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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Still through your more honest than "Based Russia" crowd and the pro-war crowd as in your aware that your bias. Those two sides on the other hand belive in their own bias
I guess. Contrary to what pro-Russian simps here believe, I don't push for more violence while being safely away. I just sympathize, not in the least because I've grown to like my home (I used to hate it for as long as I can remember) and because the things that the Ukrainian government is doing mostly make sense, considering the situation.

Oh, and I have a seething hatred of the Russian government because their propaganda arm managed to have an impact on my family personally. Something about family members turning into rabid dogs brings this up in you.
 
I guess. Contrary to what pro-Russian simps here believe, I don't push for more violence while being safely away. I just sympathize, not in the least because I've grown to like my home (I used to hate it for as long as I can remember) and because the things that the Ukrainian government is doing mostly make sense, considering the situation.
Well it makes since its your home country and its legit being invaded. Do you have any family still there?
 
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Well it makes since its your home country and its legit being invaded. Do you have any family still there?
Yeah, One family member is in Kyiv and is currently being super afraid (he used to be actively pro-Russian, to the point he wanted to go join lnrniggers to fight on their side in 2014 and then was offered a position in lnrnigger government. Also, a family friend is now one of the big gun lnrniggers). I hope he's had time to re-evaluate his life but knowing him, I think it's unlikely.

While the rest of my family is on the "separatist" territory.
 
Yeah, One family member is in Kyiv and is currently being super afraid (he used to be actively pro-Russian, to the point he wanted to go join lnrniggers to fight on their side in 2014 and then was offered a position in lnrnigger governement. Also, a family friend is now one of the big gun lnrniggers). I hope he's had time to re-evaluate his life but knowing him, I think it's unlikely.

While the rest of my family is on the "separatist" territory.
Oh yikes. Do your family surpport the separatist movement? If not than I wonder how many are actually pro-separaratists? Something tells me not alot
 
So I wrote before about Poland raising their army from 100k to 300k.

Yesterday there were news that Poles are forming territorial defense/ homeguards, but I could not find anything to this day in the press.

Yesterday Poland raised the question of Koninsberg/Kaliningrad and this is something that resonanted enough that Russian sources picked it up


Basically, Poland says those are occupied Polish land since 1945 ....
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Poland is member of NATO ... and just raised a question about territorial dispute ...

For kids who are not into geography, it's a really really interesting piece of land, currently Russian territory without a landbridge to it. In fact a land bridge to it would have to cut through two NATO countries:

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This is some interesting shit right here, def something to watch. I posted about Azeris pushing into Armenian territory held by Russian peacekeeping troops. Now on the north, the Kaliningrad is getting more attention, literally, you got to worry about fronts really far away from each other, meanwhile you are trying to send any troops to Ukraine ...
 
Do your family surpport the separatist movement?
The guy is now a bit tempered by years of having to live in Ukraine but I imagine he keeps most of it to himself, call it intuition.

Some were actually talking about HOHLOREICH to me.

Some are just apathetic.

If not than I wonder how many are actually pro-separaratists?
It's apathy mixed with closing on a decade of this situation. Who can leave - leave, while those who stay have been for all intents and purposes incorporated as quasi-Russian territories. They get Russian TV and radio, they go to Rostov-on-Don when they need stuff and now they have Russian passports.
 
So I wrote before about Poland raising their army from 100k to 300k.

Yesterday there were news that Poles are forming territorial defense/ homeguards, but I could not find anything to this day in the press.

Yesterday Poland raised the question of Koninsberg/Kaliningrad and this is something that resonanted enough that Russian sources picked it up


Basically, Poland says those are occupied Polish land since 1945 .... View attachment 3110525

Poland is member of NATO ... and just raised a question about territorial dispute ...

For kids who are not into geography, it's a really really interesting piece of land, currently Russian territory without a landbridge to it. In fact a land bridge to it would have to cut through two NATO countries:

View attachment 3110539

This is some interesting shit right here, def something to watch. I posted about Azeris pushing into Armenian territory held by Russian peacekeeping troops. Now on the north, the Kaliningrad is getting more attention, literally, you got to worry about fronts really far away from each other, meanwhile you are trying to send any troops to Ukraine ...
I belive my father was talking about this peice of land.
 
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To summarize, literally within the last month:

1. EU council kicked out Russia and voted to recognize Moldovan claim to Russia's puppet state of Transnistria

2. Japan's foreign minister raised yet again the claim to Kuril islands. Japan put harsh sanctions on Russia. There (Japan) were protests in support of Ukraine. Russia exited Soviet-Jap peace treaty.

3. Azerbaijan took at least one village in Nagorno-Kharabakh, while Russia withdraws troops from Armenia, not much shooting there .... yet

4. Georgia ... there are a lot of Georians in Ukrainian military including their x-def minister. Georgia as a country has pro-Russian president, but as a country very supportive of Ukraine. A day ago they had two bodies of volunteers coming back from Ukraine, and they had huge spectacle of coffins draped in Georgian and Ukrainian flags, a lot of people supporting this. Georgia had some of its territory taken in 2008 and I bet they want it back.

5. Ukrainian officials has been using wording to demand that Russia withdraws from all occupied Ukrainian territory, which without spelling it all out, includes Crimea and Donbass.

6. Kazahstan had very suspiciously refused to send troops, as requested by Russia to help. They also officially are sending humanitarian support to Ukraine. North Kazahstan is has a lot of predom-Russian speaking lands taken during Tsarist times. When Russia sent it's peacekeepers earlier this year, there were calls about possibly returning North Kazahstan to Russia.

7. Some Finn organizations have floated an idea to return Karelia and the rest of 9% of Finnish territory ceded to Soviet Union in 1939 Winter war.

8. Poland raising claims to Kaliningrad. They border the area from one side, Russia does not border it at all.

The only way this can get any more bizarre as if US announcing that Chukotka is "traditionally American land that needs to return to home port"

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Exactly!! Those are the ones who wouldn't make shit up and are the ones who are telling the tale.

You know I was thinking. My father is a big history buff and because of him I have alot of knowledge have history. But I remmber a few years ago my father had said that he believed Putin was trying to make himself a czar and was trying to rebuild the Soviet union. I had doubted him a little. But man was he completely right but I guess that's the thing with history buffs they know their stuff becuase they follow history.
It’s like when conspiracy theories coming true it only takes a couple years back then now it just takes a week or 2 and boom just like that. It doesn’t help you got paid shills who are just as bad as Putin cheering on the war. Hell their boss they like is a war criminal by their own standards since look at Iraq or libya when he was VP or Afghanistan to be more recent.

i will admit you father was right that Putin wants to be a 21st century czar but considering he is sucking at it by looking at it logistically and his rise to power is well questionable and whacky. Case in point look at Ryazan bombing attempt in 2000 Nobody has brought that up in the Ukraine conflict. Hell nobody was crying and protesting over chechnya or Georgia back in the day and protesting and being racists towards Russians when that happen. I heard some people compare him to the old school soviets and they are not wrong in that aspect with the wording he uses like denazifcation, the comeback of the soviet anthem, the military parades.
 
It’s like when conspiracy theories coming true it only takes a couple years back then now it just takes a week or 2 and boom just like that. It doesn’t help you got paid shills who are just as bad as Putin cheering on the war. Hell their boss they like is a war criminal by their own standards since look at Iraq or libya when he was VP or Afghanistan to be more recent.

i will admit you father was right that Putin wants to be a 21st century czar but considering he is sucking at it by looking at it logistically and his rise to power is well questionable and whacky. Case in point look at Ryazan bombing attempt in 2000 Nobody has brought that up in the Ukraine conflict. Hell nobody was crying and protesting over chechnya or Georgia back in the day and protesting and being racists towards Russians when that happen. I heard some people compare him to the old school soviets and they are not wrong in that aspect with the wording he uses like denazifcation, the comeback of the soviet anthem, the military parades.
It's kind of ironic how much Putin is sucking at this through. What was the point have being president of Russia for 20 years and not giving your military better equipment.
 
You're still posting that race-traitor's slop in here? That's not news.

To summarize, literally within the last month:

1. EU council kicked out Russia and voted to recognize Moldovan claim to Russia's puppet state of Transnistria

2. Japan's foreign minister raised yet again the claim to Kuril islands. Japan put harsh sanctions on Russia. There (Japan) were protests in support of Ukraine. Russia exited Soviet-Jap peace treaty.

3. Azerbaijan took at least one village in Nagorno-Kharabakh, while Russia withdraws troops from Armenia, not much shooting there .... yet

4. Georgia ... there are a lot of Georians in Ukrainian military including their x-def minister. Georgia as a country has pro-Russian president, but as a country very supportive of Ukraine. A day ago they had two bodies of volunteers coming back from Ukraine, and they had huge spectacle of coffins draped in Georgian and Ukrainian flags, a lot of people supporting this. Georgia had some of its territory taken in 2008 and I bet they want it back.

5. Ukrainian officials has been using wording to demand that Russia withdraws from all occupied Ukrainian territory, which without spelling it all out, includes Crimea and Donbass.

6. Kazahstan had very suspiciously refused to send troops, as requested by Russia to help. They also officially are sending humanitarian support to Ukraine. North Kazahstan is has a lot of predom-Russian speaking lands taken during Tsarist times. When Russia sent it's peacekeepers earlier this year, there were calls about possibly returning North Kazahstan to Russia.

7. Some Finn organizations have floated an idea to return Karelia and the rest of 9% of Finnish territory ceded to Soviet Union in 1939 Winter war.

8. Poland raising claims to Kaliningrad. They border the area from one side, Russia does not border it at all.

The only way this can get any more bizarre as if US announcing that Chukotka is "traditionally American land that needs to return to home port"

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It's not surprising that the world wants to squeeze Russia by the balls now. They've overplayed their hand and showed how weak they really were.
 
So I wrote before about Poland raising their army from 100k to 300k.

Yesterday there were news that Poles are forming territorial defense/ homeguards, but I could not find anything to this day in the press.

Yesterday Poland raised the question of Koninsberg/Kaliningrad and this is something that resonanted enough that Russian sources picked it up


Basically, Poland says those are occupied Polish land since 1945 .... View attachment 3110525

Poland is member of NATO ... and just raised a question about territorial dispute ...

For kids who are not into geography, it's a really really interesting piece of land, currently Russian territory without a landbridge to it. In fact a land bridge to it would have to cut through two NATO countries:

View attachment 3110539

This is some interesting shit right here, def something to watch. I posted about Azeris pushing into Armenian territory held by Russian peacekeeping troops. Now on the north, the Kaliningrad is getting more attention, literally, you got to worry about fronts really far away from each other, meanwhile you are trying to send any troops to Ukraine ...
Before the Teutonic Knights were granted it, it was nominal territory of the Grand Duke of Poland. Still, it's likely just chain yanking, but given how Putin must be sore of the lack of progress on nearly all fronts, and even some losses threaten (Cherson), I suppose some care should be taken. Putin is surely a sensitive man.

I see on Telegram that Azerbaijan seems to be showing some contempt for the Russian peacekeepers in the disputed territory, pushing as far as they can without causing irreversible issues.

It's kind of ironic how much Putin is sucking at this through. What was the point have being president of Russia for 20 years and not giving your military better equipment.

I have read it's a mix of having to fully fully fund nuclear forces including submarines starves other branches of the Russian services. Also the silovoki around Putin known that the security departments gets more funding or the army gets it, the idea that the army is seen as a rival and that outside the great expense of the nuclear deterrent, the army is not allowed too much status or funding. It is belied by the overall spending, but a mix of the deterrent soaking up most, and pointless toys like the possibly vaporware T-14 tank, and the definitely existing SU-57, limits the effect of that money.
 
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It's kind of ironic how much Putin is sucking at this through. What was the point have being president of Russia for 20 years and not giving your military better equipment.
It’s incompetence or him just being a lazy sack of shit in his own country. At least with countries Like China their technology would probably beat Russian minus the nukes. If your military equipment and hardware is 30 or 40 years old and Falling apart it’s about time you should get a upgrade. Hell there is plane in the US the is about old as the Russian military equipment look up the Boeing e-4 it runs smoothly because its well maintained and the plane is Air Force one on steroids
 
I feel a lot of people are going a bit too hard on Russia willing to Nuke.
Russia has a strict nuclear policy which outlines no first-use unless the state is facing an existential risk.

It’s also important to keep in mind US nuclear policy doesn‘t omit first-strike use whatsoever, any US president has the authority to order nuclear strikes whenever whereas all other nuclear powers (with the exception of the DPRK and Israel) all have no first strike policies.

Also, the OCPW has declared that Russia eliminated it's own militarized chemical stockpile since 2017. So Biden should really shut up about Russia potentially using them.

Russia’s still in the wrong here, and I wouldn’t put it past Putin to use them, but he’s not Kim Jon-Un.

I have hard time believing that POTUS would have power to single-handedly order a nuclear strike, without at least consulting with the Joint Chiefs of Staff or Secretary of Defense first. Most likely the nuclear launch sequence can't be initiated by any one person anywhere in the world, as it would be inherently way too risky.


7. Some Finn organizations have floated an idea to return Karelia and the rest of 9% of Finnish territory ceded to Soviet Union in 1939 Winter war.


What the fuck are you talking about? This is certainly not true, no-one with any significance in Finland is interested in getting Karelia back nowadays. This kind of bullshit can only originate from Russian propaganda machinery, and is meant to justify their future aggression against Finland.

Basically, no one in modern day Finnish politics cares about Karelian Isthmus anymore, nor ever brings returning it back to Finland up. It was seriously discussed last time almost 30 years ago, when Jeltsin government had some talks with Finnish government on whether we would like to have it back. These talks however progressed nowhere because the Karelian area is currently home to over 500K Russian -speaking people, and Finnish government didn't then, nor nowadays wants to have that large of an influx of Russian -speaking people, as it could have serious effect on Russian minority influence in Finland. Basically, we currently have something like 100k -Russian speaking citizens, which makes it largest foreign minority language group, but still so small that they can't have any serious political influence. If we had 600k Russian speaking people, they would be over 10% of our total population, and that could start to have serious implications in politics, as they could easily form their own party that just might start to propagate for more Russian state influence in Finland, which no-one in Finland wants.

Also, almost all of the people who once evacuated from the Karelia, like my maternal grandfather, have been dead for a long time, and their descendants have almost completely assimilated to the larger Finnish cultural mainstream, essentially leading to the dissolution of the Karelian ethnic identity and the very ethnic group as such(like, there is not a single pure-blooded Karelian in existence in Finland nowadays). There is a handful of ethnic Karelian cultural activists who still try to uphold some vestiges of the Karelian traditions, but for the most part they are all quite old and have zero political power. Karelia is lost and forgotten, and majority of Finnish people just don't give a shit about it nowadays.

Thus, you can safely count that all claims of Finland wanting Karelian Isthmus, or any other territory lost to Russia during WWII back as Russian propaganda meant to legitimize their potential future actions against Finland.
 
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I see on Telegram that Azerbaijan seems to be showing some contempt for the Russian peacekeepers in the disputed territory, pushing as far as they can without causing irreversible issues.

There were videos of Azeri tractor making a road to strategic height with Russian peacekeepers watching. Azeris may be fortifying their positions and pushing as far as they can right now. Ideally you don't want any shooting and win the battle before any shooting can even take place. Those news were mostly from Armenian sources, i.e. the people who are shitting most bricks are Armenians.

What the fuck are you talking about? This is certainly not true, no-one with any significance in Finland is interested getting Karelia back nowadays. This kind of bullshit can only originate from Russian propaganda machinery, and is meant to justify their future aggression against Finland.

It's the same issue with Ukraine-Donbass but also Kuban region. No one wants territory that has been ethnically replaced, brainwashed to wreak political havoc home.

Baltic states did have a solution to "Russian problem" essentially regulating citizenship based on how person could speak the native language and was assimilated. It's not far fetched, I believe Denmark used to require language proficiency and taking history courses as requirement for citizenship.

Never underestimate small fringe groups who are more determined than greater and complacent population. When your enemy is weak, taking may not be all that difficult. Also, keep in mind that post WWII when Germany turned into piriah nation, no one had problems with German POWs clearing minefields. Deporting 500k Russians back to Moscow may not be as big of a deal as you think.
 
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