General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Lou's Abndoned Artwork]

I figured I would throw my own hat into the ring regarding trannies - I posted this in a different thread but it's more at home here.

The one thing that has always fascinated me about their troonery movement is their insistence on being a "trans woman / man" rather than... Well, an actual woman / man.

Spoilered to not have a text blowout:

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I've known a few trans people in my life, and they all ended up being fairly bad headcases, but one such blow-up has always stuck with me.

Now, picture this: a 6ft5 beefcake of a MtF. Masculine jawline, deep voice, and no amount of hormones and voice coaching could ever bring into doubt what you are looking at is a man. Despite all this, myself and a circle of friends never misgendered him at all. We did everything right, or so we thought.

Cue a massive meltdown one day in which we were berated and told we are shit friends because we treated him as a woman. Verbatim:
"You treating me as a woman INVALIDATES everything I've been through as a TRANS WOMAN"

Everyone in the room did that quiet "look at each other with the 'what the fuck' look" of thinking he was off his meds.

For some reason that line has always stuck with me, and after a lot of consideration and thinking it speaks to just how perpetually fucked trannies are from a social standpoint.

I'm a big believer in the caveman brain, that however many years of evolution has us subconsciously make snap judgements which are impossible for us to not do. When you see someone, every single person goes through the same checklist in their head instantly: Male or Female, Friend or Foe, Where do I stand socially at this point in time. If anything of the above is thrown into question, out guard is up.

Trannies throw a spanner in the works with this very base, caveman brain logic, meaning that no matter how PC a person is, how well intentioned, there is always that niggling primitive part that goes "Imposter!" when presented with troonery. Uncanny valley fucks us up, and seeing a tranny also does the same. Not to the extent of those creepy Japanese robots, but that subconscious thing is always there. Unless the person is one of the very, very small group of people who can legitimately pass, we are all hard wired to view this person as "not part of my tribe"

This means that trans people will never truely be part of any gender they so wish to be viewed as. Not their birth sex because they decided to present as the other, and not accepted into the group of people they wish to be. They will always be an "outsider" to both sexes and as such need to identify as a "trans" man or woman to have at least some group of people to be accepted by.

Let's take the FtM poster-boy, Ellen / Elliott Page.

She can chop off her tits and flex abs, but the most she can ever do is make an approximation of what being a male actually is. It's unknowable and unreachable, and is something other real men will always view as "missing" - the real, genuine, lived in experiences of being male.

She was never raised as a male. Never had her body naturally produce hormones at a male level, only ever artificially altered, well after puberty. Never worked through a proper male puberty, having her brain re-wire itself to deal with Testosterone's "Gotta fuck or gotta punch some shit" arc. She wouldn't understand the subconscious caveman threat assessments like "I'm in a dog park, how many Corgis could I feasably take in a fight?". She can never experience that male logic deathtrap of "why isn't X working, time to think about solutions constantly" and being "distant" until the itch is scratched. She will never be shaped by the male pecking order of group situations and insults, she will only ever approximate what she believes "male" actually is. Do you think her male friends would ever treat her the same as they would their other, truely male friends? Of course not.

Men get abs! Men wear board shorts and play videogames! We're loud and think with our dicks! Tits, am I right? Cherry picking every surface level thing from her own viewpoint as a woman, but only ever able to be a cheap chinese knockoff of a gender. The Polystation 4 to a PS4. Tranforners to Transmorphers. Surface level acting without any of the unfakable, genuine things. You don't view yourself as a man, you don't carry yourself, project yourself or act like the genuine thing.

The same goes for MtF, although I won't even pretend to know how a female body operates or functions. I get confused enough seeing exploding ovaries whenever a baby comes across a single woman in her 30's, I won't even pretend to know what that feels like.

I guess that's their curse - gross approximations of what person believes the other sex is like, and always being an outsider, no matter how hard they try being male or female. They will never be part of the gender they "want" - as such they need to be seen as a "trans woman" because they can never be seen as a real woman.

Despite what I believe to be the cold, uncaring truths outlined above, In real life I would have no issues showing them the common respect they deserve as I would anyone, but my experiences IRL and online with these people have made me limit my interactions. I have never known one to be well adjusted, and my life is too good to invite that kind of chaos and uncertainty into my day to day.

That and FtM's can't grow a beard to save themselves. Pussies and imposters, I tells ya!

Thanks for reading. Not even gonna touch on how I believe there are very few "true" transsexuals and it's only an attention ploy, but yeah, my two cents on the matter.

 

[AnOminous]

Water isn't a solid and a liquid at the same time, and not all animals are humans, but all humans are animals- we have clear, binary categories for a reason.

Autistic correction, but it can actually be a solid, liquid and gas at the same time at its triple point. It isn't the only thing that can do this or similar odd things. Like helium not only acts as a "superliquid" at extremely low temperatures but can also climb out of its container.

 

[Marvin]

A woman, as 99.999999999% of people on Earth understand the term, is a biological adult female.

Actually, many people on Earth don't speak English and don't understand the term "woman".

How do we know "woman" translates to "frau" in German, if not for a biological underpinning to the word?

These sort of nuances matter when translating words like mule and donkey to other languages, why not "woman"?

 

[Baloney Face]

How do we know "woman" translates to "frau" in German

OK a quick run to Google Translate:

German -- Transfrau
Spanish -- mujer trans
Portuguese -- mulher trans
Italian -- donna trans
French -- femme trans
Polish -- trans kobieta
Ukrainian -- транс жінка (trans zhinka)
Russian -- транс женщина (trans zhenshchina)
Swahili -- mwanamke trans

So "trans" as an English loan word, at least in these cases.

 

[Jennifer Lopez]

I met somebody who had it once, their "vagina" was not only capable of producing orgasm, it got wet by itself.

There is such a thing as self lubricating neovaginas! The procedure is called a sigmoid colon vaginoplasty. The lubrication is anal discharge. It’s not a popular choice because they heal horribly and smell, unsurprisingly, like shit.

Also that you never mention SRS in regards to trans men.

I feel like the arm skin penis gets a pretty fair amount of mention.

Oh look, trans women have orgasms. Took me all of 10 seconds to find that.

I don’t know if you have a penis or have ever had sex with anyone who does, but if you rub tiny half inch circles on the same spot of someone’s penis, they probably aren’t going to achieve orgasm. So the “clitoris” on a neovagina will not function like an actual clitoris, just because it’s made from a bit of dick skin.
Just because a plastic surgeon says it’s going to look and feel amazing does not mean it’s true.

 

[Wallace]

The one thing that has always fascinated me about their troonery movement is their insistence on being a "trans woman / man" rather than... Well, an actual woman / man.

There definitely is some need that is being met by trooning out, however poorly so. I don't deny that ROGD kids have some pretty deep-seated problems, particularly when it comes to their gendered appearances or behaviors. Imagine growing C-cups at the age of 12, for example. Some have a history of childhood sexual abuse and associate a sexualized body with pain. Others have OCD, autism, or BPD. All of this gets conveniently ignored by psychiatry. But the point is that their suffering is real. Transing is a maladaptive coping mechanism. For whatever reason, they need to be perceived as the other gender, or at least not their natal gender. Need. When this breaks down, it's like ripping off a band-aid and exposing a very deep injury. They associate being their natal gender with fear/pain, so they need to divorce themselves from it. When being you is untenable, the obvious solution is to not be you, or be not-you.

Of course, there are plenty of people who adopt a trans identity for personal gain, such as self-aggrandizement, status as the moral elite of the woke, license to invade women's spaces, autoeroticism, or leverage for emotional blackmail. And many are NPD or BPD as well. I'll say again that people like this are parasites on the goodwill that the gay community has built over the last fifty years.

 

[Baloney Face]

There is such a thing as self lubricating neovaginas!

As I mentioned in another thread, why bother about self-lubrication when Astroglide is cheap?

And anal mucus is absolutely not sufficient for sexual lubrication when ass fucking, so how could it be for a fake vagina?

 

[AnOminous]

Just because a plastic surgeon says it’s going to look and feel amazing does not mean it’s true.

A plastic surgeon who stands to make tens of thousands on factory butcher shop quack techniques by convincing the troon to mutilate themselves.

 

[Jennifer Lopez]

As I mentioned in another thread, why bother about self-lubrication when Astroglide is cheap?

And anal mucus is absolutely not sufficient for sexual lubrication when ass fucking, so how could it be for a fake vagina?

Because troons don’t care about or grasp practicality, if they did they wouldn’t be lopping off their cocks and getting tunnels installed.

 

[gang weeder]

There definitely is some need that is being met by trooning out, however poorly so. I don't deny that ROGD kids have some pretty deep-seated problems, particularly when it comes to their gendered appearances or behaviors. Imagine growing C-cups at the age of 12, for example. Some have a history of childhood sexual abuse and associate a sexualized body with pain. Others have OCD, autism, or BPD. All of this gets conveniently ignored by psychiatry. But the point is that their suffering is real. Transing is a maladaptive coping mechanism. For whatever reason, they need to be perceived as the other gender, or at least not their natal gender. Need. When this breaks down, it's like ripping off a band-aid and exposing a very deep injury. They associate being their natal gender with fear/pain, so they need to divorce themselves from it. When being you is untenable, the obvious solution is to not be you, or be not-you.

Of course, there are plenty of people who adopt a trans identity for personal gain, such as self-aggrandizement, status as the moral elite of the woke, license to invade women's spaces, autoeroticism, or leverage for emotional blackmail. And many are NPD or BPD as well. I'll say again that people like this are parasites on the goodwill that the gay community has built over the last fifty years.

Rapid onset dysphoria is at odds with the theory of "needing" to "be seen as the opposite gender." Why would something that important randomly appear without warning? What fits the profile of the behavior far better is simple social contagion.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

I think transgenderism is a delusion and harmful to society. That said they’re in a lot of pain and I do believe that in most cases it’s a genuine disorder and not a “choice” if that makes sense. Anyway, I don’t believe in transitioning. Even if it “helps” them and reduces the suicide rate, it’s still wrong and highly corrosive to society. We need to explore options other than transitioning, such as medication or even institutionalization if necessary to keep them from harming themselves or society.

 

[El_Cacahuate]

why always it's "protect trans kids"? I don't remember seeing "protect lgb children" before, and being more crazy "asexual, non-binary, pansexual, special gender children"

 

[The Foxtrot]

Unfortunately, the cost of saying no to troons is now so high that everyone is too scared. Take Lia Thomas (please!). A man with a male body--including a penis--who underwent a male puberty is going to break Katie Ledecky's records in the NCAA championships, and the whole world is too fucking scared to say what everyone knows: that it isn't fair.

If you have the cultural and institutional power to ruin someone's life because they offend you and everyone else is too afraid to speak out against you for this, you are not marginalized.

If you control academia, Hollywood, and HR and civil rights offices across the country while every other institution ties itself in knots to mollify you, you are not oppressed.

If you wield enough influence to demand that your political opponents surrender both money and power to you in exchange for more scorn, condescending disdain, and further demands for obeisance from you, and they do so out of fear of your influence, you are seriously fuckin' privileged.

Those three sentences right there are why the term "white privilege" is complete and utter fucking bullshit.

 

[Wallace]

Rapid onset dysphoria is at odds with the theory of "needing" to "be seen as the opposite gender." Why would something that important randomly appear without warning? What fits the profile of the behavior far better is simple social contagion.

Sure, the reward of giving in to peer pressure is increased social status. That's a pretty good incentive, and people fight hard to protect it when they feel their status is threatened.

 

[The Fabian Strategy]

Autistic correction, but it can actually be a solid, liquid and gas at the same time at its triple point. It isn't the only thing that can do this or similar odd things. Like helium not only acts as a "superliquid" at extremely low temperatures but can also climb out of its container.

Didn't know about "triple point" as a concept. Thanks for pointing that out. Helium acting as a "super liquid" at one specific temperature doesn't invalidate what I said, though- it's only that during a specific point in time. Apart from the triple point thing, which I'll look into later, most things on Earth are one thing at a time and we can never use the thing they are to define them as we use definitions. Trannies can't be women or men (but especially women since something like 85% of these weirdos are delusional guys) at any temperature or in any condition at any time, and they can't define their horrific designation with the term they desperately wish they are like they try to do with their stupid mantra.

 

[Baloney Face]

Here's a horrifying story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606811/NHS-funded-clinic-promoting-prostitution-way-trans-people-pay-treatment.html

This shit will obviously lead to yet more murder and suicide of trans women. But I suppose that's good because it will raise awareness or some damn thing?

I may be of the opinion that they will never be real women, but the real evil isn't themselves, it is the ruling class using them as ideological stalking horses.

 

[gang weeder]

Here's a horrifying story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10606811/NHS-funded-clinic-promoting-prostitution-way-trans-people-pay-treatment.html

This shit will obviously lead to yet more murder and suicide of trans women. But I suppose that's good because it will raise awareness or some damn thing?

I may be of the opinion that they will never be real women, but the real evil isn't themselves, it is the ruling class using them as ideological stalking horses.

Oy vey, support the heckin' sex workers.

 

[Baloney Face]

Support them by being a customer?

 

[TurdEthics]

Y'all bitch about trannies but if they disappear, it's gonna cut down on a lot of comedy on the Farms.

 

[thegooddoctor]

The supportive parent would approach this with skepticism. If your kid tells you one day they think they are the opposite sex… you don’t bow down before your kid and give them everything their underdeveloped brain desires. Transgenderism is genuinely a social contagion right now amongst the nerdy, low-self esteem, autistic, etc types of people and children are especially susceptible to it whether it be through excessive internet use and/or grooming.

Also, transition is NOT the solution for gender dysphoria. When you have a mental illness, you don’t do what the illness tells you to do. Gender dysphoria is a mental illness, where the sufferer is convinced of the idea that they are the opposite sex. THEIR MINDS ARE UNHEALTHY, their bodies are fine; so why force your body through needless surgery and cross-sex hormones when it’s the mind that’s at fault and needs to be treated?

See, as a parent you need to consider your kid’s future. That’s not a future anyone wants or deserves. Transition is sugar-coated to hell and back, but it really is just a death wish.

i agree tou have some good points I personally don’t think that girls and boys should be able to transhorizon until they are at least 18 or over, at that point they are adults and have a somewhat grounded and better sense of the world and themselves. Even then I would sceptical and only give them the money and allow them if they were truly miserable and felt completely at odds with the body they are trapped inside. I don’t like this idea that it is naturally a mental illness, gender dysphoria is a real thing and there absolutely are some people who have transitioned and are happier and more accepted in their new body then when they were in their previous form.

I feel that there definitely should be more therapy and proper treatments for those gender confused that become mentally ill and suffer from depression and begin to become antisocial and possibly try to self harm or suicide because of the burden of their gender issues. However these can all be solved by simple sex therapy and professional intervention from psychiatrists and trained therapists like many people do for things like bullying, mental health issues and depression.

These people need care and kindness and made to feel accepted instead of being picked on by society and weird sites live these that shout ‘Lol trannies are ugly shit brained perverts, you’ll never have a dick or vahiné!! Lol XDD! It’s a bit pathetic and we should stop this and grow up and try to be mature about it instead of making them the butt of jokes here. It’ll positively impact their lives immensely.