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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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The "muh Nazis" excuse that the Russians have falls apart when you look at the context:


The far-right Ukrainian "Nazis" constitute a minority in Ukraine's political system, and their president is quite literally a Jew with family members who survived the Nazi Holocaust. Which means the Azov battalion aren't even proper Nazis; they take orders from a Jew who survived the Nazis' attempts to wipe out Jews in Ukraine. They even see Israel as a healthy example of what a state should be:


"More than 40 Israeli human rights activists signed a petition to stop arms sales to Ukraine arguing that Israel is selling military-style Tavor and Negev automatic weapons to the Ukrainian government knowing that some of these arms end up in the hands of the right-wing Azov militia. Despite accusations that the group is antisemitic, some members of the Jewish community in Ukraine support and serve in the Azov Battalion. One of its most prominent members is Nathan Khazin, leader of the "Jewish hundreds" during the 2013 Euromaidan protests in Kyiv. In an interview, Andriy Biletsky explained that he regards Israel and Japan as role models for the development of Ukraine."

No proper Nazi would praise Israel, let alone take orders from a Jewish president or accept Jews into their ranks.
Because Azov aren't proper Nazis, they are Ukrainian hyper-nationalists. Even their insignia, like the sun-looking thing that everyone screeches about as being associated with "le white supremacy" goes back to the beginning of the 20th century and has different connotations for Ukrainians. The only Nazi part of the whole shebang is their reverence for Stepan Bandera who, despite Ukrainians REEEing about it, was a right piece of shit but he's also one of the few prominent Ukrainians left that haven't been claimed by Russia because Imperial times or Soviet Union. Khrushchev was an ethnic Ukrainian, fully claimed by Russia. Gogol, also Ukrainian, now only known as a famous Russian writer.

Proper Nazis, despite modern leftist screeching, as in people who wholeheartedly embrace the tenets of National Socialism, are nearly nonexistent in the modern world.

They're sending in their best and getting some real results. Major cities in Chernigov and Sumy are surrounded and blasted regularly. Several brigades approached Kiev itself from the east and are now standing there shelling the city. The situation down south is, essentially, going south.

And no, russkies didn't lose over 11k men.
Seems like they have been stuck in a rut for a week now to me. I've been hearing "surrounded" for about as long. The only thing that's changed is that Russia decided "fuck the kiddie gloves approach" and went to town like it was Chechnya all over again.
 
Seems like they have been stuck in a rut for a week now to me. I've been hearing "surrounded" for about as long. The only thing that's changed is that Russia decided "fuck the kiddie gloves approach" and went to town like it was Chechnya all over again.
Russia tried, but their artillery positions get hit by Ukrainian drone strikes, and their aircraft kept getting shot down by MANPADs. So this "gloves off" approach does nothing but kill civvies here and there and piss people off more.

Even if Russia (somehow) succeeds at taking Ukraine, sanctions will catch up to them within a few months and resistance forces will keep Puty from successfully controlling the country. Even some of the oligarchs Putin has in his back pocket are telling him to cut his losses and pull back.
The US managed to take control of Iraq in 6 weeks, from the other side of the world, and couldn’t control the populace. Russia can’t take 1st day targets after 2 weeks of invading it’s own neighbor. And the US didn’t get sanctioned to shit the way Russia is being either (Seriously, Russia’s tech sectors are going to be destroyed).
But hey, Putin‘s masturbation fantasies about resurrecting the USSR sure came to fruition, a horribly isolated nation that‘s on the verge of economic collapse. I suppose he wanted a bit more than it’s bitter end though.
Meanwhile if Ukraine pulls through, they’re going to get a massive economic boom from oil and gas projects, to mining and all sorts of heavy industry. Actually, doesn’t Germany need aluminum mills but don’t know where to put them? Ukraine is perfect for the job. We could see a massive EU revitalization out of this.
Basically, the best Putin can hope for is a hollow, empty victory that will be undone when his army gets the "death of a thousand cuts" treatment by guerillas. But he doesn't care, he just wants his USSR 2.0. And he's getting it, just not in the way he expected.

Hopefully Ukraine does pull through and get that economic boom. They deserve it after all the shit they've been through.
 
Meanwhile if Ukraine pulls through, they’re going to get a massive economic boom from oil and gas projects, to mining and all sorts of heavy industry. Actually, doesn’t Germany need aluminum mills but don’t know where to put them? Ukraine is perfect for the job. We could see a massive EU revitalization out of this.
I have a feeling once Ukraine won this war (extremely hard, but not impossible now), we're going to see "Miracle on the Dnipro" since no way in hell US and EU won't give the Ukrainian some money to rebuild their country

Also, British MoD update
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I remember reading somewhere that a SU-32 was shot down using AA from like 70s
What's kind of ironic is that we have Soviet tech being used against other Soviet tech.
The much vaunted S400 - basically Russias premier air defense system - is an evolved S300 from the 70s. They're potent kit, and no doubt upgraded versions can do the business.

It's why the west has focused so heavily on stealth jets like the F35. Yes, it had plenty of teething issues, but you can't hurt what you can't see...

Or more importantly, what you can't see with a small enough wavelength of the EM Spectrum to accurately guide munitions to.
 
I have a feeling once Ukraine won this war (extremely hard, but not impossible now), we're going to see "Miracle on the Dnipro" since no way in hell US and EU won't give the Ukrainian some money to rebuild their country

Also, British MoD update
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Russian propaganda is throwing everything at the wall hoping that something sticks, but none of it does. Not for a sane person, that is.
They even claim that said biological weapons are meant to somehow target ethnic Russians specifically... Even though, first of all, I'm pretty sure that's impossible to do with current technology, and secondly in terms of genetic makeup there isn't much difference between Russians and Ukrainians if any, and a lot of cross-pollination, so to speak, which would mean that developing this sort of weapon would be suicidal for Ukraine.
In other words, it's fucking absurd.
 
No proper Nazi would praise Israel, let alone take orders from a Jewish president or accept Jews into their ranks.

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They openly stated it to the world, they're saving Ukraine from "Nazism" and trying to rescue them from being "western puppets".

You are taking career politicians at face value? May as well believe the US is about "protecting democracy". Both sides want Ukraine for strategic purposes.
 
Only one side is bombing it into oblivion, though.

During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the United States and United Kingdom dropped 29,199 bombs.[2] The article does not list these, but concentrates on the smaller number of insurgent bombings during the post-invasion phase of the war.

That's bombing into oblivion buddy
 
That's bombing into oblivion buddy
The number of bombings is not that relevant, instead the accuracy and civilians killed is relevant.

With that said the HRW article that links to has very valid criticisms of his the US conducted it's campaign in Iraq regarding their attempts to reduce civilian casualties.

With that said, it's not even comparable with what the Russians are doing, because according to intercepts of mobile phones - cos Russia lacks enough secure Comms - they are actively shelling civilian areas. Even though the means the US used to target wasn't up to scratch, it's clear that Russia doesn't even try.
 
That's bombing into oblivion buddy
Approximately 202 schools, 34 hospitals and 1500 residential buildings have been destroyed and/or damaged so far. And Russia is hardly doing their worst, just what they can currently manage. Fully knowing about civilians there, but they don't give a fuck.
But muh Iraq has no relevance here, pal.
 
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It is funny how they’ll approve of neo Nazis when helpful, but honestly it doesn’t seem that big of a deal otherwise. The Azov battalion for instance is just a helpful group of ultra devoted Ukrainians which you want when defending the country. They don’t even seem to believe anything harmful (to Ukrainians) and just want to kill Russians.

They make the populist inc people also look a bit schizo since just a few weeks ago they’d mock those pointing out “far right Nazis”, but now go around pointing out sonnenrads like it’s an amazing gotcha against Ukraine.
 
The number of bombings is not that relevant, instead the accuracy and civilians killed is relevant.

With that said the HRW article that links to has very valid criticisms of his the US conducted it's campaign in Iraq regarding their attempts to reduce civilian casualties.

With that said, it's not even comparable with what the Russians are doing, because according to intercepts of mobile phones - cos Russia lacks enough secure Comms - they are actively shelling civilian areas. Even though the means the US used to target wasn't up to scratch, it's clear that Russia doesn't even try.
Approximately 202 schools, 34 hospitals and 1500 residential buildings have been destroyed and/or damaged so far. And Russia is hardly doing their worst, just what they can currently manage.
But muh Iraq has no relevance here, pal.

I do wonder why the Ukrainian soldiers just don't stand out in open fields and get killed, instead of hiding in places in hopes they won't get shelled.
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It is funny how they’ll approve of neo Nazis when helpful, but honestly it doesn’t seem that big of a deal otherwise. The Azov battalion for instance is just a helpful group of ultra devoted Ukrainians which you want when defending the country.

Maybe you only see what they want you to see
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once oil wars become more abundant, the one that controls oil will control the world. This is probably a large reason Russia is invading Ukraine.
You have it completely the wrong way around. It is the globalist cabal who wish to take Russia down, who have provoked this entire incident. Ukraine is a pawn in their game to take control of all the worlds oil supplies.
 
I do wonder why the Ukrainian soldiers just don't stand out in open fields and get killed, instead of hiding in places in hopes they won't get shelled.
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You're giving Russians too much credit in assuming they don't just shell cities indiscriminately, which they do.
Ukrainian combatants can take cover anywhere in the city they're defending, that's what makes urban warfare hard for the invading forces. So instead of taking any sort of nuanced approach, Russians would rather just destroy the entire city from the distance to maximize enemy casualties and reduce their own.
And it's not like there's no effort to stop their approach and prevent advance of Russian forces closer to cities. It's just that artillery and bombers have pretty good range.

Regarding schools, I always assumed they were used because they're big and fairly sturdy, making for an improvised fortress, but I don't really know if that's the case. With that said, I presume that all civilians would be evacuated from there by that point.
And don't forget that it's cold and muddy outside, and there aren't many places that could house large groups of combatants.
 
You're giving Russians too much credit in assuming they don't just shell cities indiscriminately, which they do.
Ukrainian combatants can take cover anywhere in the city they're defending, that's what makes urban warfare hard for the invading forces. So instead of taking any sort of nuanced approach, Russians would rather just destroy the entire city from the distance to maximize enemy casualties and reduce their own.
And it's not like there's no effort to stop their approach and prevent advance of Russian forces closer to cities. It's just that artillery and bombers have pretty good range.

I don't know what you're even trying to say, "War isn't fair?" no shit.
 
This fat nigress means the rednecks and hillbillies in the flyover states can go and die in Ukraine, not her precious nig nogs.
The US army is pretty well diversified these days even getting Mexicans coming in to help train for when they go to work for the cartels. Whoopi is just repeating the common pitch among the Uniparty now which is being framed as a sort of light war against Russia since they don't make the automatic connection between no fly zones and it meaning war with Russia.

Which is why I think The View news is a bit newsworthy, it means these sales pitches are being made in quite a bit of lib media and that people will eat it up.
 
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