Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[attractive_pneumonia]

If you lose a Major General in the fucking 21st century to a country best known for being the site of a nuclear disaster, you aren't allowed to call yourself a superpower.

Well the US lost a Major General in both Afghanistan and Vietnam so I guess the US was never a Superpower at any time by your metric.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Does anyone have an updated map that isn't minimizing russian gains? liveuamap is showing russians in the same place that they were a few days ago

In a more serious answer, I’ve been following Vologda mapping on YouTube ( Link to channel ). He’s put out some decent content in the past and seems less propaganda-y than others. I may be wrong though…

 

[Matt Damon]

So if Ukraine wants to join NATO let them, it's their country after all. Russia needs to fuck off and leave them alone and let it run it's country the way they want to run their country.

That is a child's view of the world. There are geopolitical realities that countries subject to major powers need to deal with.

Ukraine chose to thumb its nose at Russia's vital interests and this is the result.

 

[JosephStalin]

Couple of interesting articles.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/aeroflot-halts-international-flights-as-russian-sanctions-increase-risk-of-foreign-leased-planes-being-impounded/ar-AAUEyGo?li=BBnb7Kz

https://archive.ph/tSVGv

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/as-war-loomed-us-armed-ukraine-to-hit-russian-aircraft-tanks-and-prep-for-urban-combat-declassified-shipment-list-shows/ar-AAUDfty?li=BBnb7Kz

https://archive.ph/IubQd

 

[Mussi]

So if Ukraine wants to join NATO or the EU, or whatever, let them, it's their country after all. Russia needs to fuck off and leave them alone and let it run it's country the way they want to run their country.

So if Cuba wants to host Soviet or Chinese missiles, or whatever, let them, it's their country after all. America needs to fuck off and leave them alone and let it run it's country the way they want to run their country.

 

[Simpadoo]

@Null's position on this is retarded. While I get his attempt to be neutralfag, he clearly overlooked some things:
1. Russia launched an unwarranted invasion
2. A blitzcrieg nonetheless
3. The Russian Ukrainian narrative is used as a justification to capture territory
4. The Russian propaganda machine is overblating this issue and fabricating facts/events to further

They fucked around with the globohomo and found out how we rig the games here in the west lmao.

The sanction bullshit isn’t effective on larger powers. Mostly on shitty, small countries that are nascent.

See how the US had to intervene militarily in Iraq because the sanctions did fuck all. Same with Iran, Best Korea, etc. All still standing and all fulfilling the objectives that the sanctions were going to stop.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

Ukraine wasn't even fucking eligible to join NATO, a major reason Russia annexed Crimea was to cause a border dispute issue that makes Ukraine ineligible to join, this is the exact same tactic Russia used on Georgia.

Ukraine was left with a tough decision, but not an impossible one.

They could have amputated and ceded the disputed Crimean lands to Russia and joined NATO, ensuring they would lose no further. Like an amputation of the gangrenous flesh.

Or, they could have started sucking up to Russia, in hopes of a favorable relationship.

They chose neither option, and this was the outcome. Was Russia morally correct for invading? No, but the Ukraine knew the position they were in, and refused to make the tough decision that would have ensured the safety and independence of their country. They couldn't do so through their own military might, so it is what it is.

I don't feel happy for the Russians, and I feel sorry for the Ukrainians going through this, but what else did they think was going to happen? It was always just a matter of when, not if.

 

[Mussi]

The sanction bullshit isn’t effective on larger powers. Mostly on shitty, small countries that are nascent.

See how the US had to intervene militarily in Iraq because the sanctions did fuck all. Same with Iran, Best Korea, etc. All still standing and all fulfilling the objectives that the sanctions were going to stop.

What they don't realize is that when the average person sees a group depriving them of products or services or jobs, they don't blame their government, they blame the people who took those things away from them.

 

[draggs]

I'm sure I'm late but the story of the brave Panther of Kharkov house kot alerting Ukrainian soldiers to Russian snipers' laser sights (sniper rifles don't use laser sights lol) really hit me in the feels

What a brave kotteh even if it is a Nazi fascist kot

 

[Simpadoo]

People really need to stop invading countries this whole invading shit is bullshit, it helps nothing and nobody, it just hurts the innocents.

The US bully need to abandon this Liberal hegemony crap and adopt the non-intervention doctrine. They won’t, so more bullshit incoming.

 

[Maurice Caine]

The Eternal Brazilian
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I voted for this guy. Based.

 

[Hackallier]

Equipment and killed soldiers of the 36th Marine Brigade of the Ukrainian Navy in the battles against the Armed Forces of the DPR in the Mariupol direction in the village of Kalchinovka

Spoiler: Dead bodies

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

The sanction bullshit isn’t effective on larger powers. Mostly on shitty, small countries that are nascent.

See how the US had to intervene militarily in Iraq because the sanctions did fuck all. Same with Iran, Best Korea, etc. All still standing and all fulfilling the objectives that the sanctions were going to stop.

I said this earlier in the thread, but the whole "Sanctions will lead to the downfall of Putin" is PR, the real reason is "Hey Russia is finally trying to modernize it's military, let's make it where they can't", it's a major reason why next generation projects like the T-14 and SU-57 have been delayed by years with only a dozen or so of each made so far.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin to discuss the war. Israel is the only Western aligned nation to have good relations with Russia and Ukraine, the PM has offered to host talks in Jerusalem but neither Putin or Zelensky were up for it. Israel has condemned the invasion but has not done anything of substance against Russia. This could be a sign of peace talks on the horizon or something else. Something notable: Bennet is Shabbat observant and doesn't fly on planes/ride in cars unless it's matters of literally life and death. He believes he has a chance to influence this war or else he would have waited until sunday.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

According to Russians with Attitude, so take it with a grain of salt, the evacuation buses out of Volnovakha are being fired upon by Ukrainians, for context thats where the Sparta commander died. All their reporters and sources say the fighting there is about to get worse, and it is the Ukrainians going hard on them.
As per usual though:

So either side is lying. I will say that RWA had reports out earlier than the official news stations.
Point is, whoever fired first on a civilian evacuation during a ceasefire is going to look really bad, and if its the Ukies that really did it, expect Olympic style mental gymnastics in the next few hours, if they even admit their chosen boys did it.

 

[pen burger]

Just spitballin' and speculatin' -

What if provoking Russia to war was the point?

The US war propaganda machine was spinning up in 2016 to go to war in Syria, and it was pretty obvious that fighting Russia there was going to be part of the fun. That was cut short by Trump's election, which was treated as a catastrophe by the US government. The government then accelerated anti-Russian propaganda, accusing them of everything from power outages to having subverted the Office of the President itself. After failing to have the President removed for treason due to the laughably bad quality of their frame-up job, they later tried to have him removed again for exposing corruption in Ukraine.

The same officials involved in all of this have been behind what, to me, looks like bewilderingly stupid diplomacy in Ukraine. But the reality is, these people have been stoking conflict with Russia since at least 2014. Given how fast all these sanctions spun up, maybe cutting Russia out of their global cool kids' club is a much older goal, and they've been probing around for an opportunity to make doing so politically popular. Washington didn't just sanction Russia; they organized a total excision of Russians from participation in anything we have the slightest bit of control over. As we see, ordinary Americans are taking a hit. Our businesses are being disrupted, oil and gas are going up, and we're generally being made somewhat worse off. So they needed political capital for this, and what better than an "unprovoked" invasion of a "democracy" by a country that "interfered in our 2016 election?"

I don't really know why this would be their goal, but maybe this is what they wanted.

This is bewilderingly insane and retarded and seemingly totally accurate.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

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Official Ukraine account asking for foreign nationals to help fight

I love how these faggots expect the rest of the world to completely fuck up their economies and have us pay $10 a gallon in gas and 4 bucks for a loaf of bread just so their corrupt oligarch-ran government can continue to exist.

 

[Simpadoo]

Gabb is getting hit with outages now
Expect an influx of Little Gay Nikki Fuentes edge lord 14 year olds

It couldn’t possibly be because Durbo, the grifter, has a shit programmer, could it?

 

[Mussi]

The Prime Minister of Israel is meeting with Putin in the Kremlin to discuss the war. Israel is the only Western aligned nation to have good relations with Russia and Ukraine, the PM has offered to host talks in Jerusalem but neither Putin or Zelensky were up for it. Israel has condemned the invasion but has not done anything of substance against Russia. This could be a sign of peace talks on the horizon or something else. Something notable: Bennet is Shabbat observant and doesn't fly on planes/ride in cars unless it's matters of literally life and death. He believes he has a chance to influence this war or else he would have waited until sunday.

I think that three things will have to happen before Putin considers peace: Kyiv needs to be surrounded, Kharkiv needs to be properly bypassed, and the Ukrainian Donbas forces need to be completely, 100% cut off. The Crimean Front is already a success for Putin, so I think that he most likely sees that as a bargaining chip. He needs to have a good position to ensure Ukrainian neutrality in perpetuity, take as much of Novorossiya as possible, and get some leverage against sanctions.

 

[Da Grim Reaper]

Anyone here listened to the leaked call of Putin and Shoigu?