General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[DiscoRodeo]

but the majority do just want to be left In peace and I feel the ways we go about it is wrong

It's not about being left in peace. Thats a false concept.

If it was just about being left in peace, I'd feel bad because mentally ill people cutting off their dicks and tits has any number of reasons to be problematic, but its more than that.

Where the peak for most is, is kids and teens being able to permanently alter their bodies, and the issue of women's spaces and rights being infringed upon. If it was just troons dressing like women in public and having sex privately, and not demanding vast societal changes that harmed other people (kids, rape centers being closed because they wouldn't accept troons), the issue could largely be dropped.

We should try looking at things from their level, get into their heads

People have tried.

but the huge amounts of vitriol there is from people here and many who bully and show disgust at someone just for being trans

You'd be surprised at how many people were chill with trans folk, probably would be by default even today, but because that sphere is one where you constantly bump into speds (honestly, basically the same way furries are), people are completely wary of the trans agenda.

On another note, I'm currently MATI for the way that impressionable kids are being given unsupervised access to the internet. It's obvious that the rise of troonery is caused by young confused teens being bombarded with propaganda on Twitter and Reddit. But what can anybody do? Most parents are unable to police what their children are exposed to online, and nobody seems concerned about this very real issue. These kids are growing up with completely warped views of reality. I feel for the parents who are worried about their child's safety online but lack the ability to do anything about it.

I think this is one of the most understated and underappreciated problems we're facing today. Consider this, raising your kids on television was the norm for most of the last quarter of the 20th century. It's had its own problems, to be sure (MTV generation, Soyboys obsessed with the latest pop tv show, etc), but at the very least the majority of television shows had some basic standards, basic quality control, and chances are that while some kids may grow up dysfunctional in some way, you didn't have cults or crazed people with their own television channels bombarding your kids with propaganda 24/7 (arguably).

Raising your kids on the internet, which seems to be the first default instinct of newer parents (I was raised on tv, surly I can just let my kid mimic me but just with the online world?) exasperates these problems.

The internet is not passive like television. It is an interactive enviornment where your kids will be exposed to and actually engage with other people. Its a place that parents need to take an active role and interest in their kids lives. If you just let your kids browse online and have no idea what theyre doing, its not like the internet a decade ago where you only really had to watch out for pedos and scammers, but you otherwise watched flash videos or watched niche content. You have people with political and social agendas now vying to influence kids into their doctrine. You have people of all sorts of ideologies with platforms who are actively and openly competing for the attention of your kids.

I dont know what the best approach is, but for future parents, Id honestly a) limit internet exposure for kids (Going online only after school, maybe only having video games on the weekend), and to actually know what groups, what people, what spaces your kid is interacting in so you know what it is theyre getting into.

Before television, you'd want to know who your kids friends were and if they were getting into a bad crowd. Its seriously dumbfounding that parents don't treat "who your kids internet friends and circles are" the same way. If you're a parent and find out that your 12 year old is browsing r/eggirl because some sped in discord egged them on into it, treat it the same way you'd treat your kid becoming friends with a druggie a decade ago. Get them the fuck out before theyre deep, and hopefully the state won't ram itself down your throat in the process because "youre oppressing the kids gender identity".

Not even saying that kids can't be trans, but I will never acknowledge the concept that spaces like eggirl arent rife with grooming.

On a side note, has anyone else noticed how seriously creepy the entire situation has become with regards to kids?

I don't know what happened with troons, but if I found out that someone I was talking to was a pre-teen or in their teens in my comminity, I don't know- Id probably, at the least, socially distance myself from them. It just seems honestly a bit creepy how fine they are with preteens in their online spaces, how focused they are on interacting with them and "giving them proper advise/indoctrination". I don't know, it just has always felt off/against the grain for a proper way that adults should interact with people far younger than them.

 

[I swear she's 18]

More so for MtF, but I've seen this be brought up before. What happens when they hit the wall? Millennial thinker sums it up well with his Femboy video. It's just so baffling to me that people, not just the person, but other people. Ignore the fact that once you hit the wall there's no way you'll be passable. And you've fucked up your body. Yet they're supportive and think it's okay? Damn, I hate to bring up cringe pop culture references but just be gay.

 

[gang weeder]

You'd be surprised at how many people were chill with trans folk, probably would be by default even today, but because that sphere is one where you constantly bump into speds (honestly, basically the same way furries are), people are completely wary of the trans agenda.

I would guess that the majority of people who are "anti-trans" these days qualify as this. I know I sure do. There was a point in time where trannies did not really register in my mind one way or the other. I was vaguely aware of the phenomenon and considered it basically a harmless curiosity--because I knew next to nothing about it, and was never exposed to it at any point in my daily life.

Once this shit started going mainstream and I started to actually see what it was about, I turned against it hard and fast.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I wouldn't consider it a harmless curiosity, because by definition, transfolk are mentally ill and they have serious body dysmorphia and likely other problems and its a complicated matter by default. I know theres a stigma with being mentally ill and people don't like to hear that, but if you have a chronic condition which worsens the quality of life and you are seeking to alleviate it, thats an illness. Body dysmorphia is a mental illness, and its the central characteristic of the trans phenomena, and an attempt to cure that.

A decade ago and earlier, it was a rare phenomena, there was a sense that people with this body dysmorphia problem were getting proper counselling for years at a time and a number of treatment options were explored that may be best for them, that transitioning was a last resort, that it was sold as purely cosmetic, and there wasn't really an agenda to it.

Something I seriously don't understand is, if body dysmorphia is the cause of this (feeling disgust at your body and that it doesnt match your mental image of how you think you should be), shouldn't people who transition without body dysmorphia ironically get it after cutting off their tits or dick? From what I see of a lot of detransitioners, there are a lot of problems that seem to mirror this, and immense regret and body issues that follow them throughout life following this.

Once this shit started going mainstream and I started to actually see what it was about

I peaked when I realized that they were basically the same as furries, except much more entitled and with a victim complex.

 

[Fartificial Insmelligence]

I wouldn't consider it a harmless curiosity, because by definition, transfolk are mentally ill and they have serious body dysmorphia and likely other problems and its a complicated matter by default. I know theres a stigma with being mentally ill and people don't like to hear that, but if you have a chronic condition which worsens the quality of life and you are seeking to alleviate it, thats an illness. Body dysmorphia is a mental illness, and its the central characteristic of the trans phenomena, and an attempt to cure that.

A decade ago and earlier, it was a rare phenomena, there was a sense that people with this body dysmorphia problem were getting proper counselling for years at a time and a number of treatment options were explored that may be best for them, that transitioning was a last resort, that it was sold as purely cosmetic, and there wasn't really an agenda to it.

Something I seriously don't understand is, if body dysmorphia is the cause of this (feeling disgust at your body and that it doesnt match your mental image of how you think you should be), shouldn't people who transition without body dysmorphia ironically get it after cutting off their tits or dick? From what I see of a lot of detransitioners, there are a lot of problems that seem to mirror this, and immense regret and body issues that follow them throughout life following this.



I peaked when I realized that they were basically the same as furries, except much more entitled and with a victim complex.

At least furries can (mostly) distinguish between fantasy and reality. You don't see furries marching into PetSmart and demanding to have their hair trimmed by the dog groomers there...

 

[gang weeder]

I wouldn't consider it a harmless curiosity, because by definition, transfolk are mentally ill and they have serious body dysmorphia and likely other problems and its a complicated matter by default. I know theres a stigma with being mentally ill and people don't like to hear that, but if you have a chronic condition which worsens the quality of life and you are seeking to alleviate it, thats an illness. Body dysmorphia is a mental illness, and its the central characteristic of the trans phenomena, and an attempt to cure that.

A decade ago and earlier, it was a rare phenomena, there was a sense that people with this body dysmorphia problem were getting proper counselling for years at a time and a number of treatment options were explored that may be best for them, that transitioning was a last resort, that it was sold as purely cosmetic, and there wasn't really an agenda to it.

Something I seriously don't understand is, if body dysmorphia is the cause of this (feeling disgust at your body and that it doesnt match your mental image of how you think you should be), shouldn't people who transition without body dysmorphia ironically get it after cutting off their tits or dick? From what I see of a lot of detransitioners, there are a lot of problems that seem to mirror this, and immense regret and body issues that follow them throughout life following this.



I peaked when I realized that they were basically the same as furries, except much more entitled and with a victim complex.

Oh believe me, I've been well disabused of any possible misconceptions I might've once had about this. I'm talking like, 10 plus years ago, when I was pretty much still a normie, that was how I thought about tranny shit back then. And 10 plus years ago it hadn't been shoved into the mainstream yet either. These days I think it should be banned out of existence, at a bare minimum.

 

[Ser Prize]

Many of the people who post in the tranny threads aren't here to demonize trans people. They found their way here because it's one of the only places to talk openly about the trans elephant in the room.

Kindness and understanding mean jack shit once you witness the effects of institutional capture by the trans lobby.

Kindness and empathy are reserved for those who aren't telling kiddos it's a great idea to castrate yourself because you had fun playing with a dollhouse. For those who don't look at troubled teens and young adults and tell them the solution is embracing a mental illness as an identity.

Those people deserve better. That's why I have no empathy nor kindness for trannies and their advocates.

 

[ThatsaBigBitch]

I‘ve waffled a bit as to whether to post about this as others have because it could become a huge PL but I‘ll keep details vague enough.

Share this shit or ask me about it on main and I will delete the entire account for privacy reasons

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

And honestly? Some of these trannies deserved it. Idk about the kids tho

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[gang weeder]

I‘ve waffled a bit as to whether to post about this as others have because it could become a huge PL but I‘ll keep details vague enough.

Share this shit unspoiled or ask me about it on main and I will delete the entire account for privacy reasons

You all should google Michael Pucker, L & W, Gigi Pritzker, Jennifer Pritzker, Penny Pritzker, and the NCTE.

Pucker: corporate attorney and head of venture capital including a portfolio with consoomer things like low carb, beyond meat, meal delivery companies, as well as

He is also the darling of a law firm that defended one of the largest opioid distributors in the nation and also … sucks gock

JB Pritzker: hambeast BIL to Pucker through his wife, Gigi Pritzker. Also Illinois Governor who is known for sucking gock:
Tranny ids
Idk other troon shit
Twitter fagging 1
Twitter fagging 2

Jennifer Pritzker: hambeast TrOOn BIL to Pucker also. PW: James Nicholas Pritzker
Very clearly bullying his family into throating girldick. Also dramatic military ex trumper

Idk but I‘m sure the rest of this blog is a lil crackpot and I don‘t cosign it but this article captures the broader points minus the lugenpress vibes idc for

TL;DR: There may be a cultural revolution on the horizon but if enough people sue a couple of billionaires will put that shit out like they did the entire opioid epidemic likely using their pet multi-billion dollar law firm

And honestly? Some of these trannies deserved it. Idk about the kids tho

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Corrupt elites are sucking money out of the "trans industry" faster than a meth hooker drains a dick? What a shocker. I cannot believe this is happening, I never would have imagined it.

 

[jorgoth]

Only male to (((female))) gender transition should be allowed, and should be mandatory for niggers and faggots.

 

[AnOminous]

This sort of misdirection serves little purpose. It is a mental illness, one that is being enabled by the state and small, but influential social and political groups. I don't need to understand how their minds operate to understand that they are harming themselves and harming others by their actions. Being mentally unsound doesn't remove responsibility for actions, it only explains the apparent motivation for those actions.

Legitimate gender dysphoria requiring mental health treatment is a mental illness. Making up a bunch of bullshit and pretending to be a woman because you are trying to fit in with a bunch of groomers on twitter isn't mental illness, although troon recruiters know the mentally ill can often be converted by telling them trooning out will solve all their problems.

Also in relation to another post, letting children on the Internet unsupervised is like letting a 10 year old go to an all-ages show hosted by NAMBLA.

 

[ABE LINN COHN]

Also in relation to another post, letting children on the Internet unsupervised is like letting a 10 year old go to an all-ages show hosted by NAMBLA.

You know everybody always says "the parents should monitor what their children do" but when the parents actually do that they get called "overbearing" or "helicopter parents". It's not like you can supervise everything your kid does anyway, at some point they're going to be unsupervised and do something behind their parent's back.

 

[KateHikes14]

You know everybody always says "the parents should monitor what their children do" but when the parents actually do that they get called "overbearing" or "helicopter parents". It's not like you can supervise everything your kid does anyway, at some point they're going to be unsupervised and do something behind their parent's back.

Yes, groomers get mad when you protect their prey (your children) from them. This should not be surprising.

 

[AnOminous]

You know everybody always says "the parents should monitor what their children do" but when the parents actually do that they get called "overbearing" or "helicopter parents". It's not like you can supervise everything your kid does anyway, at some point they're going to be unsupervised and do something behind their parent's back.

They should have at least some idea what they're doing online. That doesn't necessarily mean every single line. But you should definitely be aware if they're turning into troons or furfags or something horrible like that.

 

[gang weeder]

If your kid is looking at troon shit helicopter parenting is justified.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Its not so much about helicopter parenting insofar as you should generally know your kids friends groups, who they hang out with, generally who they may be talking to, etc. You do have to trust your kids at some point, have to trust that youve raised them to make sensible decisions and adequately warned them of the dangers out there, etc. Make sure to teach them how the internet works, thats your most important thing, and dangers like the troons.

You dont want to be a helicopter parent because your kids will turn out far too sheltered, you dont want to just ban the internet because its an essential part of life and you dont want your kids to be completely socially inane, but you should have limitations on it. Its like the notion from a decade ago that we somehow forgot about how you wernt to give your child a mobile till they were maybe in the middle of highschool.

Youre not going to want to monitor every interaction your kids have, but you want to have an open relationship with them and check in occasionally after teaching them the rules of the web.

Did you have to know what your kids are doing 24/7 before the internet? No. Should you have a general knowledge of how they are doing, or if they started hanging out with a bad influence like a druggie? Absolutely.

Take an interest in your kids lives. Parents fail by completely ignoring their kids online lives or treating it like a completely personal and separate thing and then act surprised when "they got groomed out of nowhere"

 

[gang weeder]

Its not so much about helicopter parenting insofar as you should generally know your kids friends groups, who they hang out with, generally who they may be talking to, etc. You do have to trust your kids at some point, have to trust that youve raised them to make sensible decisions and adequately warned them of the dangers out there, etc. Make sure to teach them how the internet works, thats your most important thing, and dangers like the troons.

You dont want to be a helicopter parent because your kids will turn out far too sheltered, you dont want to just ban the internet because its an essential part of life and you dont want your kids to be completely socially inane, but you should have limitations on it. Its like the notion from a decade ago that we somehow forgot about how you wernt to give your child a mobile till they were maybe in the middle of highschool.

Youre not going to want to monitor every interaction your kids have, but you want to have an open relationship with them and check in occasionally after teaching them the rules of the web.

Did you have to know what your kids are doing 24/7 before the internet? No. Should you have a general knowledge of how they are doing, or if they started hanging out with a bad influence like a druggie? Absolutely.

Take an interest in your kids lives. Parents fail by completely ignoring their kids online lives or treating it like a completely personal and separate thing and then act surprised when "they got groomed out of nowhere"

I think a big issue here is simple generational change. For me growing up, I was addicted to the Internet, but my parents were already well into middle age before its use really became commonplace, so they barely understood it and had little to no interest in it. Thus, they really had no idea what I was doing on there. They knew enough to know that I wasn't looking at porn and that was good enough for them. When I have kids I will have grown up having used the Internet as a kid myself so I'll actually know and have interest in that technology when they are using it too.

 

[The Ugly One]

You don't have to call them "your people." You can just be gay and not affiliate with any of the retarded pride movements that try to normalize hypersexuality and pedophilia.

On another note, I'm currently MATI for the way that impressionable kids are being given unsupervised access to the internet. It's obvious that the rise of troonery is caused by young confused teens being bombarded with propaganda on Twitter and Reddit. But what can anybody do? Most parents are unable to police what their children are exposed to online, and nobody seems concerned about this very real issue. These kids are growing up with completely warped views of reality. I feel for the parents who are worried about their child's safety online but lack the ability to do anything about it.

The trans community refuses to see anything wrong with this, of course, despite the fact that by their own admission living a trans life is full of nothing but hardship and discrimination. Instead of being responsible adults and warning these kids that trooning out has serious lifelong ramifications, they squeal with delight, furiously jerk their girldicks, and shower them with praise and encouragement.

It's getting harder to police the internet because "normal" and "safe" stuff like Twitch and Discord are used for tranny grooming. Trannies have infiltrated everything and made it policy that being against grooming is transphobic, so if anything is

a) oriented toward kids and
b) host to user-generated content

then it's gonna be used for grooming in full view of whoever owns and operates the thing.

 

[Piss Bear]

Well to some degree yes, but it wouldn’t be this way, if society hadn’t conditioned so many people to feel ashamed for being themselves for so long, as corny as that may sound. Again in regards to their point, if Transgenderism is a mental illness like you say, aren’t you technically blaming them for something that they didn’t choose and they they have little to no control over. Taht really didn’t fair and these people really would benefit from people trying to understand them and giving them a helping hand. It’s very easy for you to say they’re all insane from the view of a non-trans person. But let’s one day their was some karmic force that transformed you and everyone else into a trans men or women, I guarantee you’d probably behave the exact same way to those you mock,

Its the same equivalent with any mental illness, for example we may be quick to judge the behavioof a schizophrenic, but you don’t have the same condition as them so how could you possibly understand how their minds operate. It’s an incredible cliche, but take a mile walk in these peoples shoes and I’m sure you wouldn’t be as critical.

Trans people have gender dysphoria. That is the mental illness. Their body is fine but their minds are not.

PL to prove a point, but I have had several different forms of dysphoria throughout my life and the dysphoria was never made better by feeding into it; it was made better by proving it wrong and the dysphoria would get weaker and weaker over time.

For example I was anorexic for a period of time, because I had body dysphoria. Of course my body was normal if not just a bit underweight, and it took many years to come to terms with my body but I’m glad I didn’t join some pro-anorexia group to try and feed into my disorder. I am better off for fighting against the dysphoria and I came out on top and more self-confident.

I know it’s hard, but I think gender dysphoric people need to do the same. Therapy will help. It’s not “gender conversion therapy,” it’s literally just helping you come to terms with your biological sex, even if your mind is actively fighting against that. The human mind can be fucked up and actively try to destroy the body, that’s what therapists are there for.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Transgenderism didn't exist significantly before the 1900s. It's a modern, culture bound phenomenon.

Its prominence now is a result of modern societal quirks in response to the internet and mass media.

Now, gender nonconforming behavior always existed, from just having different hobbies, to drag and homosexuality.

But specifically transgenderism (and transsexualism before it) is a very recent, artificial phenomenon.

I’m sorry but this Is simply not true, Transgenderism has existed for as long as modern humans had been around, It only seems that way because science and studies have advanced to the point where we can accurately assess and determine relatively accurate data on the prevalence and numbers of trans people there are. Similar to any other condition, I.e Autism, Bipolar, Parkinson’s, ADD etc.

Notice that whenever there is a huge discovery in the field of studying a particular condition, the national data about the frequency of those affected increases exponentially That’s doesn’t mean that there has just suddenly been a huge rise In Cases, it is normally because there has been improvement in the validity of researching those afflicted so people who went previously undiagnosed are discovered to have it. With a few exceptions of course.

The recent trans movement is no doubt recent, but likely an equal amount of trans people have always existed throughout history, it just went by unnoticed due to the general hostility towards LGBT people and the historic harsh social standards society had for so many centuries. They were forced into secrecy through fear of public ridicule and being outcasts, which you could argue is still continuing to this day.