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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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NPR reporter commenting on how defense people in Ukraine are against photos and video being taken of anything. Feels a little noteworthy since I've seen some odd people (guys like Thernovich) suggesting the conflict was being fictionalized due to a lack of video of the actual firefights coming out, when they're probably not wanting to giveaway information to Russia that could help get them killed.
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Considering the Russians are mainly relying on attacks from afar, footage of actual firefights is rare. But it exists.

Also I don't think people's first thought when entering a combat zone is "let's strap a GoPro to my head."

 
I kind of understand simping for Russia, to a degree, though I disapprove it.
These Westerners are sick of increasing authoritarianism in their respective countries, woke bullshit, propaganda and dishonest politicians, and want to get back at them somehow. They vicariously live out their revenge against the "Globohomo" through Putin.
It's just that if your tool of revenge is an unjust war by an authoritarian state against its neighbor, whose perceived offense is simply wanting to forge their own future, separate from the nation that seeks to enslave it, war that claimed thousands of lives in just over one week, with children and women among them... You should really take a moment to reflect.

Believe me, it's not all that complex. People sometimes are overdoing it with skepticism and just go full contrarian.
Which I get too, people are just so beaten down and demoralized by globohomo that Putin looks like a powerful counterweight to their bullshit. At some point though it's like being some Asian cheering on the Imperial Japanese for liberating you from the western colonialists even as the Japanese start to rape and pillage worse than they ever did and it's really annoying seeing Populist Inc types switch from DO NOT COMPLY bravado to seething that Ukrainians are daring to fight back against a foreign invader. Don't they know this isn't owning the neolibs?
 
Convoy still having problems I guess.
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Trent Telenko coming up with theories/fantasies about what's going on, suggesting they're running out of fuel or having dead batteries due to keeping the radios going. Which maybe that's why they're firing off rockets rather than getting into regular firefights? Be a tad goofy if the reason for not that many regular firefights is that their soldiers got stuck in traffic.

 
Unlikely allies:

Germany and Israel share "common goal to end war in Ukraine as soon as possible"​

The German government issued a statement early Sunday following German Chancellor Olaf Scholz's meeting with Israel's Prime Minister Naftali Bennett in Berlin.

The focus of their 90-minute meeting were the results of talks between Bennett and Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday in Moscow, according to German government spokesman Steffen Hebestreit.

In a statement posted to Twitter, Hebestreit said the leaders of Germany and Israel agreed to stay in close contact and that "a common goal remains to end the war in Ukraine as soon as possible."

"We will work on that with all our might," the statement added.

War in Ukraine will have "severe impact on the global economy," IMF warns​

The International Monetary Fund said on Saturday it would bring Ukraine's request for $1.4 billion in emergency financing to its executive board as early as next week.

Countries with close economic ties to Russia are also at risk for shortages and supply disruptions, the IMF added. It is in talks with neighboring Moldova for aid options.

"The ongoing war and associated sanctions will also have a severe impact on the global economy," the IMF said.
After a meeting Friday led by Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva, the IMF said there were serious economic consequences in the region. Energy and wheat prices have surged, adding to the effects of inflation from the pandemic and global supply chain disruptions.

"Price shocks will have an impact worldwide, especially on poor households for whom food and fuel are a higher proportion of expenses," the IMF said in a statement. "Should the conflict escalate, the economic damage would be all the more devastating."
The IMF said the effects of sanctions on Russia would also spill into other countries.

Monetary authorities throughout the world will have to carefully monitor rising prices in their nations, it added, and policies should be implemented to protect economically vulnerable households.

Ukraine, whose airports have been damaged and are now closed, will face significant reconstruction costs, according to the IMF. The organization said earlier this week the country has $2.2 billion available between now and June from a previously approved standby arrangement.


Mayor of Ukrainian city Mariupol speaks of dire situation, no power or water, no way to collect the dead​


Vadym Boichenko, the mayor of the southern Ukrainian city of Mariupol, has painted a grim picture of life in the city.

"The situation is very complicated," Boichenko said in an interview on a YouTube channel Saturday. "The Russian army has already put up a blockade on the humanitarian corridor. We have a lot of social problems, which all the Russians have created."

Boichenko said the city, which has a population of nearly 400,000, has been without power for five days. "All our thermal substations rely on this power supply, so accordingly, we are without heat," he said.

Boichenko said there are no mobile networks, and "since the attack on Mariupol, we lost our reserve water supply, and so we are totally without water now. "

"[The Russian army] is working to besiege the city and set up a blockade," he said. "They want to cut us off from the humanitarian corridor, shutting down the delivery of essential goods, medical supplies, even baby food. Their goal is to choke the city and place it under an unbearable stress."

Boichenko said the "wounded and dead over these past five days number in the dozens. By the eighth day, there were hundreds. Now, we are already talking about thousands.

"These figures are only going to get worse," Boichenko said. "But this is the sixth straight day of airstrikes and we are not able to get out to recover the dead.

"They say they want to save Ukrainians from being killed by the Ukrainian [state] but they are the ones doing the killing," Boichenko said. "Listen, our brave doctors have been saving lives here now for 10 straight days. They live and sleep at our hospitals with their families."

Boichenko talked about the humanitarian corridor, which had been cancelled Saturday.

"We had 50 buses full of fuel, and we were just waiting for a ceasefire and for the roads to open so we can get people out of here," he said. "But now we are down to just 30 buses. We hid those buses in another location, away from the shelling, and lost another 10 there. So we are down to 20.

"So, when this humanitarian corridor finally opens to us tomorrow or whenever, we may not have any buses left to evacuate the people."

Boichenko said saving the city was out of the question. "The only task now is to open up the humanitarian corridor to Mariupol at any cost.

"All these talks are lies," he said. "All this is being done, I will repeat for the thousandth time, to destroy us as a nation."

Boichenko insisted morale in Mariupol was strong but they are "just hanging on."

"We are holding out hope that maybe tomorrow at the crack of dawn, perhaps a tiny dewdrop of love will splash down on the people of this city," he said.

"The city of Mariupol has ceased to exist," Boichenko told the YouTube interviewer, "at least the city that you once saw."


Shell Oil commits profits from Russian oil purchase to Ukrainian refugees​

Shell Oil, Europe’s largest oil company, has said it will donate the profits from a recent purchase of Russian crude oil to a fund designed to help Ukrainian refugees following criticism from Ukraine's foreign minister.

“We will commit profits from the limited amount of Russian oil we have to purchase to a dedicated fund," the company said in a statement. "We will work with aid partners and humanitarian agencies over the coming days and weeks to determine where the monies from this fund are best placed to alleviate the terrible consequences that this war is having on the people of Ukraine.”
Shell Oil purchased the oil at a significant discount, saying it had to in order to meet and satisfy purchase orders from prior to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Dmytro Kuleba, Ukraine's foreign minister, said the oil smelled of "Ukrainian blood" in a Saturday tweet.

"I call on all conscious people around the globe to demand multinational companies to cut all business ties with Russia," he said.



Town near Kyiv "almost completely destroyed," according to Ukrainian official​


Oleksiy Kuleba, head of Kyiv's Regional State Administration, said a town northwest of Kyiv is "almost completely destroyed."

"There's no water and electricity there ... There is no Borodyanka. It is almost completely destroyed. The city center is just awful. Borodyanka is under the influence of Russian troops; they control this settlement," Kuleba said.
Kuleba claimed earlier today on his Telegram account that Russian troops appeared to take over a psychiatric hospital there with hundreds of patients, but they have now left. Russian forces are still in the immediate area, he said.

"These people are mostly sick, they are mostly people with special needs. But these are our people and we cannot and will never leave them," Kuleba said earlier.

“Today we do not understand how to evacuate these people, how to help them,” he said, adding that they were running out of medicine and water.

Following a missile attack on a large apartment block in Borodyanka on March 2, the Ukrainian State Emergency Service told CNN yesterday that people may still be trapped in the wreckage of the building. Borodyanka has seen persistent shelling over the past few days, as have small towns


Israel's prime minister met with Putin in Moscow, official says​

Israel’s Prime Minister Naftali Bennett met for about three hours Saturday with Russia’s President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, according to an Israeli official.

The unannounced meeting took place with the blessing of the US administration, the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement.

The Israeli official said that Bennett’s diplomatic push was also coordinated with Germany and France and added that the Israeli leader “is in ongoing dialogue with Ukraine.”

Bennett also spoke with Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky on Saturday following his meeting with Putin.

Ukraine's ambassador to Israel told CNN that Ukrainian leadership was informed in advance of Bennett's meeting with Putin and had been supportive of it.

Following the conclusion of the Moscow meeting, Bennett is now en route to Berlin for a meeting with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, the Israeli official said.

Three days ago, Bennett held separate phone conversations with both Putin and Zelensky.

Zelensky has appealed to Israel to mediate efforts to bring about a ceasefire.

While Israel has condemned Russia’s invasion in comments by Foreign Minister Yair Lapid, Bennett himself has avoided direct criticism of Russia or Putin.

Israel has sought to maintain good relations with Russia in recent years so it can continue air strikes against Iranian targets in Syria – which Israel regards as critical to prevent the transfer of precision-guided missile technology to Hezbollah.


Russia says "offensive operations" have resumed in areas where evacuation corridors were agreed upon​

The Russian defense ministry said its forces have resumed their offensive in Mariupol and Volnovakha, where evacuation corridors had been arranged between Ukraine and Russia.

In a statement to Russian news agency TASS, the ministry said that "not a single civilian was able to leave Mariupol and Volnovakha along the announced security corridors."

"The population of these cities is being held by nationalist formations as human shields. The nationalist battalions took advantage of the silence to regroup and strengthen their positions," said Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, spokesman for the Russian defense ministry.

"Due to the unwillingness of the Ukrainian side to influence the nationalists or to extend the ceasefire, offensive operations have been resumed from 18:00 Moscow time," Konashenkov said.

More background: The Russian defense ministry said earlier on Saturday it would stop bombarding Mariupol and Volnovakha, which have endured days of heavy, indiscriminate shelling.

Residents there have hunkered down in basements without power and with limited supplies of food and water, volunteers gathering information from the ground told CNN.

But just a few hours after the announcement to pause fire, a top Ukrainian regional official accused Russia of breaking its agreement and evacuations were ceased.

 
Given the Russians can't manage to occupy some shithole country on their borders I don't think they would do very well trying to take Alaska. Does Russia even have a functional Navy?
Depends on your definition of functional. On paper they have a fairly sizeable fleet, but most of it is ex-Soviet Navy shit, and the Navy was always the red headed step child of the Soviet Military. Since the end of the USSR they've launched 3 SSGNs, a couple of Akulas, and no surface ships bigger than a frigate. Checking wiki it seems like half of their ships are currently down for refits, and given the observed training/equipment/maintenance issues the rest of their forces are experiencing there's no reason not to suspect the rest of them wouldn't be suffering similar issues, since just like the USSR, the Navy is the lowest priority of the branches.
 
Wendover Productions made a new video on the failed logistics of Russia's invasion. Interestingly enough, I didn't know that Russia relied so heavily on their rail line network in order to build up the troops that they did on their own soil.
Given the distances involved the rail system is still the best way to move a lot of heavy freight from one point to another. It is roughly the same for Uncle Sam [U.S. military] moving stuff and especially armor around within the continental United States.
 
Visa and MasterCard sanctions: https://www.reuters.com/business/fi...ions-russia-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-03-05/

Within days, all transactions initiated with Visa cards issued within Russia will no longer work outside of the country and any Visa cards issued outside of the Russia will no longer work within the country, the company said.

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Mastercard said its cards issued by Russian banks will no longer be supported by Mastercard networks, an any the company's card issued outside of the Russia will not work at Russian merchants or ATMs.

So, I fully admit that Im not knowledgable about how international credit card transactions and accounting works, but since they've given a few days notice, what's to stop Russians from doing cash withdrawals on any remaining credit, then just never paying back Visa or Mastercard?

"What are you going to do? You don't even operate in my country anymore, globofags."
 
As I said before, conquering Ukraine will be the easy part as compared to quashing all insurgencies that will pop up. They're already exerting themselves toppling the official government. Once they start dealing with hit-and-run attacks and insurgencies up the ass, that's when you'll see Russian casualties pile up, and the Russian army withdraw. Putin might end up just nuking Ukraine to deny it to the West.

I originally predicted that they'd easily win against the official Ukrainian government, then suffer casualties from rag-tag insurgent groups and be driven out, Afghanistan-style. But if they're having this much trouble with fighting a legitimate government, when they face the insurgents, they'll be completely screwed.


No it isn't. Putin was well on his way to being able to strong-arm Sleepy Joe and the Ukrainians to make a concession. Instead, he invaded, and made his army look weak in front of the rest of the world. That didn't intimidate NATO, that made them hungry for a fight.
I think the absolute most they can hope for is formal recognition of Crimea and the breakaway republics. There is no way a puppet government or any new territorial annexation lasts.
 
Holyshit, big if true
White House weighs three-way deal to get fighter jets to Ukraine

Poland wants to donate its old MiGs to Ukraine. But there’s a catch — it needs U.S. jets.

The U.S. remains in discussions with Poland to potentially backfill their fleet of fighter planes if Warsaw decides to transfer its used MiG-29s to Ukraine, four U.S. officials tell POLITICO.

The ongoing talks, as President Volodymyr Zelenskyy pleads with Congress for help, underscore the frantic push to find weapons to equip Ukrainian forces as they continue to fight off the massive Russian invasion.

As Poland weighed sending its warplanes to Ukraine last week, Warsaw asked the White House if the Biden administration could guarantee it would provide them with U.S.-made fighter jets to fill the gap. The White House said it would look into the matter. The Biden administration didn’t oppose the Polish government giving Kyiv the MiGs, which could potentially escalate tensions between NATO and Moscow. Poland, for now, has held on to its fighter jets.

Discussions between Warsaw and Washington are still underway, though authorization for new, replacement fighter jets to Poland could take a long time.

“We are working with the Poles on this issue and consulting with the rest of our NATO allies,” a White House spokesperson told POLITICO. “We are also working on the capabilities we could provide to backfill Poland if it decided to transfer planes to Ukraine.”

Several Eastern European countries like Poland, Bulgaria and Slovakia retain dozens of Russian-made aircraft in their inventories and have been hesitant to give up those planes without guarantees from the U.S. that they could replace them.

Poland has been modernizing its aircraft fleet since 2006, when it first started flying F-16s, and in 2020 signed a $4.6 billion deal for 32 F-35s, the first of which will arrive in 2024, making those older Russian-made planes expendable.

The issue of sending aircraft into the fight is more complex than the effort underway by over two dozen European countries to send anti-armor and anti-air defensive weapons to Ukraine. A steady stream of U.S. and British military planes have been landing in Poland in recent days filled with those missiles, along with other munitions, rations, and small arms and ammunition.

Over the past several weeks the U.S. has sent 12,000 troops to Europe to backstop nervous allies along NATO’s Eastern front, the majority of which went to Poland to join the 4,000 U.S. troops already stationed there. The troops are conducting training missions with the Polish military, and could be called on to assist with a humanitarian emergency if the flood of war refugees overwhelms Polish and E.U. authorities.

The White House has “in no way opposed Poland transferring planes to Ukraine,” the spokesperson added, pointing out how difficult an operation it would be to get the planes into Ukraine. Russian officials have pledged to attack any convoys carrying weapons entering the country.

The issue of transferring American F-16s to Poland is a complex one, given the sensitive avionics on American planes that may not always be legal to transfer overseas.

After Zelenskyy’s impassioned Zoom call with senators on Saturday, during which he urged the U.S. to send planes, drones and Stinger missiles to Ukraine and impose oil sanctions on Russia, Sens. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) sent a letter to President Joe Biden throwing their full support behind backfilling Poland with F-16s if they were to hand over their Russian planes, saying they would work to ensure there was funding to finance the transfer.

The on-again, off-again effort to get MiGs into Ukraine started last weekend, when European Union security chief Josep Borrell made the startling announcement that several countries would soon ship fighter jets to the border for transfer to Ukraine’s armed forces.

Ukrainian officials told POLITICO at the time that several of their pilots had already arrived in Poland for the handoff, but the deal stalled out. Bulgaria and Slovakia also rejected the idea, and the Ukrainian pilots left empty-handed.

The U.S. has already shipped $240 million of the $350 million in military assistance Biden approved recently, with the rest expected to arrive in the coming days.
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I think the absolute most they can hope for is formal recognition of Crimea and the breakaway republics. There is no way a puppet government or any new territorial annexation lasts.
Exactly. That's the best deal Russia can get. In fact, if they didn't launch this invasion, they could have probably gotten it as a concession from the EU on the bargaining table, in exchange for lower oil and natural gas prices. If I were Putin, that's what I would've done.
 
So WWIII’s an inevitability at this point?
Not until either the US or China directly send troops, or Putin retaliate by sending troops to other countries. There's also the nuclear retaliation attack as well, but that's even more unlikely

The way I see it, Poland and the US probably going to justify this like sending javelins and such. A huge reach, I know. But its Soviet/Russian planes, so its not like Ukraine receiving American planes or anything

If it does happen, its going to change the situation severely. It has been proven that the airspace supremacy is still being contested, and Ukraine receiving planes could greatly tip the balance to their side
 
So, I fully admit that Im not knowledgable about how international credit card transactions and accounting works, but since they've given a few days notice, what's to stop Russians from doing cash withdrawals on any remaining credit, then just never paying back Visa or Mastercard?
Visa and Mastercard aren't banks, they're payment networks. When you withdraw a cash advance, it's coming out of whatever bank issued your card. You may or may not want to burn your relationship with your bank.

*The cash advance limit is usually much lower than the credit limit, too.
 
China opposes any move that adds 'fuel to the flames'

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke earlier by phone with Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi, who said Beijing opposes any moves that “add fuel to the flames” in Ukraine, according to the Chinese Foreign Ministry and as reported by the Associated Press.

Yi said the “evolution” of the situation in Ukraine is “something China does not want to see,” adding that the Ukraine crisis should be solved through “dialogue and negotiation” and called on the United States, Nato, and the European Union to engage in “equal dialogue” with Russia. He said they should “pay attention to the negative impact of Nato’s continuous eastward expansion on Russia’s security.”

“China supports all efforts conducive to de-escalation and political settlement of the situation, while opposing any moves which are adverse to promoting a diplomatic solution and add fuel to the flames,” Wang said.

With international outrage and sanctions mounting against Russia, Beijing is scrambling to avoid being tainted by association with Moscow while also maintaining their increasingly close ties.

Once Cold War rivals, China and Russia have moved increasingly closer since Xi Jinping took power nearly a decade ago, driven by their shared desire to confront US power.

According to Agence France-Presse, China seems to have been “caught flat-footed” by Russia’s military offensive, fierce Ukrainian resistance, and the volume of the resulting international anti-Kremlin backlash.

The situation has effectively paralysed China, according to Richard Ghiasy, an expert at the Hague Centre for Strategic Studies.

“Security interests virtually always trump economic interests” in China’s calculus, and it will not fundamentally shift toward a more pro-Ukraine stance, he told AFP.

Russia is “a giant, nuclear-armed and resource-rich neighbour” that China won’t risk agitating, Ghiasy said.

Beijing, which has long demanded respect for territorial integrity in border disputes with its own neighbours, has been forced into rhetorical contortions on Ukraine to avoid upsetting Russia.

While maintaining lip service to national sovereignty, China has insisted that Moscow’s security concerns regarding Ukraine and the broader expansion of the US-led North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) are valid.
 
Putin was well on his way to being able to strong-arm Sleepy Joe and the Ukrainians to make a concession.

In September 2020, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy approved Ukraine’s new National Security Strategy, which provides for the development of the distinctive partnership with NATO with the aim of membership in NATO.


Dec 2021

The Russian demands include a ban on Ukraine entering Nato and a limit to the deployment of troops and weapons to Nato’s eastern flank, in effect returning Nato forces to where they were stationed in 1997, before an eastward expansion.

January 2022

Top United States and Russian diplomats have made no major breakthrough in Geneva but they have agreed to keep talking to try to resolve a heated stand-off over Ukraine that has stoked fears of a military conflict.

February 2022

Russian President Vladimir Putin says the US and its allies have ignored Russia's top security demands but Moscow remains open to more talks with the West to ease soaring tensions over Ukraine.

Mr Putin said it was possible to negotiate an end to the stand-off if the interests of all parties, including Russia's security concerns, were taken into account.

He deplored the Western allies' refusal to consider the Kremlin's demands for a guarantee that NATO will not expand to Ukraine, will not deploy weapons near the Russian border, and will roll back its forces from Eastern Europe.
 
Russian President Vladimir Putin says the US and its allies have ignored Russia's top security demands but Moscow remains open to more talks with the West to ease soaring tensions over Ukraine.

Mr Putin said it was possible to negotiate an end to the stand-off if the interests of all parties, including Russia's security concerns, were taken into account.
To translate this from Politician to English, Putin was willing to back down, if the West agreed to his terms, and any other circumstances were off the table. Dumb move to deny yourself or your opponent any wiggle room when it comes to negotiations. Moron boxed himself into a corner making demands of NATO. He was an idiot to think if NATO, an organization expressly formed out of fears of Russian expansionism and domination of Eastern Europe post-WW2, would accede to Russian demands and withdraw support from its members... especially since one of said places he wished us gone from was Poland, both one of the few 2% contributors and the place most betrayed by the West following the end of WW2.
 
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