she appears to have a "movie"(probably filmed evidences). Pascal asked if those population are Russe or Ukrainian. From "her side" they are urkainian. Russe are at the hearth of the "pays"/county(region ?) and near Luensk, where she will go soon, there is the Ukrainian army. She says she is sorry to shock everyone, to which Pascal say "No no, on the contrary", she then say that she does not take the side of Putin but "It is the Urkainian army"(responsible for the shelling i suppose). She says she know what she is talking about because she has been with the civilian population all along, she even has been in Armenia recently. PPraud : "What you say are just facts". She say she is sorry, she has seen children living in cave(fr)/cellars(Eng) in 2015. She is insists on the fact that what the Kiev regim did was a crime against humanity, yesterday she saw two femal teachers(institutrices) cut in half, that civilians are heavily hit and not with light grade ammos. P.P "According to you it is the Ukrainian regim that started those bombing ? If can stay more on-live I propose you to confront Bernard Henry-Levy(He is a notorious warhawk/va-t'en-guerre here in France, always in corrupt affairs. He was for the war against the serbs for exemple, a top tier propagandist, a jew and pseudo-philosophe), because what you give us are informations that will surprise those listening us, that the Dombass is bombed by Ukrianian forces since many years, a sort of civil war put in place." (At 5.19 minutes you see Bernard Henry-levy bottom right, ce fils de putain) She then repeats what she said previously, that Kiev bombedd its own pop since the 26th of May in 2014(rock solid numbers casualties). She then show a photo/screen taken two days ago of the teacher cut in half, she says "That it is the Ukrainian forces doing." She show people in shelters(old women). BHL says he knows all of this and has been in the Dombass before her, she denies vehemently of course. She insiste on showing more screens. BHL says he wants it to stop now(the conflict/invasion). PP says he understand her and that the message is well-received. Lastly PP asks "Why Zélynski is bombing Dombass since 2014 ?"(He seems a bit missinformed too)

PS : Red part = me.
 
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The Wicked Mitch said:
European backlash against muh refugees was because the "refugees" were 15-35 year old subhuman shitskins, im sure the response to actual women and children will be much more broadly welcoming.
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Mamma Merkel needed shitskin 30somethings to come in and fill in the illegal work positions that companies wouldn't legally hire Europeans for cause they had to pay proper salaries (ie a living wage) and allowances.
 
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Richardface said:
Weird that the commander of the whoel VDV would be anywhere but a headquarters inside Russia, but the VDV have shown a passion for taking stupid risks in this war so who knows
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I'm a doubtful myself. If he is dead I'd figure it's from stress or some kind of illness. Generals are fucking old and Russian ones don't look like they are at their peak.
 
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