Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[MrJokerRager]

As a whole, Russians like having a strong leader/boss, known as a 'vozhd'. Those who would want a Stalin back tend to be elderly/clueless. They remember order, but conveniently forget the GULAG/purges/hunger/shortages.

Looking at Putin, he could be considered a sort of vozhd, in that he has things largely under control, the way he wants them. No real need for a GULAG. Most people know what they can criticize and what they cannot. Even those arrested for anti-war statements are dealt with through the Russian legal system, albeit one at Putin's command.

There are no sweeping purges throughout society, but have heard Putin has been firing people in his government who either haven't performed well, are against the debacle in the Ukraine, or both. The average Russian doesn't fear the 3:00 a.m. knock on the door. Wonder why 3:00 a.m. is a popular time to pick people up? Human body is at the lowest ebb at that time, most normally asleep. Can testify to that when working mid shifts, many years ago. See a lot of coffee/cola drinks consumed around that time.

Russia has enough to eat, fuel, places for everyone to live, etc., of varying types/quality. No rationing, unlike most of Stalin's time.

Just wish those hankering after another Stalin would read Bloodlands and the GUlAG Archipelago. Might wake some of them up.

Looking at the state of California itself and the education system as of late, that isn't happening for a long time unless some states like Florida did what Putin did funny enough.

Make the Gulag Archipelago required reading in schools, a surprising move from Putin.

I was wondering, given what I have heard about the Russian military so far, basically cannon fodder led by malcontents that managed to captured the most amount of land very fast since World War 2 and captured most cities as well since World War 2.

If the Russians were led by some sort of meritocracy similar to the United States or the British Empire at their height, how much of a deeper thread would be Russia to Europe and American hegemony if they managed to one day reform themselves through some miracle and get competent leadership, while keeping the bloodlust as well.

 

[Techpriest]

It goes without saying that the industry is lacklustre but elaborating on it by misconstruing things only undermines its author's claim. Take for instance the issue of budgeting: No outsider can really gauge whether or not Russia's military spending has dwindled considerably, with some sources having claimed that it's circa 60 billion dollars while others scaled it up as high as 200 billion. I wouldn't address the source point-by-point because it is a banal propaganda outlet. On twitter. During an armed conflict.

Look, I get you’re trying to pump up russian defense industry prowess but their avionics and electronics have always been really really awful, and this isn’t a procurement issue. It’s why they’re lacking thermals on so many armored vehicles, same with updated FCS systems, the russian domestic industry simply can’t produce the parts they need in number. The T-14 is a great example of this, it’s a tank that makes or breaks based on electronic systems, and by all indications those systems either aren’t available in numbers or are so garbage the Russians prefer to upgrade older T-72’s and T-80’s.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

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>comparing modern invasion to ancient revolt

Cope and sneed, though I appreciate the amount of effort you put into it

 

[Feline Supremacist]

War Cat for March 26, 2022, kitten recruit edition.

 

[Disheveled Human]

Yes, making Russia even more reliant on the Chinese and thus letting them plunder Siberia for all the resources and food they need is a great idea. Like I understand our leadership for their retarded 1980s-level geostrategy because they're going to make money anyway, but anyone actually defending it is retarded. Is someone paying you?

I live in the West, China and Russia has always been a team so its not a big deal if we officiate it. I am not scared of China and definitely not afraid of Russia since they can barely take a second rate country we are proxy warring in. Let them fight let them do their worst we need to secure the democratic future of the white race.

 

[mr.moon1488]

>comparing modern invasion to ancient revolt

Cope and sneed, though I appreciate the amount of effort you put into it

lol I was more pointing out the lunacy of thinking being under siege means you're winning.

 

[Suburban Bastard]

lol I was more pointing out the lunacy of thinking being under siege means you're winning.

The battle maybe...

 

[Lone MacReady]

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"Hey it's that shithole I visited and renamed a few years back. Gotta thank the boys for bringing me back that golden multi-armed toga rack."

 

[BiggerChungus]

>Still haven't taken down a lot of them
>Casualties aren't as high as NATO is claiming
Just from openly visible equipment losses, the Russians have lost a fuckload of equipment. 300 tanks, baseline, which is between 10 to 15% of their invasion force, and the most numerous losses comes from their newest stock. That's bad. Really really bad. Russia's casualty estimates are absolute total bullshit, including claiming more drones shot down and more tanks destroyed than Ukraine has in inventory. Ukrainian claims are exaggerated, sure, but the Russian MoD's lying its ass off constantly.

There's not a single unbiased source or claim out there about their losses.

 

[Rezza]

Speaking of that, this thread goes into detail how the sanctions are going to completely fuck Russia's military, as well as how Russians really did think this would be a cake walk and a repeat of 2014 and how the elites are starting to flee in the higher parts of the thread.

TLDR version, Russia can produce shit like tanks and jets, but they don't actually produce the things to make said tanks. Bearings, high end computer equipment, industrial machines, they aren't produced by Russia. So they can't make really make newer, more expensive designs and now can't even make new tanks and might not even be able to make repairs or heavy maintenance on their existing stock, it's why newer, more expensive designs like the T-14 and SU-57 have been practically cancelled after the 2014 sanctions hit them, and it's a problem they didn't fix in the past 8 years.

The thread is a bit too wishful thinking, but I like the fact that he used sources from the Russian themselves to illustrate just how fucked the current situation in Russia now

Just looked at the inbox and found this nifty video of Ruskies getting bodied.
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You can see just how happy the Ukrainian are in this battle. Doesn't look they're losing, for now

Yes, making Russia even more reliant on the Chinese and thus letting them plunder Siberia for all the resources and food they need is a great idea. Like I understand our leadership for their retarded 1980s-level geostrategy because they're going to make money anyway, but anyone actually defending it is retarded. Is someone paying you?

I disagree. China is already struggling to contain problems because if Covid and economic downturn, I don't think they have the resources and political capital to take over Sibera. Especially since everyone in Asia become more tense and vigilant of China after this war

lol I was more pointing out the lunacy of thinking being under siege means you're winning.

Well, since the Russian haven't taken any of the places they're "sieging", you can say Ukraine is still winning

 

[capefear56]

Look, I get you’re trying to pump up russian defense industry prowess but their avionics and electronics have always been really really awful, and this isn’t a procurement issue. It’s why they’re lacking thermals on so many armored vehicles, same with updated FCS systems, the russian domestic industry simply can’t produce the parts they need in number. The T-14 is a great example of this, it’s a tank that makes or breaks based on electronic systems, and by all indications those systems either aren’t available in numbers or are so garbage the Russians prefer to upgrade older T-72’s and T-80’s.

Their air superiority doctrine of maneuver-and-fire-back is also flawed. By avoiding a missile with fancy aerobatics tricks, you leave yourself wide open to be killed by the wingman of the fighter you just launched a missile at - basically suicide. No pilot actually flies an Su-27/33/35 the way they were designed for that reason.

 

[Reddit Gold]

Look, I get you’re trying to pump up russian defense industry prowess but their avionics and electronics have always been really really awful, and this isn’t a procurement issue. It’s why they’re lacking thermals on so many armored vehicles, same with updated FCS systems, the russian domestic industry simply can’t produce the parts they need in number. The T-14 is a great example of this, it’s a tank that makes or breaks based on electronic systems, and by all indications those systems either aren’t available in numbers or are so garbage the Russians prefer to upgrade older T-72’s and T-80’s.

There's nothing I disagree with here except me "pumping up" Russia. Ukraine is filling her just fine by itself.

 

[Aidan]

I live in the West, China and Russia has always been a team so its not a big deal if we officiate it. I am not scared of China and definitely not afraid of Russia since they can barely take a second rate country we are proxy warring in. Let them fight let them do their worst we need to secure the democratic future of the white race.

This is so pompous. The US and its allies can certainly defeat China and Russia, whatever that means, but it won't be without cost and we shouldn't force that relationship to be stronger.

 

[mr.moon1488]

The thread is a bit too wishful thinking, but I like the fact that he used sources from the Russian themselves on just how fucked the current situation in Russia now

You can see just how happy the Ukrainian are in this battle. Doesn't look they're losing, for now

I disagree. China is already struggling to contain problems because if Covid and economic downturn, I don't think they have the resources and political capital to take over Sibera. Especially since everyone in Asia become more tense and vigilant of China after this war

Well, since the Russian haven't taken any of the places they're "sieging", you can say Ukraine is still winning

>Well, since the Russian haven't taken any of the places they're "sieging", you can say Ukraine is still winning
lol I guess you could if you really wanted to sugarcoat it.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Reminder Naziboos BTFO by those dirty Finno-Urgic Mongol hybrids oy vey gevalt

 

[Techpriest]

There's not a single unbiased source or claim out there about their losses.

No, but Oryx is about the best available for non-glowies and does their homework. They were on point for the Azeri-Armenian shitshow, and for Afghanistan. If they say (and have the pictures of) 300 captured, abandoned, destroyed, or heavily damaged tanks, I’m inclined to take their numbers seriously.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

lol I was more pointing out the lunacy of thinking being under siege means you're winning.

How many times has the goalposts of "winning" been moved on Russia's side? To me, someone who hates Globohomo but sees Putin as wanting his own blend of it, I've always been in the camp of "No regime change + Kiev still being the seat of Ukraine's government" so Ukraine stays a country that won't be annexed by Russia later down the line like Belarus will be, being the best-case scenario for them, but now look at it. It's blatantly clear Russia's main objective involved regime change, no matter how much Cope has come from it, there's a reason everyone fucking thought Putin was going for the whole pie in the first week of the war, that he claimed the Government was controlled by Neo-Nazis. Similarly to the "They aren't sending their best" argument, this only popped up after Ukraine started to blunt the advance that Kiev was just a big distraction and the Russians didn't actually want to take it.

Russia's victory condition has moved from Regime Change that would control all of Ukraine, to annexing the Donbass region, are Russian's making progress, yeah of course they are, but most fronts have become functionally a standstill. This is a Winter War situation, a war that yes Russia technically won, but had to make severe compromises on its peace treaty and much heavier than expected causalities, not to mention their military turning into a laughing stock.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

War Cat for March 26, 2022, kitten recruit edition.
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Ma'am child soldiers are a war crime.

 

[Disheveled Human]

This is so pompous. The US and its allies can certainly defeat China and Russia, whatever that means, but it won't be without cost and we shouldn't force that relationship to be stronger.

It's up to China tbh, Russia has a lot of space, in fact they are the largest country land mass wise. Why do they need Ukraine? They could build up, down, left and right and take this blood and war money to build prospering cities, towns and settlements and work more closely with us "Westerners". If NATO ever pressed Russia unfairly I think the vast majority of people would call it out because this isn't the 1800's it's modern day where we are all interconnected with each other and don't easily buy into propaganda. I am supporting the west because what they are doing is a sloppy invasion that is murdering white babies.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ma'am child soldiers are a war crime.

He's the cat equivalent of an 18 year old human recruit. Kitteh moms start boot camp young.