Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Seems stupid to risk a SU-34 to save on your guided bomb stocks.

You seriously underestimate the intelligence of the Russian military...because they did exactly that yesterday.

So regarding that SU-34 that just got down, the most advanced fighter bomber in the Russian airforce, was carrying dumb bombs designed in the 60s, so either Russia doesn't care about civilians, they're running out of smart bombs, or a mixture of both.
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[The Last Boyscout]

It would be insane to see Ukraine divided into two a-la Berlin DDR/FDR. But considering that Luhansk and Donetsk are "Republics" (despite not being recognized) I wouldn't be surprised if Russia managed to pull such shit in the 21st century.
One part of Ukraine is ruled by Russia-China, the other by the US-EU.
To be fairly honest, despite being very disrespectful to see Ukraine being torn apart, that seems to be a great solution to this issue.
The war stops, one part goes to the EU, the other doesn't, everybody gets what they want. It worked with Yugoslavia with Serbia and Republika Srpska, why can't Ukraine and Russia?

it might work, but without regime change from internal strife on either side it will never happen. this isn't a situation where NATO can just come in and bomb the shit out of the enemy without any worry and with impunity, then dictate terms however it likes to a region whose natural resources and worth is pretty limited. there's a lot of money and prestige to be had this time around. and because of how quickly and how much the west has decided to demonize all of russia and holding all russians responsible, as opposed to just Putin, it will never consider a peace deal like this because it would mean compromising with LITERALLY HIT, erm... PUTLER!

the only way we could see something like this turn out would be an official 'cease-fire' situation like with north and south korea. maybe after russia is finally sick of this shit and decides to just call it, while the west keeps 'stanning' for ukraine but never getting directly involved. either that, or regime change happens in russia ofc...or regime change in the USA happens first, which a decade ago would've seemed absurd but uh...your politics is going pretty berserk as of late, so I'm not entirely ruling it out lol.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Can't have Zelinski as a "white" male though. Got to be a black tranny.

So "Michelle" Obama then.

Nah China is going under with the rest of us. They're making hay while we dwindle but the collapse of the current system will collapse China's house of cards too.

The CCP maybe. China itself, no. Chinese culture is too ingrained in them to ever disappear and even the Cultural Revolution had limited success in meddling with their culture. This can be seen in their abiding love of their classical literature (inbetween jingoist anti-Japanese programming).

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Interesting post regarding the effects on the aviation industry of all these airspace blocks and fuel price rises. TLDR Turks might benefit

Erdogan watching this go down

 

[Very_sad_man]

 

[b0x]

Vlad seriously needs to declare victory and go home.

And then what? All is forgiven? NATO disbands?

 

[Vince McMahon]

the only way we could see something like this turn out would be an official 'cease-fire' situation like with north and south korea.

Any potential way for this to happen is for Putin to occupy at least the complete half. It's victory or nothing for him. He insists that he wants to meet his goal of "demilitarization" and "denazifiction".

No ceasefires. The worst is also not off the table, that is, the nukes.

 

[Corpun]

I have unconfirmed sources telling me Russia is sending in the tomboys now, hoping for one final push before they fall to the Ukrainian counter offensive.

 

[Lone MacReady]

>Russia declares new laws against fake news
>Every western journoscum instantly drops everything and flees Russia

You love to see it.

Reminds me of the CNN cunnus forced to wear a full burka in Afghanistan after PedoJoe's controlled demolition of the situation.

 

[Ted_Logan]

Here have cringe:

Spoiler: titties

 

[hooboy]

Interesting post regarding the effects on the aviation industry of all these airspace blocks and fuel price rises. TLDR Turks might benefit
Source
"Apparently, we (we - not in the sense of citizens of Russia, but the whole world) are waiting for a grand redistribution of the aviation market and the world map of flights. Moreover, unprecedented in scale and depth, since 1946."

Spoiler: longer

The coronavirus has already dealt a powerful blow to civil aviation in 2020, and Artem Drabkin and I even made a video about it at Taktik-Media. At the end of 2020, the ranking of world airports has undergone huge changes and the Moscow hub (3 airports) has reached the 1st place in Europe and in the top 10 in the world, which has never happened at all. Then the European hubs suffered the most (especially the hub of London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Paris), and the USA, Russia and China strengthened due to the large internal communication. But the Trans-Siberian corridor was not closed to anyone, and transcontinental flights with the highest profit margin still worked.

In February 2022, global aviation experienced a second blow, even more powerful. With the start of the Ukrainian special operation, the EU countries and the States banned the flights of Russian airlines and recalled leasing aircraft (which they refused to give back). The Trans-Siberian corridor was closed in response to all "sanctions" countries in a mirror image. This means that the time for flights increases by 2-5 hours, respectively (depending on the take-off airport) and costs by 15-35%. As a result of the sharp rise in oil prices, jet fuel will soon become much more expensive and costs will rise further.

Therefore, the air sanctions initiated by the EU countries are shooting in the foot for both sides. It will be bad for Russia, but it will be even worse for European long-distance lines: most of them will close. The first signs have already appeared:
The Finnish airline Finnair Oyj sends 90 to 200 pilots and 150 to 450 flight attendants on forced unpaid leave. The reason is the retaliatory closure of the skies over Russia for the passage of Finnish aircraft, which is why the company incurs huge losses. In addition, some flights to the Asia-Pacific region were canceled, which provided up to 50% of the air carrier's profit.

In this situation, the main beneficiary will be the airlines of Turkey, the Middle East and China. And the Istanbul air hub has every chance of becoming the No. 1 hub of all of Europe and entering the Top 5 in the world, after Atlanta, Shanghai and Beijing. So the redistribution of the market has already begun before our eyes.

I found an informative video that covers most of these points here look.

 

[naffatune]

Something that sorta bums me out is the lack of videos showing dead Ukrainian soldiers on Russian telegrams.

That's not to say that I'm a staunch pro-Rus guy; it's just to say that if there's very little videos about that, it means that there's no concrete proof of deaths on the Ukie side.

I realize that Russian soldiers don't usually post media like that because they're on the winning side, and so they have nothing to prove. Also, to do such things would mean giving away their positions, so when they take photos of the dead, they stick to taking photos of those that they killed in the rural areas outside a city, which are usually generic environments that are hard to geolocate, kind of like taking a selfie in front of a white wall so you don't get doxed easily. The same thing goes when Russians want to take pics of destroyed or captured Ukie vehicles.

The only video of dead Ukie soldiers that I posted was taken by other Ukie soldiers. Speaking of Ukies, they're obviously very fond of taking or posting videos and photos of dead Russians and their destroyed/captured convoys. Just go on pro-Ukrainian Twitters like @666_mancer, @worldonalert and others, and you'll see what I mean.

If you ask me why I think Ukies post more vids like this, it's probably because generating the perception that they're winning the war matters much more than keeping their positions completely secret. If they can generate this kind of perception, it's much easier for the Zelensky's International Legion to get foreign volunteers.

So, if you happen to see an account that posts dead Ukie soldiers, let me know. I've scoured through lots of Rus telegram accounts and I couldn't find anything significant. This basically leaves the count of Ukrainian army casualties up to my imagination, and as of now, I think they're in deep trouble.

Videos of dead soldiers are the most concrete forms of proof for casualties in a war. You can fake being an enemy soldier and getting captured. You can't fake lying on the floor with your limbs awkwardly bent, blood dripping from your temple and your guts hanging out.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Here have cringe

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I still have yet to figure out what they think showing their tits accomplishes. I mean I'm not gonna bitch to much, because hey, tits.

 

[Matt Damon]

Here have cringe

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"Stop the war or we'll keep showing you our tits!"

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

"Stop the war or we'll keep showing you our tits!"

Best incentive for forever war I've heard yet.

 

[Vince McMahon]

I realize that Russian soldiers don't usually post media like that because they're on the winning side, and so they have nothing to prove.

By that account, the reason why Russians relished in posting Ukrainian gore when Donbas was hot is that they were losing? That's a retarded assumption.

 

[Sammich]

Zelensky is still doing what he usually does:
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I does my head in how anyone can openly support this slimy rat. If they are telling you what they are gonna do, perhaps.. MAYBE.. get your fucking civs out of the area? No? You just want to be able to grandstand on their smoldering remains? Okay then.

 

[Niggaplease]

Here have cringe

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you know shits getting real when a bunch of wahmain take off their tops in protest and take to body painting their boobs.

 

[MindYourSeabiscuits]

Going with @Spicey McHaggis here. I tend to doubt it. This contingency may not have even entered the Russians'/Belarusians' minds. They expected a walkover. Not happening. Starting to turn into another Finland for the Russians.

Vlad seriously needs to declare victory and go home.

How is this in anyway turning into another Finland? They are consistently taking more and more territory and have essentially surrounded the bulk of Ukrainian forces.

 

[MrJokerRager]

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With the 10th VDV counterattack everything will be alright.
Gonna stockpile your Bananas

I wonder if the favorite videogame for the VDV is Medal of Honor Airborne and got a false impression of how good the allies were at it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_of_Honor:_Airborne

Also this map looks like a gerrymandered map lol.

But how do military planners decide what areas to take and what to ignore.

Like all those red shaded areas don't mean they all are automatically taking orders from Moscow and Im sure some Russian troops never even step foot in some red shaded areas.

So how does that work?