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Does anybody has access to The Telegraph ?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...patients-trans-women-female-only-wards-nurse/
The juicy bit are in the daily mail, but still:

  • Dr Helyar highlighted her 'concerns' about the treatment of women patients on single-sex female wards, and said that NHS policies 'prioritised male transgender patients in the very spaces set out for women' (Stock image)
'As part of it's single-sex ward policy the NHS allows full bodied male adults to be placed next to women on female wards.

'Although policy states there are circumstances where a trans patient can be excluded, this generates a clear conflict of interest between patients and denies women the single-sex wards, which the NHS itself recognise they need.

'Women expressing discomfort, one of the prime motivators for single sex ward policy point the first place, is now described at Nottinghamshire NHS trust as "transphobic concerns".

'This is the NHS gaslighting women patients. In some trusts being a known male sex-offender is not an automatic bar to women's wards, both Devon and Oxford allow them on female wards subject to risk assessment'.

Under the Equality Act of 2010, NHS documents tell women patients of their right to single sex wards for safety, privacy and dignity, the right to express preferences in care and to be treated fairly and with respect.

However Dr Helyar mentioned the shocking sexual assault of two women by a male-born patient who identified as a woman, in a mental health trust after staff members concerns were ignored, according to The Telegraph.

She said: 'In one mental health trust a male, who identified as a woman, was placed on a female ward with observation, this patient complained the observation was discriminatory and it was removed - the patient went on to sexually assault two women patients.

'The same patient was placed on a female ward on a subsequent admission, and each time assaulted women. Staff concerns were ignored.'

According to Dr Helyar, who said that the NHS is heavily influenced by LGBT charity Stonewall, official documents prevent staff from speaking out if they notice any safeguarding aspects because they could be 'charged with a criminal offence'.

She added: 'Policies prevent staff from speaking out even when there are clear safeguarding concerns and questioning any aspects will be perceived as anti-trans, with consequences including a disciplinary - and in some cases being charged with a criminal offence.

'One staff member in a trust had a formal complaint made against her.'

This news comes as Health Secretary Sajid Javid ordered a review into guidance that could see male-born sex offenders who identify as women allowed on female-only NHS wards.
Staff are pressured to shut up?
Huge if true
 
Does anybody has access to The Telegraph ?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...patients-trans-women-female-only-wards-nurse/
The juicy bit are in the daily mail, but still:


Staff are pressured to shut up?
Huge if true

NHS trusts are "gaslighting" patients over the inclusion of transgender patients on single-sex wards, a whistle-blower nurse has warned.

Dr Sinead Helyar said that in at least one trust if patients questioned why there was a male-bodied person on a female-only ward, medics had been told to "reiterate ... that there are no men present”.

Official NHS trust policy documents also compare patients who ask for single-sex spaces to racists and label them "transphobes", "offenders" and "perpetrators", she said.

Staff who raise safeguarding concerns may be threatened with disciplinary action or even criminal charges, according to Dr Helyar, who warned that the NHS is influenced by controversial LGBT charity Stonewall.

She said that in one mental health trust, a male-born patient who identified as a woman had sexually assaulted patients on a female-only ward on two separate admissions, despite staff raising concerns.

The comments come after an investigation by The Telegraph found that guidance from trusts included that sex offenders who self-identified as women could be placed on female-only wards.

Hospitals 'prioritising transgender patients'​

Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, has since vowed to review the policy documents.

Speaking in a personal capacity to a panel organised by parliamentary campaign group Children and Women First at the Conservative Party conference, Dr Helyar said that NHS policy is “formulated and enacted to the detriment of women”.

She said that many trusts, often under the influence of Stonewall, had developed transgender accommodation policies that “have failed to consider the rights and needs of women” and instead of equal treatment “prioritise male transgender patients in the very spaces set out for women”.

Nurses expected to enact these policies have found that they “undermine our ability to advocate for uphold the rights of women patients, safeguard women and importantly, treat them with kindness, honesty and integrity as we are professionally obliged to do”.

She identified a number of documents which, she says, equated female patients questioning the policies with racists and a policy from Greater Glasgow and Clyde which tells nurses to “re-iterate that the ward is indeed female only and that there are no men present”.

"This is the NHS gaslighting women patients,” she said. “In other policies, women patients who ask for wards to be single-sex are described variously as transphobic service users, offenders, perpetrators or those who should be given trans education sessions to improve their attitudes.”

On its website, Stonewall includes Nottinghamshire NHS Trust in its 2017 list of “star performers”.

In what the charity describes as a “best-practice guide” produced by the trust, it advises: “If a female (who was once male and has a past history of sexual assaults on women) needed admission to a female ward then she should be treated as any other patient and a thorough risk assessment be carried out”.

'Clear safeguarding concerns'​

Staff are also told in the document that they “should be very careful” if they are refusing someone who identifies as a woman from a female-only ward, adding: “Just bear in mind you would be in more trouble for denying someone’s rights!”

Dr Helyar said that the policies “compromise nurses and prevent staff from speaking out, even when there are clear safeguarding concerns”.

She added: “These are real-world concerns. In one mental health trust, a male who identifies as a woman was placed on a female ward with observation. This patient complained that the observation was discriminatory, and it was removed.

“The patient went on to sexually assault two women patients. The same patient was placed on a female ward on a subsequent admission, and each time assaulted women. Staff concerns were ignored.”

A spokesman for NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde said that their guidance “aims to strike an appropriate balance” and the trust “strives to treat all people in its care and all staff with dignity and respect."

The spokesman said: "All concerns raised by patients are taken seriously, and if any patient has an issue during their time in our care, we would encourage them to raise it with ward staff.”

A Stonewall spokesperson said: "Trans women should be able to access dignified and high-quality healthcare in the same way as everyone else.

"Inclusive healthcare practices make us all safer and, in 2021, it should not be controversial to ensure that all LGBTQ+ people get the healthcare and support that they deserve.

"At Stonewall, we’ll continue to work with public sector organisations, including NHS trusts to ensure that their LGBTQ+ staff are supported at work."

And then this inevitably happens

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I once came across a Twitter thread where troons claimed that women's sports having different rules (e.g., fewer sets in tennis, shorter three point arc in basketball, etc.) was sexist and that WNBA players could compete equally in the NBA, lmao. I can't believe I actually saved it. The part about the "sexist" rules and WNBA players being able to hold their own against their male counterparts is towards the end:

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lmao at saying Maya Moore (who hadn't played in almost three years at the time of this tweet) would be the best player on the Wolves (she'd be lucky to even make the team, let alone somehow outplay Karl Anthony-Towns against men) and then responding to the dude disagreeing with this ludicrous notion by calling him a fascist

I post troon shit in this thread that's more in touch with reality
 
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Btw, is this really a troon or some girl posing as troon on social media to get likes or something? I heard that this is a thing but also he holds the phone like a troon this one is getting a bottom surgery,btw.
Looks like a bird to me, for what it's worth. Maybe she wants to go the Barbie route downstairs.

Edit to reply to @Sarcastic sockpuppet

Staff are pressured to shut up? Huge if true

It's the NHS. Staff are pressured to shut up about things so fucking often they're comfortable living on Jupiter by now.
 
No, you don't, you help someone because its the right thing to do. So because there no women doing this you think that its ok to them to suffer? Thats sociopathic.
I take it that you're actively fighting to solve societal issues when they're specifically targeting men, then? The fact that most people who commit suicide are men? That most homeless people are men? That most victims of violent crime are men? That most inmates are men? That most people who do worse in school are men? And the boys and men caught in trafficking - are you giving them some thought? Are you partaking in an effort to find causes and sound, viable solutions to ease the problems that affect mostly men?

Or are you merely grandstanding in order to hide your proposed sociopathy?
 
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From the social work subreddit. This is probably in the US. And I would bet all the posters in the US are also women (most social workers are). Why are they like this?
1. They've been thoroughly brainwashed.
2. If they say transwomen aren't welcome at the shelter they risk defunding, harassment, closing of their workplace and a safeplace for women, violence, etc, from transwomen and TRAs.
3. If they tell the transwoman at the shelter to not get near the woman, that someone has a problem with them, etc, they risk the above or alternatively the transwoman doing that to the already traumatised woman (harassment, violence, "cancelling" on social media, risking the woman's job, etc).
4. If they don't sing the chorus of transphobia at such politically incorrect trauma, they risk the above.
etc...
 
I take it that you're actively fighting to solve societal issues when they're specifically targeting men, then? The fact that most people who commit suicide are men? That most homeless people are men? That most victims of violent crime are men? That most inmates are men? That most people who do worse in school are men? And the boys and men caught in trafficking - are you giving them some thought? Are you partaking in an effort to find causes and sound, viable solutions to ease the problems that affect mostly men?

Or are you merely grandstanding in order to hide your proposed sociopathy?

Dude, most of these — violence, crime, and resistance to seek psychological treatment — are caused by men themselves. And while yes, women are responsible for a lot of their own issues, for reasons that should be obvious to people in this very thread, they can't do much about male violence, either against men or themselves.
 
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Right there with you. As a formerly religious person who's uncomfortably familiar with the type of Christianity that teeters precariously on the borders of cultdom, the parallels between the behavior of extreme religious groups and the troon cult are far, far too obvious to ignore. The isolationism, the deliberate targeting of the very young or the very emotionally troubled, the fostering of out-group lack of trust and in-group dependency, the narrative restructuring to convince themselves that life was horrible before they found troon jesus, the magical thinking in general... it's incredibly disturbing and it's frankly bizarre to me that more people don't seem to appreciate that this really is just secularized gnosticism.
The religious group that is the most strikingly similar in parallel to the whole current trans activism in behaviour IMO is Fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity/The Ameircan Religious Right. Extremist Evangelical Christians and trans activists hate each others' guts yet their behaviours and dogmatic beliefs are so alike. Both love gender roles and have a very black and white view of the world. The list could go on and on but rape apologism, homophobia, and the general disregard for women and children are pretty crystal clear. For example, when Evangelical Christians say that it's hurtful for a wife to not want have sex with her husband, it mirrors the whole "examine your genital preferences/have sex with a trans person you bigot" the genderists constantly spout on Twitter. Or take the conversion therapy (which both troons and evangelicals absolutely love) for gay teens by abusive pastors for "God's design for sexuality" or by a trans handmaiden pressuring young gays/lesbians to have sex with an MTF or FTM troon to "unlearn their genital fetishes". Evangelicals believe "gender roles" are natural and god-given while a young child who likes gender atypical stuff must secrelty be trans according to troon ideology. Evangelicalism historically had a giant media lobby, much like the trans activism of today.

Evangelicals see women as personal slaves subordinate to men and children as a "threat" to marriages despite judgmentally criticizing childless couples for not having children. Trans activists call women TERFS and bitches for not completely bending over for trannies and show no concern for children undergoing dangerous irreversible surgeries. According to either, its OK to beat children and women if they don't obey the patriarch/are transphobic. To top it off, Many Evangelicals and top trans activists have been arrested for sex crimes and offenses.

Evangelicals consider anyone or anything who questions their beliefs as "the liberal attempt to destroy the family, etc.", and troons screech "literal violence" to the most polite critiques of their ideology. Evangelical activists have gone to any length to shut down anything they deem "sinful" which is ironic since they have a massive victimhood complex and are paranoid everyone's out to get them.

Whereas many other Christians subsects and religious groups have toned down and modernised over the decades, Evangelicals are still incredibly dogmatic and refuse to listen to other interpretations. Movements for human rights such as the Civil Rights, anti apartheid, Gay Rights, and Feminism paved way for justice via gentle, peaceful dialogue and decades of work, trans ideology got its way via big pharma, instant media coverage, bullying, and censorship.


TLDR; Troons are basically a woke version of Evangelical Christians. Trans Activism is the new Evangelical Christianity.
 
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They never seem to mention any other athlete that isn't Michael Phelps for their "checkmate transphobes!" moments.

I'm sure the argument of "well Phelps has a biological advantage over men, therefore transwomen should compete against cis women just fine" was made on tumblr a few years ago and ever since then it's the only line they parrot again and again asides "well it's to affirm a transwomen's gender identity!". Do other athletes just not exist?

Why is queer activism nothing but tumblr hot takes before the 2020s on repeat. It's pathetic how much an activist movement was shaped by the whims of terminally online teenagers.
 
Why is queer activism nothing but tumblr hot takes before the 2020s on repeat. It's pathetic how much an activist movement was shaped by the whims of terminally online teenagers.
Because queers are the problem. 99% of gays and lesbians are cool and normal people but its the "uwu look at me I have nothing to talk about but my sexuality and I'm mega weird about it" queers who destroy everything.

In immortal words of Doug Stanhope, "there's nothing wrong with being gay just don't be a faggot about it."
 
nooooooooooooo I can't apply to law schools in 13 states cause it's literally genocide thereeeeeeeeeee



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omg just fucking rope

People decide whether or not someone's right to exist all the time. Sometimes it's called trying to give someone the death penalty, sometimes it's abortion rights.

Ok, let's go with something closer than death: debating whether or not a patient is disabled for disability benefits. We COULD go to the extreme and let everyone who applies get benefits, but if someone applies for paralysis of the lower half of their body yet run like Usain Bolt, then you might have to rethink their right to exists classified as paralyzed.

Or maybe it's someone who says they're a qualified doctor and can practice medicine as a dermatologist. Do they have the right to exist as a doctor if there's no PHD? Is holistic medicine enough to get someone in? What about surgeons?

For being trans, trans people debate on the merits of being a man, woman, or other as is. If we cannot establish legal proof that someone is a woman, then the term is meaningless and I might as well call someone a man since it's as meanibgless as being called a woman is. The lack of a solid definition of man and woman hurts trans people legally in the long run.

How kind of the doctor to provide new icon or reaction images to the thread:
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It's amazing how saying "Let's play sissy hypno to force femme someone!" isn't a horrifying or severely retarded sentence to these people. Yes, this will get us sympathy from the public!

Btw, is this really a troon or some girl posing as troon on social media to get likes or something? I heard that this is a thing but also he holds the phone like a troon this one is getting a bottom surgery,btw.
That hand is massive. I think they filtered or photoshopped their face instead. I could be wrong but I'm going "trans" unless further images are provided.
The religious group that is the most strikingly similar in parallels to the whole current trans activism in behaviour IMO is Fundamentalist Evangelical Christianity/The Ameircan Religious Right. Extremist Evangelical Christians and trans activists hate each others' guts yet their behaviours and dogmatic beliefs are so alike.
It's so funny to compare the two then watch either of them squirm, mostly the troons since they're almost always online and screeching. They're the rightwing nuts that the 70s-90s had to beat off, and it makes them so mad. It is horseshoes all the way down.
Why is queer activism nothing but tumblr hot takes before the 2020s on repeat. It's pathetic how much an activist movement was shaped by the whims of terminally online teenagers.
Because those teens grew up to terminally online adults on twitter.

I take it that you're actively fighting to solve societal issues when they're specifically targeting men, then? The fact that most people who commit suicide are men? That most homeless people are men? That most victims of violent crime are men? That most inmates are men? That most people who do worse in school are men? And the boys and men caught in trafficking - are you giving them some thought? Are you partaking in an effort to find causes and sound, viable solutions to ease the problems that affect mostly men?

Or are you merely grandstanding in order to hide your proposed sociopathy?
How do we show that we're taking a stand without doxing ourselves?

Homelessness and suicide are often intertwined because of mental health. This is a big issue and I'd fight for men just as much as women on this.

We can't change that more victims of violent crimes are men nor that they get incarcerated more unless we remove testosterone from them, which as you can see from this thread, is a fruitless endeavor. We can strive to mitigate it by providing better education, better and more job opportunities, and other things that cut down on crime, which ends up being a both genders issue. I'd like more prison reform so that the men there can get better help if they want to change and less abuse.

Changing the school system to get men back on track (something I'd love) requires restructuring institutions. Girls tend to succeed better because they are quieter and can sit longer, which is useful for a school system that works on a shoestring budget and refuses to budge from cramming facts into kid's mouths by the current method. Changing it would benefit boys and girls more like boys but modifying a system that constantly is choked of money and has politics left and right is moving a mountain right now, slow as fuck. The system would benefit from a lot of changes in general for ALL students, boys especially.

Only the most hardcore femminist or sociopath would say "Fuck the boys, just rescue the girls" when they say end child prostitution. The demand for grown women versus grown men is higher while little girls and boys probably are interchangeable because pedos don't care. Ending child trafficking is bigender.

A point you brought up last time was naming prominent female men's rights activists. We can't because even male men's rights activist are hardly in the news and generally get mocked for existing. The best female men's rights activist are usually mothers of boys since they love their children deeply, and hope that them and their male (and female) peers succeed.

Your anger is not unfounded but it is misdirected. I understand seeing feminist rants on this thread a ton drives anyone here for a laugh up the wall but it doesn't stop you from making promale rights speeches in this thread or reporting them for being off topic/tophatting.

I pray we all get equal rights and that men's issues get as much light as women's one day. For now, let us teabag the troons... together.
 
They never seem to mention any other athlete that isn't Michael Phelps for their "checkmate transphobes!" moments.

I'm sure the argument of "well Phelps has a biological advantage over men, therefore transwomen should compete against cis women just fine" was made on tumblr a few years ago and ever since then it's the only line they parrot again and again asides "well it's to affirm a transwomen's gender identity!". Do other athletes just not exist?

Why is queer activism nothing but tumblr hot takes before the 2020s on repeat. It's pathetic how much an activist movement was shaped by the whims of terminally online teenagers.

The colossal flaw in their argument there is that Michael Phelps doesn't compete in races belonging to the opposite sex.
 
People decide whether or not someone's right to exist all the time. Sometimes it's called trying to give someone the death penalty, sometimes it's abortion rights.
I this case people aren't even debating whether troons have the right to exist or not. We are all painfully aware that they exist. The question is whether they should be treated as women in any capacity or not.
 
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