Feb 28, 2022 - Chris transferred to another facility

[LordHaveMercy]

That is a nifty example of the way Chris’s brain works.

God knows which thread it's buried in, but there was a really nice conversation that touched on the point that Chris can both be aware that he made something up, and still believe it to be true.
Whereas most would know "I made this up in my head, therefore it's fiction, thus it's not real", Chris doesn't try to seperate these things out, he doesn't try to convince himself he didn't make it up, because to him, making something up and it being real aren't mutually exclusive.
He can decide today that Coke gives him Sonichu energy, and to him, that means the Manna from the bible was and always has been cola flavoured.
I suspect him lacking the ability to grasp abstract concepts like time greatly aids in this complete lack of understanding, but there are plenty more elements at play here too.
This explains so much of his behaviour, as well as why he was so easily manipulated by the idea guys. Even if he knew they were just making shit up, to him this wouldn't have been relevant. "Why does it matter who made it up, Sonichu is still hurting!"

 

[Cockadoodle85]

God knows which thread it's buried in, but there was a really nice conversation that touched on the point that Chris can both be aware that he made something up, and still believe it to be true.
Whereas most would know "I made this up in my head, therefore it's fiction, thus it's not real", Chris doesn't try to seperate these things out, he doesn't try to convince himself he didn't make it up, because to him, making something up and it being real aren't mutually exclusive.
He can decide today that Coke gives him Sonichu energy, and to him, that means the Manna from the bible was and always has been cola flavoured.
I suspect him lacking the ability to grasp abstract concepts like time greatly aids in this complete lack of understanding, but there are plenty more elements at play here too.
This explains so much of his behaviour, as well as why he was so easily manipulated by the idea guys. Even if he knew they were just making shit up, to him this wouldn't have been relevant. "Why does it matter who made it up, Sonichu is still hurting!"

Everyone makes up shit in their own head that they believe even if not to an extent chris does.

 

[TayandYou]

Everyone makes up shit in their own head that they believe even if not to an extent chris does.

Key point being to an extent lol, Chris has no self control and his make-believe fantasies took over his life

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

He calls them "theoretical exes". He understands they weren't real, but because he imagined it was real, then the relationship was real in the same way CWCville is real.

there is nothing theoretical about this

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Wouldn't count on it. While it has been established that Chris clearly isn't a pedophile (i.e. doesn't actively seek out children/underage teenagers), I would argue that if given a chance, he would still (try to) commit statutory rape/molestation. Just like with incest he knows that it's something you shouldn't do (age limit on the attraction sign), but at the same time, he's likely unable to grasp why he shouldn't do it. So if an opportunity presented itself (underage Fiona situation, a slow-in-the-mind, somebody confined with him), he would very likely come onto them. Since he's unable to comprehend possible repercussions for his actions, his impulses and need for instant gratification would overdrive whatever little self-control he has. We have seen time and time again that he has no problem forcing himself onto females, even after being told not to and doesn't know why it's wrong to do so. For this reason, I seriously doubt Chris would suddenly conjure up a moral compass or be able to control himself if an opportunity of some 16-year-old china presented itself.

Barb is such a unique situation that I don't think the incest saga tells us anything about possible re-offense with others. All of Chris's other past behavior is valid is cause of concern if left alone with a minor or something, but Barb is just different. They spent a decade alone basically 24/7 together and she's suspected of pushing boundaries of inappropriate intimacy with Chris for years. The distance between the status quo and incest was gradually shortening for years. This does not absolve Chris of responsibility for the charges against him, but the relationship with barb was so weird that I don't think it's useful to apply to other, theoretical women. A one to one situation would be if someone left Chris alone to babysit a child regularly and encouraged them to spoon during that time which will not happen.

God knows which thread it's buried in, but there was a really nice conversation that touched on the point that Chris can both be aware that he made something up, and still believe it to be true.
Whereas most would know "I made this up in my head, therefore it's fiction, thus it's not real", Chris doesn't try to seperate these things out, he doesn't try to convince himself he didn't make it up, because to him, making something up and it being real aren't mutually exclusive.
He can decide today that Coke gives him Sonichu energy, and to him, that means the Manna from the bible was and always has been cola flavoured.
I suspect him lacking the ability to grasp abstract concepts like time greatly aids in this complete lack of understanding, but there are plenty more elements at play here too.
This explains so much of his behaviour, as well as why he was so easily manipulated by the idea guys. Even if he knew they were just making shit up, to him this wouldn't have been relevant. "Why does it matter who made it up, Sonichu is still hurting!"

I'm being pedantic here, but I think it's important and central to Chris's behavior. I think that the issue isn't the knowledge of reality versus fantasy, it's just that Chris doesn't think it matters. Chris knows that certain things make happy feelings inside and one of those things is imagining sonichu's world. Seeking to just maximize short term enjoyment in a depressing real-life situation, Chris will just keep picking fantasy and make-believe even as it makes real life worse and worse. I think of it as almost an addiction to fantasy

 

[FinnSven]

Chris knows that certain things make happy feelings inside and one of those things is imagining sonichu's world. Seeking to just maximize short term enjoyment in a depressing real-life situation, Chris will just keep picking fantasy and make-believe even as it makes real life worse and worse. I think of it as almost an addiction to fantasy

Could that be because on some level, maybe more consciously than we realize, Chris knows his life sucks and he is basically a joke of a person?

When he was hanging out at that nightclub and seemed to be friendly with some people who reacted positively to him, but that could have ceased when he started to realize that other people were more accomplished than him.

Perhaps he became aware people there were coming to understand he is basically an overgrown child.
I mean we all know losers in bars who are fun out in the pub or in the club, but no one envies their life.

Gradually people get sick of them, move to just tolerating them, before actively avoiding them.

Perhaps Chris had some kind of moment of insight, or overheard people talking about him in the toilets or something.

I say this because it was pretty much straight after this the idea guys really took hold and he became worse than he had been before.
If he was feeling vulnerable and betrayed or reeling from realization, then he would have been even more susceptible and wanting a world of fantasy.
Especially one in which he is the savior of mankind.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Wouldn't count on it. While it has been established that Chris clearly isn't a pedophile (i.e. doesn't actively seek out children/underage teenagers), I would argue that if given a chance, he would still (try to) commit statutory rape/molestation. Just like with incest he knows that it's something you shouldn't do (age limit on the attraction sign), but at the same time, he's likely unable to grasp why he shouldn't do it. So if an opportunity presented itself (underage Fiona situation, a slow-in-the-mind, somebody confined with him), he would very likely come onto them. Since he's unable to comprehend possible repercussions for his actions, his impulses and need for instant gratification would overdrive whatever little self-control he has. We have seen time and time again that he has no problem forcing himself onto females, even after being told not to and doesn't know why it's wrong to do so. For this reason, I seriously doubt Chris would suddenly conjure up a moral compass or be able to control himself if an opportunity of some 16-year-old china presented itself.

That's true, but I don't think he'd actively chase someone under 18. Maybe a 16 or 17 y/o who came on to him, sure, but what are the odds of that?

And even if something happened it's only a misdemeanor in Virginia, unless you were in a supervisory role, and usually only gets a slap on the wrist. Or he could just go to a state where it's legal, which is most of the states around Virginia.

 

[King Kiwi]

there is nothing theoretical about this
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For someone who is an all-knowing God, he sure couldn't predict he'd be in the crazy hut.

Past, present and future indeed.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

For someone who is an all-knowing God, he sure couldn't predict he'd be in the crazy hut.

Past, present and future indeed.

his mind's eye was too focused on the particulars

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

Could that be because on some level, maybe more consciously than we realize, Chris knows his life sucks and he is basically a joke of a person?

When he was hanging out at that nightclub and seemed to be friendly with some people who reacted positively to him, but that could have ceased when he started to realize that other people were more accomplished than him.

Perhaps he became aware people there were coming to understand he is basically an overgrown child.
I mean we all know losers in bars who are fun out in the pub or in the club, but no one envies their life.

Gradually people get sick of them, move to just tolerating them, before actively avoiding them.

Perhaps Chris had some kind of moment of insight, or overheard people talking about him in the toilets or something.

I say this because it was pretty much straight after this the idea guys really took hold and he became worse than he had been before.
If he was feeling vulnerable and betrayed or reeling from realization, then he would have been even more susceptible and wanting a world of fantasy.
Especially one in which he is the savior of mankind.

I don't know it for sure, but this is almost exactly what I think is really happening. The only difference is that I don't think there was a "moment of insight." Chris obviously has some sort of significant mental handicap and I think it prevents this sort of self-reflection. However, Chris does feel the results just the same as anyone else.

"I imagine sonichu and I feel happy."

"I go to a bar and I have fun... but something feels wrong. I don't know what it is but I feel kinda shitty when I get home again."

I think Chris only sees things in this direct input -> output way and lacks the understanding of the in-between steps. Even without internet infamy, first meetings with new social groups are usually slightly awkward and unpleasant to normal people. Not always, but introducing yourself and engaging in small talk isn't usually unqualified fun. Most people, however, understand implicitly that initial awkwardness is an investment in stronger future social bonds. Chris lacks the social skills to grasp that.

Thinking as I type, it could have gone a long way if Barb or Bob told him that explicitly. "Son, to make friends, you have to meet people and show interest in their lives and show up to things. Think of it like a video game quest where you level up your friendship." To a non-autistic person, it feels jarring to frame social life like that, but it's because we all pick up on it naturally. That's probably the kind of help Chris was denied early in life.

 

[Ophelia]

his mind's eye was too focused on the particulars
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Whatever mental handicaps he has, people with them should not be watching porn.

Thinking as I type, it could have gone a long way if Barb or Bob told him that explicitly. "Son, to make friends, you have to meet people and show interest in their lives and show up to things. Think of it like a video game quest where you level up your friendship." To a non-autistic person, it feels jarring to frame social life like that, but it's because we all pick up on it naturally. That's probably the kind of help Chris was denied early in life.

I’m told this is how some people on the spectrum figure out social relationships. Maybe not as a video game, but they find some way to conceptualize how interactions work. It sometimes reads as fake, but they’re trying.

 

[Cockadoodle85]

his mind's eye was too focused on the particulars
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm which one of those acts did he do with barb I wonder hmmmmmm

 

[JanuaryViolet]

he understood that using pepper spray will give him consequences so in his mind he thought what if I replace it with a baseball bat

And he wouldn't also associate using a bat on someone with assault. Because it's not pepper spray. When his target got it away from him (because this is what would happen), the person could do some serious damage to him, because anyone could beat the crap out of him without even trying hard. I'm kind of surprised that never happened.

 

[GypsyBard]

And he wouldn't also associate using a bat on someone with assault. Because it's not pepper spray. When his target got it away from him (because this is what would happen), the person could do some serious damage to him, because anyone could beat the crap out of him without even trying hard. I'm kind of surprised that never happened.

I think we all know that in the GameStop incident if Chris had a baseball bat instead of Mace he would have tried to swing at the guy and run away. He only associates the weapon with the act. So in his mind he got in trouble for using pepper spray so he switched it up to a different weapon. And before the pepper spray he had a knife which he only got rid of because he accidentally cut himself one day.
So essentially he went from using a knife which he got rid of because he realized the potential consequence of that was cutting himself to pepper spray which he got rid of because he realized the consequence to using that is he will get arrested to using a baseball bat. If Chris somehow got in trouble for using the baseball bat he would have moved to a different weapon. He does not associate the consequences of his actions the same way we do. For instance I know that if I hit somebody with a baseball bat or a hammer or even pepper spray I will get arrested for assault. But much like the cat in my earlier scenario that jumps on the furniture so you spray it and it just moves to a different piece of furniture Chris simply moves to a different weapon thinking the result would be different. The cat does not understand that if it gets on any piece of furniture it will get sprayed. It only associates specific actions with specific consequences. So it thinks if I jump on the couch I will get sprayed if I jump on that chair I will get sprayed so what if I jump on this other chair. Chris is exactly the same way with weapons.

It is because of this I believe he is genuinely a danger to himself and others. He simply did not learn that assault is wrong he only learned that assaulting someone with certain types of weapons is wrong.

 

[RodgerDodger]

That's true, but I don't think he'd actively chase someone under 18. Maybe a 16 or 17 y/o who came on to him, sure, but what are the odds of that?

And even if something happened it's only a misdemeanor in Virginia, unless you were in a supervisory role, and usually only gets a slap on the wrist. Or he could just go to a state where it's legal, which is most of the states around Virginia.

He would not knowingly or deliberately seek to fuck a child. But I don’t think it would occur to him to ask age, check ID, or say no, if China was in the picture.

 

[AnOminous]

He would not knowingly or deliberately seek to fuck a child. But I don’t think it would occur to him to ask age, check ID, or say no, if China was in the picture.

The idea that this fucking retard could tell the difference between a 12 year old claiming to be 21 and a 21 year old claiming to be 12 is nonsensical.

 

[LordofCringe7206]

The idea that this fucking retard could tell the difference between a 12 year old claiming to be 21 and a 21 year old claiming to be 12 is nonsensical.

Case in point: him thinking BlueSpike was really a girl despite him having a voice that obviously belonged to a teenage boy.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Case in point: him thinking BlueSpike was really a girl despite him having a voice that obviously belonged to a teenage boy.

And his efforts were rewarded with a video of an overweight autistic man having sex with a blow up doll. I hope it was worth it.

 

[The Dude]

God knows which thread it's buried in, but there was a really nice conversation that touched on the point that Chris can both be aware that he made something up, and still believe it to be true.
Whereas most would know "I made this up in my head, therefore it's fiction, thus it's not real", Chris doesn't try to seperate these things out, he doesn't try to convince himself he didn't make it up, because to him, making something up and it being real aren't mutually exclusive.
He can decide today that Coke gives him Sonichu energy, and to him, that means the Manna from the bible was and always has been cola flavoured.
I suspect him lacking the ability to grasp abstract concepts like time greatly aids in this complete lack of understanding, but there are plenty more elements at play here too.
This explains so much of his behaviour, as well as why he was so easily manipulated by the idea guys. Even if he knew they were just making shit up, to him this wouldn't have been relevant. "Why does it matter who made it up, Sonichu is still hurting!"

Chris has based his belief structure and understanding of reality on a seriously fucked up, misinformed understanding of multiverse theory coupled with his own childish wish fulfillment and power fantasies, because he's a mongoloid with the mind of an eight year old. When Chris hears that there could potentially be an infinite number of realities with an infinite number of outcomes that differ from our own reality, he doesn't understand that those variations between realities still would need to be grounded in the same fundamental truths as our reality.

So instead of thinking there are possible realities where the South won the Civil War, Nixon beat Kennedy, Tupac wasn't shot, or the Nazis won WWII and everyone speaks German now, Chris instead takes it to the extreme that he believes "Oh, hey! That must mean there's a reality where all my favorite cartoon characters are real and they're all my best friends and I'm not a pathetic tard who had to rape his mother to get laid!" He either doesn't understand or doesn't want to accept that since it's impossible for fictional characters in our reality, that would mean it's impossible for them to be real in any other reality that exists.

It's become part of his coping mechanism as much as anything else. In our reality Chris is one of the world's biggest losers. A bumblefuck laughingstock who has made a fool of himself time and time again, has been duped into doing humiliating things because he's gullible and naive, and who has had every embarrassing misstep documented to an obsessive degree for the world to laugh at. He has no power, no authority, no money, no respect, no life, and has spent his entire adult life as a shut-in who lives with his parents. Chris life is so shitty that even with his poor understanding of life around him and world view that has been horribly skewed by an overindulgence of pop culture, he is still able to recognize that the life he's lived has been pathetic and abnormal. So he copes by thinking "Well in this other reality I'm the most special and important person in the world and I have all the super powers ever and can beat down all the haters and bullies and Sonichu and Rosechu and all my favorite cartoon characters are my best friends and I get lots of hanky-panky sex times and I have all the toys that I want and..." to keep the crippling existential dread away.

 

[Manly_Brony]

What do you think his chances of survival will be in wherever he's going? He's a pudgy, sickly, delusional, stupid troon, not a hulking, intimidating psycho, even women could take care of him if he ends up in the female section. He's a walking heart attack. He can get stabbed, beaten to death or worse. Remember Hannibal Lecter manipulating Multiple Miggs into swallowing his own tongue? That isn't too far off since something like this could've happened with Bella Janke. Edmund Kemper (who is scarier than book or film Lecter because he combines his 145 IQ with towering height and enormous strength) told in an interview that he shared a prison block with the short, dumb and thoroughly annoying Herbert Mullin, another serial killer. The other inmates were constantly humiliating and catcalling Mullin and he retaliated with singing badly when they were watching TV. The guards were expecting a bloodbath. Kemper trained Mullin to behave with water and peanuts like a fucking puppy. Imagine what someone like him could do to Chris if he wasn't a model inmate/prisoner.