War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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With regards to the maiming of those Russian PoWs - obviously a warcrime, I'm not justifying it - I wonder what the thought process is:

If those Ukrianians do not have the means to detain those PoWs, or the means to send them elsewhere to be detain, perhaps they are opting to maim them so they can hand them back to the Russians knowing they won't be back fighting them anytime soon. That way, they are out of the fight, and they become a logistical burden on the Russians and not themselves.

While on paper it's a good idea, if you view this as a cold logical numbers game, further damaging trust between both sides on how PoWs are treated benefits noone. Although, let's be fair on Ukraine, Russia started it and has terrible form in this regard.
 
While on paper it's a good idea, if you view this as a cold logical numbers game, further damaging trust between both sides on how PoWs are treated benefits noone. Although, let's be fair on Ukraine, Russia started it and has terrible form in this regard.
Do we even have any knowledge as to how Ukrainian POWs are being treated? I somehow have my doubts it's any better.
 
You can start by presenting both sides. However, so far there's a slight slobber of Russian cock in the Happenings thread. AZOV NOM NOM TRANNIES NOM NOM BASED PUTIN.
Oh, but I did, and not with my snide opinion, but with footage from the location.Perhaps you should have produced something other than impotent rage with your gay dislikes, such as footage or images of orcish russians commiting atrosities?
 
The fact that they shot only the legs is rather generous.

I'm glad to see you being honest and acknowledging you support blatant war crimes against unarmed POW's. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

People defending their homeland from an invading aggressor aren't angels. News at 11.

It's a war crime to shoot unarmed POW's. That goes a step further than "not being an angel".

Lol why are you faggots so insistent on that being a thing that would have or could have ever gotten anywhere

It wasn't reported on because it was desperate and autistic as fuck.

Umm...you might want to catch up on the newer details that have come out recently. Turns out there really was an active plot to bury the story. That doesn't make Trump a good guy, he's still a turd. But he was right that they were burying the story and lying about it being some "Russian propaganda pieces", and they knew it form day one. That's the story.

So let's focus on the big picture, you're missing the forest for the woods, so to speak.

I don't necessarily disagree, and it's important that everything is taken in context. But these are blatant war crimes, it's never ok to shoot unarmed POW's and the fact that this story is being buried in mainstream media is the problem. The correct response is to come out loudly and vocally condeming this behavior and arresting the people who did it. If the Ukrainian government does not do that, then it shows they support the commission of war crimes. In fact, I think it's important that we find out what happened to these POW's after they were shot, don't you? Were they left on the side of the road to bleed out? Are they still alive somewhere? This is a story that needs to be told.

most people will quite rightly, and unironically, say "serves them right".

Shooting unarmed, handcuffed POW's is not something most people will support. I think most people see for what it is. If you look at that and think "serves them right" then you have no moral standing on this issue.
 
The worst part is that retards are now going to be posting this video everywhere as justification for what Russia is doing. I'm already seeing it on Twitter

Hey faggots: The UN estimates that around a thousand Ukrainian civilians have died as a result of this conflict. The real number is likely far higher than that

I feel bad for the teenage Russians that are being forced into this war but the Ukrainians have every right to be upset. It's easy for you to complain about the cruelties of war shitposting from behind your desk
 
That doesn't make Trump a good guy, he's still a turd.
This ought to be amusing, because I'm betting you can't actually name a bad thing he's done that's not hyperbole. I wonder why you chose to bring this up, as if you needed to clear the air you're not a dirty Trump supporter just in case a majority of us happen to be Democrats?
 
You can start by presenting both sides. However, so far there's a slight slobber of Russian cock in the Happenings thread. AZOV NOM NOM TRANNIES NOM NOM BASED PUTIN.
No there isn't, you just think there is. Still waiting on the quote of me being a Russian stooge and/or hypocrite. If anything there's more genuine discussion of both sides in there than in here, and that's coming from a fucking loser who has read every single post in both of the Happenings threads.
The worst part is that retards are now going to be posting this video everywhere as justification for what Russia is doing. I'm already seeing it on Twitter

Hey faggots: The UN estimates that around a thousand Ukrainian civilians have died as a result of this conflict. The real number is likely far higher than that

I feel bad for the teenage Russians that are being forced into this war but the Ukrainians have every right to be upset. It's easy for you to complain about the cruelties of war shitposting from behind your desk
Yeah I guarantee that is being used in Russian circles to further justify what they're doing and to motivate Russian soldiers to never surrender. It's one of the justifications the US uses for taking the annoying high road so often.
I mean frankly they should at least have not fucking recorded them doing it, holy shit.
 
With regards to the maiming of those Russian PoWs - obviously a warcrime, I'm not justifying it - I wonder what the thought process is:

If those Ukrianians do not have the means to detain those PoWs, or the means to send them elsewhere to be detain, perhaps they are opting to maim them so they can hand them back to the Russians knowing they won't be back fighting them anytime soon. That way, they are out of the fight, and they become a logistical burden on the Russians and not themselves.

While on paper it's a good idea, if you view this as a cold logical numbers game, further damaging trust between both sides on how PoWs are treated benefits noone. Although, let's be fair on Ukraine, Russia started it and has terrible form in this regard.
I wouldn't exactly justify it either, but I understand the reasoning of the Ukrainian. This is an Existential War for them, they have at this point entered the state of Total War. Their hatred for Russian, any Russian, is undeniable at this point, all sort of sympathy for the Russian have been thrown out of the window when the Russian clearly showed they will do everything in their disposal to win this war, even if that includes the complete destruction of Ukraine as a state and nation
The worst part is that retards are now going to be posting this video everywhere as justification for what Russia is doing. I'm already seeing it on Twitter

Hey faggots: The UN estimates that around a thousand Ukrainian civilians have died as a result of this conflict. The real number is likely far higher than that

I feel bad for the teenaged Russians that are being forced into this war but the Ukrainians have every right to be upset. It's easy for you to complain about the cruelties of war shitposting from behind your desk
Coupled that with Biden's fuck up by saying "Regime Change", now Putin have the justification to started drafting conscripts. This war will get worsen for both sides
 
The worst part is that retards are now going to be posting this video everywhere as justification for what Russia is doing. I'm already seeing it on Twitter

Hey faggots: The UN estimates that around a thousand Ukrainian civilians have died as a result of this conflict. The real number is likely far higher than that

I feel bad for the teenage Russians that are being forced into this war but the Ukrainians have every right to be upset. It's easy for you to complain about the cruelties of war shitposting from behind your desk
Imagine caring about what retards on Twitter think. It's the same group of people who think seeing one nazi flag in a trucker rally makes all truckers nazis or that black people are being genocided daily by cops, which is insanely retarded.

Regardless of that, yes, both sides commit war crimes. But - If you don't have the moral fortitude to think shooting POWs regardless of what nation they represent is wrong? Well, shit nigga, you need to take a breather and learn empathy or something, lol.
 
because I'm betting you can't actually name a bad thing he's done that's not hyperbole.

He had an opportunity to pardon Snowden. He claimed to be fighting the deep state, and yet he wasted the opportunity to send a clear message that the US intelligence community - the same one that actively sabotaged him no less, was not above being held accountable. We know what they were doing was illegal, and we have evidence thanks to Snowden, and yet Trump completely shit the bed. Instead, he let Kwame Kilpatrick off lol, one of the most corrupt politicians ever.

That showed me everything I needed to know about how serious he was about "The Deep State". It was all a con he used to get elected. At the end of the day, he didn't dismantle a fucking thing.

Also, Trump surrounded himself with some of the most incompetent people I've ever seen, who consistently shot themselves in the foot. Yes, the establishment fought him from day one, but he was in power for 4 years and accomplished....what exactly?

Now, back on topic please.
 
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No there isn't, you just think there is. Still waiting on the quote of me being a Russian stooge and/or hypocrite. If anything there's more genuine discussion of both sides in there than in here, and that's coming from a fucking loser who has read every single post in both of the Happenings threads.
I was in the other thread as well and it was overwhelmingly pro-Putin, don't lie. Criticism of Putin was met with "Zelenskyy shill" this and "Zelenskyy shill" that. By the very logic of the people who said as much in those threads, their own opinion on the matter is indeed Putin shilling.
He had an opportunity to pardon Snowden. He claimed to be fighting the deep state, and yet he wasted the opportunity to send a clear message that the US intelligence community - the same one that actively sabotaged him no less, was not above being held accountable. We know what they were doing was illegal, and we have evidence thanks to Snowden, and yet Trump completely shit the bed. Instead, he let Kwame Kilpatrick off lol, one of the most corrupt politicians ever.

That showed be everything I needed to know about how serious he was about "The Deep State". It was all a con he used to get elected. At the end of the day, he didn't dismantle a fucking thing.

Also, Trump surrounded himself with some of the most incompetent people I've ever seen, who consistently shot themselves in the foot. Yes, the establishment fought him from day one, but he was in power for 4 years and accomplished....what exactly?
Started formation of the Southern border wall, started the Keystone pipeline, lowered taxes, deregulation, got South and North Korean leaders to meet for peace talks, destroyed ISIS, drone struck Qasem Soleimani, started procedures to withdraw from Afghanistan, ect.

His meager failures don't obliterate his successes.

You do know that he's filing a lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, yes? It's not over.
 
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Nobody in a sound mind would justify it but it's just so tiresome to see edgy retards go all day and all night hamming it up and posting their cringy Russian vids and parroting shit about globohomo and whatever the fuck, all the while raging and seething and malding about the Ukrainian state and Ukrainians.

The moment they see the opposing side showing cruelty, as it often happens in war, all these shitbag human beings now shrill "you see? You see? Sleepy Joe is leading us to a war REEEEEE let's pull support for Ukrainians and help those poor widdle Wussians".
 
I was in the other thread as well and it was overwhelmingly pro-Putin, don't lie. Criticism of Putin was met with "Zelenskyy shill" this and "Zelenskyy shill" that. By the very logic of the people who said as much in those threads, their own opinion on the matter is indeed Putin shilling.
What are you talking about, Russia is clearly acting in self defense by turning Mariupol into a second Dresden.
 
Nobody in a sound mind would justify it but it's just so tiresome to see edgy retards go all day and all night hamming it up and posting their cringy Russian vids and parroting shit about globohomo and whatever the fuck, all the while raging and seething and malding about the Ukrainian state and Ukrainians.

The moment they see the opposing side showing cruelty, as it often happens in war, all these shitbag human beings now shrill "you see? You see? Sleepy Joe is leading us to a war REEEEEE let's pull support for Ukrainians and help those poor widdle Wussians".
Who are you quoting? @ them or share the quote with the rest of the class. Who are you fucking talking about? Are these "shitbag human beings" in the room with us right now?
 
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Who are you quoting? @ them or share the quote with the rest of the class. Who are you fucking talking about? Are these "shitbag human beings" in the room with us right now?
lol dude this is like the 10th time you shouted aloud “WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT” in both here and the pro Putin version of the thread.
 
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