Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[behindyourightnow]

I find it ASTONISHING and blood-boiling that he has the gall to mock women who express concerns about troons invading women’s spaces. Yeah Oliver, you’re right, how very uptight and fussy that women object to male pervert rapists being housed alongside them or trying to date them. It’s really “deranged,” sure.

Not only is he still trying (and failing) to make a catchphrase from one of his terrible videos a meme, he is literally trying to make the phrase “women and girls” a punchline.

I’m sure that will work out well, Olly!

I am just a smol bean whomsdt has puter

I can so hear him saying this in his DERANGED live stream voice.

Yeahhhhhhhhhh. “Sexy stretch.” Yawn.

IYKYK

When he needs a way to brag about himself on Tumblr without seeming arrogant, he puts on the dumb out-of-date "smol bean" Tumblr voice. When he needs to actually interact with people on Tumblr who cannot offer him any career advancement, he goes right back to cold contempt.

Surely this is becoming noticeable to at least some of his fans.

 

[frap]

Not only is he still trying (and failing) to make a catchphrase from one of his terrible videos a meme, he is literally trying to make the phrase “women and girls” a punchline.

I’m sure that will work out well, Olly!

Never seen someone try so desperately to force a meme.

He's just bitter that he will never actually be one of the "wimmin and gahls" so he has to make us look like the deranged ones instead.

 

[narcissistic injury]

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/kill-james-bond-live-finale-no-time-to-die-tickets-293316386207

Doesn’t say sold out anymore… some fans backed out

 

[A Dark Day Indeed]

I love this schizo post: https://twitter.com/socialismtrain/status/1508981274060414980

https://archive.ph/xqLIh

What is the react for "lunacy, but based"?

 

[BroccoliBrain]

Alice can walk around in a sodding hijab in GLASGOW and be fine

I mean part of that is because he looks like a pasty fat sped 10 year old and sped kids are a protected class

 

[Excited Eraser]

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/kill-james-bond-live-finale-no-time-to-die-tickets-293316386207

Doesn’t say sold out anymore… some fans backed out

Maybe I'm late (cue the clock reactions) but this made me guffaw:

Kill James Bond are bringing their specific brand of feminist media analysis

Specific indeed.

 

[Dromedary]

Here's Olly casually trashing years of troon propaganda that "trans-affirming health care" is urgently needed and desperately vital and "life-saving". That gender dysphoria is crippling and deadly and deserves a lifetime of drugs and multiple surgeries courtesy of the taxpayers. Essential! Life-saving, desperately needed.

Pish-posh!, he giggles, girlishly. It's all about self-love. Autonomy. Me Time! Self-creation. Pampering. Becoming the fabulous woman one was meant to be! None of this gloomy-Gus talk about "negative outcomes" or "treatments" for"crippling dysphoria"
Those are for losers. (Makes actressy sad yet compassionate face).

Think of all the money the NHS and Medicaid will save when they realize these medications and surgeries aren't actually medically necessary or life-saving. They're about self-actualization, actually! Olly blew the lid off a big twans secret. It really is for pervy sexy kicks!

 

[Swimminglanes]

Does he realise he's gone out without his trousers on?

 

[Icterus]

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Did our dear Mr. Big shot philosopher somehow miss the fact that the philosophical consensus on the pursuit of happiness is, and has been since the dawn of civilization, that it's futile?

 

[Shotgun Badger]

Did our dear Mr. Big shot philosopher somehow miss the fact that the philosophical consensus on the pursuit of happiness is, and has been since the dawn of civilization, that it's futile?

Careful now, that sounds awfully close to that Philosophy talk I've been hearing about these days....

 

[The Jackal]

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Interesting. He seems also to admit that being trans isn't because of some innate need ("I'm a woman trapped in a male body") but just 'self-creation' (I feel like pretending to be a woman because it makes me happy"). Gender dysphoria is apparently not real - it's just a fun charade for him, not an intense feeling of psychological distress because he was forced to be a man.

Also: "we're people whose bodily autonomy deserves to be respected" - no one is questioning his bodily autonomy. I don't think (tell me if you disagree) that anyone on this thread is suggesting he doesn't have the right to wear dresses and make-up and fuck up his body with hormones and surgery if that's what he wants. What he actually wants is a change in social status: he insists on living in a world in which everyone pretends he's a beautiful woman and lets him piss all over women's toilet seats without questioning it.

 

[Tombigbee]

No surprise, but how insanely narcissistic to attach two “glamorous” photos of himself to those tweets. The obvious implication being, “behold, Abigail Thorn, the greatest creation and most ‘visible trans’ of all!”

 

[Excited Eraser]

He's already admitted in the past of not suffering from gender dysphoria so that's nothing new. Surely though this time he must have gone too far, does he realize that his claims imply there's nothing actually medical about 'transgenderness'? That completely contradicts all his crowing about 'trans healthcare' and the NHS! This is why I keep following Oliver though, you're never quite sure what insanity he comes up with next.

I just hope there's at least one of his tranny followers who does actually suffer greatly from gender dysphoria and calls him out on it. But the world (or rather twitter) is not nice like that.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Have we seen him post a recent photo since his surgery, aside from the video?

Perhaps he’s freaking over the pig nose chat..

It’s a stark contrast to other trans creators who are only too happy to do away with all evidence prior to /apparently flippant and not at all medically nessecary? surgery.

Major cringe that he attaches two vanity shots to what is ostensibly a civil rights humanitarian post- while casually trashing the ideological foundation of the only thing said group relies on the provision of.

Fucking hell Chubsta, leave trans people alone you are a true&honest danger to ‘um

 

[gmax alcremie]

I don't think (tell me if you disagree) that anyone on this thread is suggesting he doesn't have the right to wear dresses and make-up and fuck up his body with hormones and surgery if that's what he wants.

Hormones, sure, they're a fairly low cost treatment that doesn't egregiously fuck up one's health. Your body still functions - albeit some organ systems, most notably the reproductive, are negatively affected but not in a way that drains resources from the NHS.

Surgery... it's a tricky subject. Face stuff, sure, as long as public funds aren't being used. Breast augmentation/mastectomies? These are both well practiced surgeries with specific standards of care. I think the NHS covers mastectomies but not augmentation which is fairly consistent with what they would cover for everybody. Trans people get treated like everyone else, in fact just a tad more privileged because their mastectomy isn't as necessary as a cancer patient's.

For vaginoplasty&phalloplasty&metoidioplasty I would have agreed 100%, go ahead fuck up your body idc, before reading the SRS thread here. Now I'm torn because it horrifies me how each surgeon has secret techniques, there's no best practices or standards of care, people are pressured to stay quiet or even SUED if they have poor results, many end up with revision after revision until they're ghosted.

This is probably a more US problem than UK problem because more surgeons will do informed consent if you're paying tens of thousands... Basically, do we as a society at some point step in and say hey maybe we shouldn't do these experimental surgeries on any mentally ill patient that wants them. The cats probably out of the bag on this though, any attempt at restrictions on adults is too damaging politically. Tho it's hopeful that there are more laws protecting minors and hopefully with the laws, the medical societies will follow - just because something won't bring you to criminal court doesn't mean you're safe from civil.

Anyway sorry for the sperg out on this, I just get so sad seeing people w/ unnecessary catheters&ileostomies etc it's so pointless.

However because I'm a bit petty and Olly has annoyed me enough I'm eagerly awaiting the SRS arc so he can be a Real Girl just like us! (Tho I hope he won't have bad complications I won't go that far, just the dilating seems horrifying enough!)

 

[frap]

Surgery... it's a tricky subject. Face stuff, sure, as long as public funds aren't being used. Breast augmentation/mastectomies? These are both well practiced surgeries with specific standards of care. I think the NHS covers mastectomies but not augmentation which is fairly consistent with what they would cover for everybody. Trans people get treated like everyone else, in fact just a tad more privileged because their mastectomy isn't as necessary as a cancer patient's.

But trans mastectomies or augmentation aren’t necessary at all. They shouldn’t get anything beyond psychological treatment on the NHS. If they want more it should be self-funded. Affirmation is pure deluded luxury, not a medical necessity.

I follow a 30 year old mother coming out the other side of stage 3 cancer treatment and she and her surgeon had to fight to get her a double mastectomy because the NHS was initially only willing to give her a single. She had to trade the guarantee of reconstruction to get them both done, just to reduce the risk of the cancer returning and potentially killing her.

So I really have no sympathy at all for troons wanting their cosmetic procedures and titty skittles paid for by the public.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

I mock trannies and their jannies but god I've never seen someone who doesn't get it as much as Olly. And, gross, I wish I hadn't seen his flabby skinned chicken legs.

Hormones, sure, they're a fairly low cost treatment that doesn't egregiously fuck up one's health. Your body still functions - albeit some organ systems, most notably the reproductive, are negatively affected but not in a way that drains resources from the NHS.

Hard disagree. If not now, then later there will be scores of people keeling over from self-inflicted cardiovascular issues and osteoperosis from the hormones alone while we conveniently forget the cause. Post-menopausal women for example are a group that have actual treatable issues you can alleviate with HRT yet some smug Twitter troons armed with a Wikipedia article say this is selfish they get to have it just because they're old, Crystal Pepsi-Ann NEEDS it more than selfish normie women to affirm "her" axe wound and stop 41%ing. Both butchered men and women are gonna bitch and moan about their new "disabilities" in several years time. All of those extra hormones are gonna get pissed and flushed into the ocean, I don't wanna tinfoil but it will make the frogs gay.

But trans mastectomies or augmentation aren’t necessary at all. They shouldn’t get anything beyond psychological treatment on the NHS. If they want more it should be self-funded. Affirmation is pure deluded luxury, not a medical necessity.

I know a troon who is slightly old school and dysphoric, while he unironically smashes the women in his sports team despite being weakened by anorexia he's on the list to get the chop and will be getting implants. The man is a pallid corpse who won't pass no matter what with a ton of personal issues, getting pointless B cups (how do you even measure cup size on a man) and new genitalia even though he doesn't like sex and it won't fix his man face. If he pushes for it hard enough he might get his permanent five o' clock shadow lasered off on the NHS. None of this is necessary and his family borderline reject him because they want their son back. It's like watching a slow performance art inspired by David Lynch.

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

The reason more sensible trans activists emphasise transness as an inborn medical issue is that trans surgeries are otherwise solely cosmetic. I think they are, but if it's considered that way by insurance companies in countries like the US or by whoever decides what the NHS will cover in the UK (and Canada's equivalent too I assume) then there's no free/reduced price titty skittles, dick chops and arm sausages to hand out. Obviously Ollie has never felt anything approximating "gender dysphoria", but you can really see how this is just a big game to him now. If it's not about being in the "wrong" body, you're just doing it for shits and giggles, and all your ranting about the NHS having "segregated healthcare" goes out of the window. If it's cosmetic as you're clearly implying, it's not healthcare.

I'm starting to wonder about his plastic surgery, since he didn't feminise his face at all and I know we all found his choice to focus on his nose odd. Could it be that he just didn't want to, that he's not just ambivalent about, but happy with his masculine features? Would messing with his jaw or brow bone really be too far for him? It's one thing growing moobs but I feel like he's avoiding the more permanent stuff, which isn't bad, but I'm suspecting it's because he doesn't even want to look like a woman.

 

[The Jackal]

Oh, I absolutely agree he shouldn't get it free on the NHS. Fuck that.

For vaginoplasty&phalloplasty&metoidioplasty I would have agreed 100%, go ahead fuck up your body idc, before reading the SRS thread here. Now I'm torn because it horrifies me how each surgeon has secret techniques, there's no best practices or standards of care, people are pressured to stay quiet or even SUED if they have poor results, many end up with revision after revision until they're ghosted.

This is probably a more US problem than UK problem because more surgeons will do informed consent if you're paying tens of thousands... Basically, do we as a society at some point step in and say hey maybe we shouldn't do these experimental surgeries on any mentally ill patient that wants them. The cats probably out of the bag on this though, any attempt at restrictions on adults is too damaging politically. Tho it's hopeful that there are more laws protecting minors and hopefully with the laws, the medical societies will follow - just because something won't bring you to criminal court doesn't mean you're safe from civil.

In the case of the US, I think that's simply part of the wider problem of letting market forces dictate healthcare, and I don't see that changing any time soon. That said, I do concede that letting people with serious psychological problems pay someone to mess with their body can lead to some disturbing results.

Spoiler: Fucked up story

I once talked to a woman who really, really wanted to transform her face into a second vagina. Like, below her eyes there would be a fake vagina taking the place of her nose and mouth. She wouldn't be able to talk any more. She said she just wanted to meet a man who could accept her like that and live her life as his sex toy. She was willing to never see her family again or go out in public so she could live out this fantasy. She seemed very sincere about this.

Now maybe she'd never have gone through with it in the end, but she told me she'd actually found a plastic surgeon who was willing to do this procedure. Was she making it up? Perhaps, but she went into great detail about the exact method he came up with and it sounded pretty convincing to me. She didn't seem obviously mentally ill, but even if she were completely sane and willing, should cosmetic surgeons really be allowed to do this kind of stuff? Many people would say no, but many would also argue that it is ethically no different to a boob job or other cosmetic surgery. Should non-reconstructive cosmetic surgery be banned entirely? Perhaps it really isn't good for people. Then again, if someone really feels happier with a birthmark removed or a slightly smaller nose, should they not be entitled to such treatment?

We already know that TRAs want children to have access to these treatments and that really does worry me.

 

[EverlyB]

Spoiler: Fucked up story

I once talked to a woman who really, really wanted to transform her face into a second vagina. Like, below her eyes there would be a fake vagina taking the place of her nose and mouth. She wouldn't be able to talk any more. She said she just wanted to meet a man who could accept her like that and live her life as his sex toy. She was willing to never see her family again or go out in public so she could live out this fantasy. She seemed very sincere about this. Now maybe she'd never have gone through with it in the end, but she told me she'd actually found a plastic surgeon who was willing to do this procedure. Was she making it up? Perhaps, but she went into great detail about the exact method he came up with and it sounded pretty convincing to me. She didn't seem obviously mentally ill, but even if she were completely sane and willing, should cosmetic surgeons really be allowed to do this kind of stuff? Many people would say no, but many would also argue that it is ethically no different to a boob job or other cosmetic surgery. Should non-reconstructive cosmetic surgery be banned entirely? Perhaps it really isn't good for people. Then again, if someone really feels happier with a birthmark removed or a slightly smaller nose, should they not be entitled to such treatment?

I think indicting all non-reconstructive cosmetic surgery is a step too far, because there is a difference between simply altering a feature to resemble a feature some people naturally have (e.g. smaller nose, less facial fat, more shapely breasts) and creating a wholly unnatural feature (e.g. a neovagina on a male body, a phallus out of arm skin, the horrific vagina face, breast implants on one's head).