Lolcow James Lloyd Evans / Lloyd Evans / John Cedars / The Reluctant Apostate / JWWatch / @cedarsjwsurvey - Self-appointed figurehead of ex-JWs, anti-sex abuse campaigner who spends his donations on hookers because he lacks "total mastery of his penis"

[Blewberry Nausea]

I knew a pair of twin darkies who were JWs as a kid. Never seemed particularly weird from what I remember though they never had birthdays or anything. We played just like normal kids.

 

[Alex Krycek]

Something I’ve always known about them was that they get very uncomfortable when you know more about biblical theology than they do. These JW missionaries used to come over a lot. It’s no secret I’m Eastern Orthodox. I’d talk theology with them and bring up a lot of terms used in early theology and it made them reall uncomfortable.

@Captain Manning Jehovah is still acceptable, especially among some crowds of Protestant Caribbeans but yeah generally it’s not used much except by people with an education on real theology.

 

[Pee Cola]

One of the things you learn about the JWs is they either adopt, or continue to adhere to, translations that are not, or no longer, accepted in more mainstream Christianity. Indeed, most scholars think that "Jehovah" is a really shit translation of Yahweh, so you generally won't encounter it much outside of JW stuff, or really outdated translations of the Bible.

So Lloyd has a dash of Melinda Scott in there along with a lot of Russhole? It's just as well he's a Britbong, otherwise I could see yet another long and drawn out bunch of lolsuits coming Null's way once he finds his thread.

 

[Fialovy]

One of the things you learn about the JWs is they either adopt, or continue to adhere to, translations that are not, or no longer, accepted in more mainstream Christianity.

That is because their version of the Bible that they use, known as the New World Translation is exactly that. It was made by people who don't understand how ancient Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic work at all and linguistics in general.

 

[RodgerDodger]

It makes me wonder if there are any ex-Mormons who are this insane, they have to be out there. I am very interested in Christian and pseudo-Christian type cults so this was definitely a treat

You’ve seen the Russel Greer thread, right?

 

[murgatroid]

I once had a pleasant and interesting conversation with a JW on the phone when they cold called our house. I talked to them for like 40 minutes about religion and the afterlife because I was bored and genuinely like talking about that stuff.

The next day this chick shows up at my parents house uninvited to talk to me (I also happened to be 16 at the time so a minor).

Never gave her the address and our number was unlisted.

It was freaky.

My non-JW mother let them indoctrinate me for hours/days as a kid because it was a free babysitter.

 

[Drama Fan]

Also, now I have an excuse to talk about Caleb and Sophia!
It's a special treat because the people who talk about it are often themselves very cringe as well.

Oh god, I remember finding these the Caleb and Sophia videos in college and going down that rabbit hole one afternoon. I legit was late to work because of them.

 

[NoReturn]

Oh god, I remember finding these the Caleb and Sophia videos in college and going down that rabbit hole one afternoon. I legit was late to work because of them.

Jehova hates wizards. Do you really want to play with something that Jehova hates? Don't you want to be Jehova's friend?

 

[Overcast]

I knew about Jehova’s Witnesses, but I never knew they were this cultish. Holy shit.

 

[NoReturn]

The evidence in the Bible against it is that there were a plural number of nails driven through Jesus' wrists, and they affixed the "King of the Jews" notification over his head, and not his hands.

How does that make sense? It's above his head either way.

That right. I used a 2000 year old meme. Get dunked on, Alexamenos.

I knew about Jehova’s Witnesses, but I never knew they were this cultish. Holy shit.

You have much to learn.

If you don't watch anything else I've linked, watch the section about Jeptha's daughter that starts at 3:22 in the 3rd video.

 

[murgatroid]

It's basically what @NoReturn just said. They believe Jesus died on a "torture stake," because they believe stauros can only mean stake. Consequently, Watchtower artwork depicts as such. Although, I don't know if if specifically calculated to avoid idolatry or they actually believe it.

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The evidence in the Bible against it is that there were a plural number of nails driven through Jesus' wrists, and they affixed the "King of the Jews" notification over his head, and not his hands.

One of the things you learn about the JWs is they either adopt, or continue to adhere to, translations that are not, or no longer, accepted in more mainstream Christianity. Indeed, most scholars think that "Jehovah" is a really shit translation of Yahweh, so you generally won't encounter it much outside of JW stuff, or really outdated translations of the Bible. Elsewhere, it's always Yahweh, God, Lord, him, etc. Meanwhile, my neighbor friend used to always tell me "Jehovah loves you" instead of "Jesus (or God) loves you." They insist that is the name of god, and it has to be used every time you refer to him. It's weird.

There is also huge historical precedent for the cross as an execution method. And the many christian martyrs who asked to be executed in a different manner out of respect and were thus executed upside down like Peter the apostle.

Also, I love how this moron complains that he engaged in cybersex because the JWs sexually repressed him. I mean, okay.... the JW's are controlling weirdos, but you were a married man when you did that. I think pretty much any Christian congregation would frown upon what you did.

I'm pretty sure this guy followed his dick to where the eastern european women were.

 

[Captain Manning]

How does that make sense? It's above his head either way.

I think the argument is that while the sign is indeed above his head in either example, it would be more accurate to say it was directly above his hands in the second.

Plus, you'd only need one nail if you put the wrists on top of one another, but you'd absolutely need two if the arms were outstretched on the cross. John 20:25 specifically mentions nails being driven into his hands. Plural.

I dunno how Jesus was crucified. I'm not gonna tell anybody how he was crucified. I just know the JW version goes against the far more widely accepted version.

If you're interested, he's the official Catholic rebuttal to the JW version of events, which includes the arguments I was told when I was Catholic:

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/jehovahs-witnesses-and-the-cross

 

[Philly Phunk Machine]

One of the things you learn about the JWs is they either adopt, or continue to adhere to, translations that are not, or no longer, accepted in more mainstream Christianity.

I wish Catholics did this; ever since they changed the Nicene Creed going to church has been offputting. The traditional version had a perfectly good flow to it and they needlessly switched it up because of some obscure new translation that came out of nowhere.

 

[NSA]

It's basically what @NoReturn just said. They believe Jesus died on a "torture stake," because they believe stauros can only mean stake. Consequently, Watchtower artwork depicts as such. Although, I don't know if if specifically calculated to avoid idolatry or they actually believe it.

It's a sincere belief, but it ties in nicely with the strong anti-cross, anti idolatry stance. It's also so retarded I think it was the first thing I questioned when I actually questioned my beliefs. How could literally everyone be wrong about the most important event in history? Come on.

Also, I love how this moron complains that he engaged in cybersex because the JWs sexually repressed him. I mean, okay.... the JW's are controlling weirdos, but you were a married man when you did that. I think pretty much any Christian congregation would frown upon what you did.

Their sex and morality stuff is pretty bog standard Christian fare, he is just a whiny pervert. I mean, you can literally just move on with your life, if you're in some sort of anti-JW support group you haven't really escaped now have you. MOVE ON. People like this are absolutely addicted to cultish behavior, they may swing from one side to the other, but their basic nuttiness remains.

Revelation 14:
No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. 4 These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. 5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

I just realized that this passage within JW dogma means there are no women in heaven, only men. That's why it's heaven, amirite boys? Maybe Nick Fuentes should convert.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Jehova hates wizards. Do you really want to play with something that Jehova hates? Don't you want to be Jehova's friend?

Jehovah! Jehovah!

 

[Ratoyan]

Great OP and very intriguing new species of cow

I hesitantly say this, but I would put money on other chat logs being out there from multiple underaged teens if he's been doing this for awhile (since his teens as he mentions BUT I could be/am wrong at this point till further stuff comes out). I feel like he feels safe in admitting a small amount of the truth to test the waters like we have seen and minimize his involvement and its severity. I believe there is merit to him moving due to something like that being uncovered but he keeps cooming the bed everywhere he seems to go and this stuff just follows him. I feel like I'm looking into this too hard though but its just a hunch that many people seem to share.

I wonder if alcohol is his go to under stress, reminds me of Lionmaker and his deranged drunk streams lol. It seems to be the harbinger of his downward spiral currently and in the past.
I just feel a little bad for the people who earnestly thought paying this uncontrolled penis would change something only to find out thousands of dollars is down the drain from his vice.
Cedars is fat and I would not have sex with him

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

My perspective on JW is very negative as in my caribbean hellhole i mostly think of conmen, mobsters and favela niggers since those are the demographics that are exploding in converts right now, theres a hoodlum criminal to witness/evangelical pipeline , I don't really have a positive view of protestant sects in general, they are a bunch of vultures obsessed with scamming low iq niggos. A lot of policemen, military and government cronies are into that too, same for santeria, ironically, they go after the very exact same profile.

They can be spoted annoying people on the subway, i've been approached in line to get food, been called to my home , been visited, i always laughed very rudely in their face and told them to fuck off, so that generally does the trick, except one time i was waiting for a pizza with a friend and they kept trying to engage us.. We ended up giving them fake cellphone numbers just so they go away because fuckers simply would not stop pestering us and leave us be, they kept trying to get us to go with them to one of their congregations nearby regardless of how many times we told them no. It was kinda funny at first and we were sorta lowkey trolling them asking them dumb stuff but got extremely agravating that they kept pushing and would not go away, the lesson is never to engage, is like they take basic courtesy as encouragement.

but we're not going to see an increase in the non-religious because they don't breed.

Religious people can breed, doesn't mean their children will grow up and stay religious, thats really the main factor. In the first world it will probably keep declining as more people get out of the church they were raised into. In south america less people are catholic but more convert to radical protestant sects, new age cults and stuff like santeria or candomble, i think muslims keep growing in numbers too.

 

[Ophelia Rass]

Ex-JW here to PL:

A lot of the “cross stuff” is because the cross is supposedly a borrowed pagan symbol like Easter, and Christmas, which was originally Yule—shepherds may not have been outside in December, Jesus’ birthday was probably in a warmer period and the celebration moved to Saturnalia to convert the pagans. “Both the noun and the verb stauroo, ‘to fasten to a stake or pale,’ are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed ‘cross.’ The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz… the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the ‘cross’ of Christ.” (Link)

Ex-JW activists have long hated this fuckeroo, because they consider him a grifter no different from the cult they left. As for why many of them stay stuck in ex-JW activism, either they’re used to cultish socialization, or they are advocating against sex abuse. It runs rampant. There’s plenty of glowie shit related to the higher ups, and if they dox me that’s only proof.

 

[Overcast]

How does that make sense? It's above his head either way.
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That right. I used a 2000 year old meme. Get dunked on, Alexamenos.


You have much to learn.

If you don't watch anything else I've linked, watch the section about Jeptha's daughter that starts at 3:22 in the 3rd video.

As someone who relatively recently became a Christian, this sort of stuff is kinda fascinating. It's interesting to me how people interpret what God and Jesus want so differently from each other that groups split off from each other entirely and become so radically different from one another.

 

[Call Me Mellow Yellow]

As an exJW I can attest that 1.) The organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is BATSHIT CRAZY 2.) Lloyd Evans is an egotistical prick that cheats on his wife with Thai ladyboys

I knew about Jehova’s Witnesses, but I never knew they were this cultish. Holy shit.

As an exJW I can attest that they benefit greatly from public ignorance. They are an aggressive cult that uses "spiritual warfare" aka total shunning as an emotional blackmail tool to keep people in line.

Frankly, I can't think of anything more pointless than spending years of one's life seething over a religious group that one's no longer involved with. Wouldn't be better to just live one's life based on one's own choices and newfound beliefs now that one's free from the influence of what was supposedly a cult?

What's the point of centering your newfound "freedom" around petty fights on the internet about religious dogmas or adopting an identity that's solely based around not-being something?

I can't state Lloyd's exact motives, but you have to understand just why some former members are such staunch activists.

See, the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses has a global database of pedos in their ranks. They refuse to hand over this info to secular authorities because they know if it is divulged the organization will look really, really bad.

They are actively protecting pedos in their ranks to protect the reputation of Jehovah's organization (lol). Their coverup is allowing pedos to reoffend on literal children. So, yes, this shit should be shouted from the rooftops by whistleblowers.

I'm an exmo. Next time I think my upbringing was insane, I'll look back on here. JWs are next level batshit. No offense, but you are.

At least you got to go to college ...